Re: [vox-tech] I'm also having ntp problems :-(

2002-04-25 Thread Ryan
On Wednesday 24 April 2002 11:11 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 11:04:01PM -0700, Ryan wrote: The following seems to be happening... connections to a udp server on nat work fine both ways. connections to a udp server on bob only work for sending data to bob.

[vox-tech] Debian X11 4.2 status...

2002-04-25 Thread msimons
On Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 03:27:54PM -0800, Peter Jay Salzman wrote: unfortunately, afaics, debian sid still uses 4.1.0. if anyone knows of someone packaging a more recent X for debian, i'd like to know about it. For more explanation about 4.2 and debian see here...

Re: [vox-tech] I'm also having ntp problems :-(

2002-04-25 Thread msimons
On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 11:21:56PM -0700, Ryan wrote: On Wednesday 24 April 2002 11:11 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 11:04:01PM -0700, Ryan wrote: The following seems to be happening... connections to a udp server on nat work fine both ways. connections to

Re: [vox-tech] Debian X11 4.2 status...

2002-04-25 Thread Peter Jay Salzman
begin [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 03:27:54PM -0800, Peter Jay Salzman wrote: unfortunately, afaics, debian sid still uses 4.1.0. if anyone knows of someone packaging a more recent X for debian, i'd like to know about it. For more explanation about 4.2 and

[vox-tech] VGA Console Mode cursor bug.

2002-04-25 Thread msimons
Well, I've noticed that the demo machine has the following artifact: - when running the 2.4.18 kernel and - when the console is in standard VGA 80x25 resolution and - cursor is in column position 64, then a ghost of the cursor appears on line up and in column position 0. The effect is

Re: [vox-tech] I'm also having ntp problems :-(

2002-04-25 Thread msimons
Well, after something like 16 months at the same IP, the ISP has decided to issue a new address to moria so DNS information is broken, and I'm not going to receive any email until it is fixed... worse yet if someone acquires the previous address email to me may begin to bounce. If anyone

Re: [vox-tech] ac97 sound problems

2002-04-25 Thread Peter Jay Salzman
mike, as always, this was a very informative post! i think i may have something to add. begin [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you send a kill -9 and the process does not die instantly, then you have a kernel bug... there is no way to block or hide from kill -9. So you have a

Re: [vox-tech] ac97 sound problems

2002-04-25 Thread msimons
Kai, I'm going to rearrange some things... On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 09:15:51PM -0700, Kai Harris wrote: 1. the ac97 device driver is being loaded on startup: Via 686a audio driver 1.9.1 ac97_codec: AC97 Audio codec, id: 0x414c:0x4710 (ALC200/200P) via82cxxx: board #1 at

Tough nuts for kill -9 (was Re: [vox-tech] ac97 sound problems)

2002-04-25 Thread Jeff Newmiller
On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, Peter Jay Salzman wrote: mike, as always, this was a very informative post! i think i may have something to add. begin [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you send a kill -9 and the process does not die instantly, then you have a kernel bug... there is

Re: [vox-tech] ac97 sound problems

2002-04-25 Thread msimons
On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 11:05:43AM -0700, Peter Jay Salzman wrote: begin [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you send a kill -9 and the process does not die instantly, then you have a kernel bug... there is no way to block or hide from kill -9. as you point out, processes in

Re: Tough nuts for kill -9 (was Re: [vox-tech] ac97 sound problems)

2002-04-25 Thread msimons
On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 12:36:02PM -0700, Jeff Newmiller wrote: On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, Peter Jay Salzman wrote: begin [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you send a kill -9 and the process does not die instantly, then you have a kernel bug... there is no way to block or hide from

[vox-tech] Lugod Demo Computer Software suggestions?

2002-04-25 Thread msimons
People interested showing at the demo or who have some favorite pet applications should speak-up now with what other applications should be installed. from an applicable legal disclaimer I've seen recently (quantum.com) This file contains certain forward-looking

Re: [vox-tech] ac97 sound problems

2002-04-25 Thread Kai Harris
Mark, thanks for the advice on ALSA. I got that set up and it does work. On Wednesday 24 April 2002 11:59 pm, you wrote: I think I setup a Mandrake 8.2 on a system with ac97. Is your machine a Sony VAIO, slight purplish-silver color with a fold-out cover for the floppy? Is it a system with

Re: [vox-tech] Lugod Demo Computer Software suggestions?

