Re: [Vo]:eCat Electric COP : 2

2011-12-15 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 11-12-15 06:19 PM, Mary Yugo wrote: I don't understand any of that in the slightest. The device as it is supposed to be would immediately and without any changes be an excellent heat source. ... But this is very silly conjecture. If the device worked, which is very doubtful at this poi

Re: [Vo]:eCat Electric COP : 2

2011-12-15 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Apparently you don't understand LCOE (Levelized Cost Of Energy)? May I suggest you do some googling. ALL of the ways we generate energy have an infinite COP if you take away the energy content of the fuel that you need to supply to the generator. With some generators such as wind, solar, tidal,

Re: [Vo]:eCat Electric COP : 2

2011-12-15 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 5:35 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > Then I suggest you read Christensen and some other books about business. > Some of these ideas are complicated. You have to do your homework. > An amazing new revolutionary technology promising to replace fossil fuels... but it's useless i

Re: [Vo]:eCat Electric COP : 2

2011-12-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mary Yugo wrote: I don't understand any of that in the slightest. > Then I suggest you read Christensen and some other books about business. Some of these ideas are complicated. You have to do your homework. > The device as it is supposed to be would immediately and without any > changes be

Re: [Vo]:eCat Electric COP : 2

2011-12-15 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
That is why I'm not fussed about why it works as long as it works and the LCOE fits my target market. When either Leonardo or DGT announce their Ac kWh devices, with prices, then we can determine into which markets these devices can and can not be sold. For any new energy generation technology,

Re: [Vo]:eCat Electric COP : 2

2011-12-15 Thread Mary Yugo
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: > > For the E-Cat or any other LENR generator to make inroads into the global >> energy generation market, the LCOE per kWh of delivered energy must be >> lower than from any other comparable energy sources or there i

Re: [Vo]:eCat Electric COP : 2

2011-12-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: For the E-Cat or any other LENR generator to make inroads into the global > energy generation market, the LCOE per kWh of delivered energy must be > lower than from any other comparable energy sources or there is simply no > market for it. Yup. That's a key point. You m

Re: [Vo]:eCat Electric COP : 2

2011-12-15 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
When you feed the output back into the input and there is additional power to supply energy to an external load, then the COP is infinite as also occurs in a Fossil or Nuclear plant which also have infinite COPs if you exclude the energy obtained from the fuel. So claiming a LENR generator has

Re: [Vo]:eCat Electric COP : 2

2011-12-15 Thread Alain Sepeda
by the way the COP=6 is first conservative, but the need is not of electricity but of heat... of course today he use electricity because it is easy to control. in fact it seems that hyperion, and maybe soon e-cat will self sustain quite long. also as said here, if you can produce electricity, juste

RE: [Vo]:eCat Electric COP : 2

2011-12-15 Thread Robert Leguillon
From: robert.leguil...@hotmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:eCat Electric COP : 2 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 11:47:41 -0600 Obviously, you just buy three 1MW reactors, and feed the output of the first to the inputs of the other two. Voila! COP=4 Simply buy 15 E-Cats, feed 1 into

Re: [Vo]:eCat Electric COP : 2

2011-12-15 Thread Mary Yugo
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Alan J Fletcher wrote: > > > I haven't run the numbers, but that seems marginally economical to me. Of > course, you still get COP 4 of (lower grade) heat out of it, so as a mixed > system it may be OK. > ** > > ** (lenr.qumbu.com -- analyzing the Rossi/Focardi eC

RE: [Vo]:eCat Electric COP : 2

2011-12-15 Thread Robert Leguillon
Obviously, you just buy three 1MW reactors, and feed the output of the first to the inputs of the other two. Voila! COP=4 Simply buy 15 E-Cats, feed 1 into 2, into 4, into 8 and you'll have a COP of 16. Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 09:39:17 -0800 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com From: a...@well.com Subje