RE: [Vo]:The Summer of ECat

2011-05-29 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:53 PM 5/27/2011, Alan J Fletcher wrote: At 04:52 PM 5/27/2011, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Cost to refuel is crucial. $5000 for 4800 hours run time is $1.04 per hour, or $0.41 per kWh, compared to $0.15 from my local power company. Is Defkalion losing money on every E-Cat but making up

Re: [Vo]:The Summer of ECat

2011-05-29 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:29 PM 5/28/2011, you wrote: Perhaps more important is the fact that a working E-cat means confirmation of a new source of energy. Once that is accepted many more people will start working on improving the output, as Jed has often said. The interesting thing to me is that this argument

Re: [Vo]:The Summer of ECat

2011-05-29 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:33 PM 5/28/2011, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Axil Axil's message of Fri, 27 May 2011 20:59:34 -0400: Hi, [snip] Not being a mills expert, how do we know the Mills effect is not nuclear? No radiation and/or transmustation? If the Mills effect is nuclear, then it also has to

Re: [Vo]:The Summer of ECat

2011-05-29 Thread Rich Murray
Is setting up a tinier Pt wire anode for your DPd codeposition going to delay your first attempt to try out your kit cell -- I am keenly interested in what turns up -- will you have a simultaneous control cell? -- there is a minute possibility that the cell could interact with neutral dark matter

Re: [Vo]:The Summer of ECat

2011-05-29 Thread mixent
In reply to Abd ul-Rahman Lomax's message of Sun, 29 May 2011 18:23:51 -0400: Hi, [snip] If the Mills effect is nuclear, then it also has to function in a gas/plasma (see some of Mills' early experiments with e.g. Sr, Ar.) Aw, geez, folks. No, CF doesn't function in a plasma. Period. My point

Re: [Vo]:The Summer of ECat

2011-05-29 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:39 PM 5/29/2011, Rich Murray wrote: Is setting up a tinier Pt wire anode for your DPd codeposition going to delay your first attempt to try out your kit cell -- I am keenly interested in what turns up -- will you have a simultaneous control cell? I originally planned to have a hydrogen

RE: [Vo]:The Summer of ECat

2011-05-28 Thread francis
Jones, I agree big business will eventually try to derail the E-cat and will probably have some initial success in doing so BUT will be unable to stem the piracy and proliferation among third world nations where the E-cats will evolve rapidly. Theory and safety will quickly fall

Re: [Vo]:The Summer of ECat

2011-05-28 Thread mixent
In reply to Abd ul-Rahman Lomax's message of Fri, 27 May 2011 19:52:05 -0400: Hi, [snip] Look, the obvious application for an E-Cat is for heating, if it's designed to heat water, and many heating systems do simply circulate water -- or steam -- for heating. So that's almost as efficient as

Re: [Vo]:The Summer of ECat

2011-05-28 Thread mixent
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Fri, 27 May 2011 20:59:34 -0400: Hi, [snip] Not being a mills expert, how do we know the Mills effect is not nuclear? No radiation and/or transmustation? If the Mills effect is nuclear, then it also has to function in a gas/plasma (see some of Mills' early

RE: [Vo]:The Summer of ECat

2011-05-27 Thread Jones Beene
Terry - The situation with E-Cat does seem a bit more hopeful than MAHG on the demonstration end, since Naudin made those silly measurement errors (still not fully corrected on his website) but the problem is looming for Rossi since there are legitimate doubts our there. I seldom refer to MAHG as

RE: [Vo]:The Summer of ECat

2011-05-27 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:38 PM 5/27/2011, Jones Beene wrote: Terry - The situation with E-Cat does seem a bit more hopeful than MAHG on the demonstration end, since Naudin made those silly measurement errors (still not fully corrected on his website) but the problem is looming for Rossi since there are legitimate

Re: [Vo]:The Summer of ECat

2011-05-27 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: It may be tough for LENR proponents to swallow, but they better start getting used to the likelihood that this Ni-H effect is NOT nuclear. As a long time proponent, let me say that I do not give a fart whether the Ni-H effect is nuclear or green cheese,

RE: [Vo]:The Summer of ECat

2011-05-27 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 04:52 PM 5/27/2011, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: The only guarantees will be for 4,800 hours run-time - which is a little over six months of continuous use, and a COP of at least six to one (over electrical input). The cost to refuel is unknown but the reactor is sealed, so it will likely be a

Re: [Vo]:The Summer of ECat

2011-05-27 Thread Axil Axil
Not being a mills expert, how do we know the Mills effect is not nuclear? No radiation and/or transmustation? On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: It may be tough for LENR proponents to swallow, but they better

RE: [Vo]:The Summer of ECat

2011-05-27 Thread Jones Beene
From: Jed Rothwell * It is hard to imagine any issue less important than whether it is nuclear or some sort of Mills effect, or something completely unknown. As long as it works, what difference does it make what it is? It could be more important than you realize. Fear of the unknown is

FW: RE: [Vo]:The Summer of ECat

2011-05-27 Thread francis
From: francis [mailto:froarty...@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 10:04 PM To: 'a...@lomaxdesign.com' Subject: RE: [Vo]:The Summer of ECat Abd, You just did the same thing as Jones in reverse by stating Pd-D is definitely nuclear based on resulting helium. If these reactions

Re: [Vo]:The Summer of ECat

2011-05-27 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 10:45 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: It could be more important than you realize. Fear of the unknown is always a risk factor and let's not forget a heated political climate. And there is always going to be the chance of some kind of Hindenburg silliness

Re: [Vo]:The Summer of ECat

2011-05-27 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 11:03 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 10:45 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: It could be more important than you realize. Fear of the unknown is always a risk factor and let's not forget a heated political climate. And there

Re: [Vo]:The Summer of ECat

2011-05-27 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 11:31 PM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: Jones is wrong again.  It is a nuclear affect. Jones never said it wasn't nuclear . . . just not fusion. I am beginning to be convinced that this is true. Low Energy Nuclear Reactions are not necessarily fusion and THAT is the new

Re: [Vo]:The Summer of ECat

2011-05-27 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 11:40 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 11:31 PM,  fznidar...@aol.com wrote: Jones is wrong again.  It is a nuclear affect. Jones never said it wasn't nuclear . . . just not fusion.  I am beginning to be convinced that this is true.  

Re: [Vo]:The Summer of ECat

2011-05-27 Thread Axil Axil
There is a halfway state between non-nuclear and nuclear reactions. Let me term this state as shielded nuclear reactions. When heat is produced, nuclear radiation is converted to lattice heating. Otherwise it is released to the outside environment. One of Rossi’s big design challenges is to