2002-04-25 Thread Rod Roark
On Thursday 25 April 2002 13:03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People interested showing at the demo or who have some favorite pet applications should speak-up now with what other applications should be installed Just a couple of suggestions: GnuCash Evolution Mozilla 1.0 RC1 (it just

Re: [vox-tech] ac97 sound problems

2002-04-25 Thread Peter Jay Salzman
begin [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 11:05:43AM -0700, Peter Jay Salzman wrote: begin [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you send a kill -9 and the process does not die instantly, then you have a kernel bug... there is no way to block or hide from

Re: [vox-tech] ac97 sound problems

2002-04-25 Thread Kai Harris
Mike, thanks for all the info! however, working on possible kernel bugs and even driver bugs is WAY over my head! i will submit a bug report to the via8233 driver maintainer though. i have gotten ALSA up and running thoughi can finally listen to some music. Kai On Thursday 25 April

[vox-tech] Environmental Variables

2002-04-25 Thread ALLO (Alfredo Lopez)
Hi, What is the correct syntax to set/change environmental variable in Linux (RedHat 7.2)? For example for the variable $DISPLAY, is it xterm -display $DISPLAY or setenv DISPLAY $DISPLAY? Is there a man page that explains this? Thanks! Alfredo ___

Re: [vox-tech] Lugod Demo Computer Software suggestions?

2002-04-25 Thread nbs
(This should really be on VOX, but... whatever :^) ) On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 04:03:10PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Overview Major installed packages include: - X11 4.1, Gnome, KDE, - Abiword, Gnumeric, Koffice, Openoffice, - Mozilla, Konqueror, lynx, links - Most of

[vox-tech] unkillable processes (was: ac97 sound problems)

2002-04-25 Thread Henry House
On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 11:05:43AM -0700, Peter Jay Salzman wrote: [...] as you point out, processes in uninterruptable sleep can't be killed with SIGKILL. the process is put to sleep while the kernel waits for some event to happen. this corresponds to process status D. as you point out,

Re: [vox-tech] Anyone got encrypted fs on mdk8.2 working?

2002-04-25 Thread Henry House
On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 09:07:12PM -0700, Ryan wrote: Blasted thing won't take my password, I tried formating the partition a few times, didn't help. Anyone using this wanna share? Interesting. Do you know what kernel driver is being used? I may know about it, since I researched

Re: [vox-tech] Lugod Demo Computer Software suggestions?

2002-04-25 Thread msimons
On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 01:20:52PM -0700, Rod Roark wrote: Just a couple of suggestions: GnuCash Evolution done. Mozilla 1.0 RC1 (it just keeps getting better!) Mozilla plugins (Flash, Java, audio/video) 0.9.9 is packaged and installed. I'll dig around for 1.0 once it's

Re: [vox-tech] Lugod Demo Computer Software suggestions?

2002-04-25 Thread nbs
Mike said: Bill said: The Gimp ( www.gimp.org ) XMMS ( www.xmms.org ) Some XMMS visualization plug-ins ( ) XVNC [*] ( www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/xvnc.html ) And, if you have time,

Re: [vox-tech] Lugod Demo Computer Software suggestions?

2002-04-25 Thread nbs
Also, what servers are installed? (I assume Apache - what's enabled? OpenSSH, too, I'm presume. Anything else?) -bill! ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech

Re: Tough nuts for kill -9 (was Re: [vox-tech] ac97 sound problems)

2002-04-25 Thread Jeff Newmiller
On Thu, 25 Apr 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 12:36:02PM -0700, Jeff Newmiller wrote: On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, Peter Jay Salzman wrote: begin [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you send a kill -9 and the process does not die instantly, then you have a

Re: [vox-tech] unkillable processes (was: ac97 sound problems)

2002-04-25 Thread msimons
On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 03:10:28PM -0700, Henry House wrote: On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 11:05:43AM -0700, Peter Jay Salzman wrote: [...] as you point out, processes in uninterruptable sleep can't be killed with SIGKILL. the process is put to sleep while the kernel waits for some event to

Re: [vox-tech] Lugod Demo Computer Software suggestions?

2002-04-25 Thread msimons
On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 03:14:57PM -0700, nbs wrote: All of them? Cool! Thanks! Yes, it only takes a few seconds to run apt-cache search on the packages you mention (to find their true package names) then do a apt-get install on the list of names. Asteroids 3D (

Re: [vox-tech] Lugod Demo Computer Software suggestions?

2002-04-25 Thread nbs
On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 06:58:19PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: not packaged, or I'm missing it. No prob. But when it's not packaged then I'd need to go find the source, figure out how to compile it and junk, which could take an hour for each package. ;) No ... I

Re: [vox-tech] Linux's Vulnerability to E-mail Viruses

2002-04-25 Thread msimons
On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 04:23:30PM -0700, Chris McKenzie wrote: Also, be aware of symmetric versus assymetric processes and processes that require you to have something or know something. Assymetric processes that require you to have or know something are usually preferred. Chris, The

Re: [vox-tech] I'm also having ntp problems :-(

2002-04-25 Thread Ryan
On Wednesday 24 April 2002 11:31 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: my bad, I kinda expect a verbose tcpdump... tcpdump -tteni eth0 -tt switches to a better time format, -e shows ethernet mac address info -n doesn't do name/server lookups so it's harder to hide errors. -i eth0 : you know this

Re: [vox-tech] Linux's Vulnerability to E-mail Viruses

2002-04-25 Thread Chris McKenzie
Sure, I wasn't trying to intend a pun, I just mispelled. ok. I will give you examples for have and know. Being carded before buying alcohol is a process that requires you to have ID as opposed to buying anything else in which case it only requires you to have money. If you don't have it,

Re: [vox-tech] Linux's Vulnerability to E-mail Viruses

2002-04-25 Thread Peter Jay Salzman
begin Chris McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sure, I wasn't trying to intend a pun, I just mispelled. Modern encryption, assymetric processes. Alright, say I had a very rare piece of software, OpenStep 4.2/i386 and I wanted to send it to you. However, you live in some remote jungle where you

Re: [vox-tech] Linux's Vulnerability to E-mail Viruses

2002-04-25 Thread Rod Roark
Interesting, I never thought about that before. The locking (and corresponding unlocking) could easily be done by xor'ing against some string of pseudo-random characters that only the encryptor knows how to produce. -- Rod http://www.sunsetsystems.com/ On Thursday 25 April 2002 07:13 pm,

Re: [vox-tech] Linux's Vulnerability to E-mail Viruses

2002-04-25 Thread ME
On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, Rod Roark wrote: Interesting, I never thought about that before. The locking (and corresponding unlocking) could easily be done by xor'ing against some string of pseudo-random characters that only the encryptor knows how to produce. The most advanced encryption

Re: [vox-tech] Linux's Vulnerability to E-mail Viruses

2002-04-25 Thread foo
On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, ME wrote: On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, Rod Roark wrote: Interesting, I never thought about that before. The locking (and corresponding unlocking) could easily be done by xor'ing against some string of pseudo-random characters that only the encryptor knows how to

Re: [vox-tech] Linux's Vulnerability to E-mail Viruses

2002-04-25 Thread nbs
On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 08:47:34PM -0700, ME wrote: The most advanced encryption available is found when you use 2XOR (double-XOR) with your data and the same key. Like those ebooks! Wait, no that was ROT13 -bill! ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL

Re: [vox-tech] Lugod Demo Computer Software suggestions?

2002-04-25 Thread Ken Bloom
You probably already have this set up on the computer and just forgot to mention it in the overview, but the computer needs to act as a DHCP server at Installfests so we can set up computers for DHCP networking and not have to wait for two minutes each time as we restart computers

Re: [vox-tech] Linux's Vulnerability to E-mail Viruses

2002-04-25 Thread Ryan
On Thursday 25 April 2002 09:43 pm, nbs wrote: Like those ebooks! Wait, no that was ROT13 not ROT26? -bill! ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech

Re: [vox-tech] Lugod Demo Computer Software suggestions?

2002-04-25 Thread Mark K. Kim
I suggested a similar idea a while back and Peter volunteered me to setup my laptop has the DHCP server at IFs. I've been to every single one of the IFs with my DHCP-ready laptop ever since... unless I couldn't make it for some reason (translation: done it once.) -Mark On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, Ken

Re: [vox-tech] I'm also having ntp problems :-(

2002-04-25 Thread msimons
On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 06:36:47PM -0700, Ryan wrote: in playing with things some more, I can't get nat to connect to ANY services on bob... Cool, based on that last trace one or two things is happening: - You have no process listing to UDP port 123 on nat - Your firewall rules on nat