Hi,
On 2016-04-19, 7:09 AM,
"webobjects-dev-bounces+chill=gevityinc@lists.apple.com on behalf of OC"
wrote:
>Samuel,
>
>On 19. 4. 2016, at 15:49, Samuel Pelletier wrote:
>
>>
Good catch! It should use removeAll() not remove().
From:
>
on behalf of Paul Hoadley >
Date: Friday, April 15, 2016
Clearly that is because you have not moved to Australia yet!
Personally, I feel quite tempted.
From:
>
on behalf of Klaus Berkling
doing WO-stuff before ERXApplication.main() was executed, a clear
>Neddy no no.
>
>Why the problem appeared only with the mavenization of the project, I have no
>idea.
>
>Thanks for the technical and moral support.
>
>- hugi
>
>
>> On 13. apr. 2016, at
Overriding awakeFromInsertion and not calling super?
Chuck Hill
Gevity Consulting Inc.
Sent from my mobile device.
> On Apr 13, 2016, at 11:27 AM, OC <o...@ocs.cz> wrote:
>
> Thanks both of you. Very weird: always, far as I can recall, even years ago
> when in
I suspect your code. If it is newly inserted and saved (and even unsaved I
think) they should be an empty array, not null.
On 2016-04-13, 10:12 AM,
"webobjects-dev-bounces+chill=gevityinc@lists.apple.com on behalf of OC"
Try
er.extensions.maxPageReplacementCacheSize
On 2016-04-13, 8:56 AM,
"webobjects-dev-bounces+chill=gevityinc@lists.apple.com on behalf of Hugi
Thordarson" wrote:
>Thanks Aaron, I’ll try this
It should work. It sounds like the problem is that your business logic
framework is not getting built correctly and so not recognized as a framework.
pathForResourceNamed is deprecated (in reality if not JavaDoc), use
pathURLForResourceNamed instead. But that won’t work unless your framework
l -f
>App-1 and see the app initializing then can I assume that mod_WebObjects is
>working?
>
>The app is dying at Migration but that’s not what I’m testing right now…
>
>Paul
>
>> On Apr 7, 2016, at 2:24 PM, Chuck Hill <ch...@gevityinc.com> wrote:
>>
>> A
Assuming you can access the app, yes.
On 2016-04-07, 11:24 AM, "Paul Yu" <p...@mac.com> wrote:
>So if I’ve got it compiled and loaded into Apache 2.4 and apachectl -M shows
>the module loaded then I should be fine?
>
>Paul
>
>> On Apr 7, 2016, at 2:2
AM, "Paul Yu" <p...@mac.com> wrote:
>Once I have the woadaptor built, how do I know that it is actually working by
>itself?
>
>Paul
>
>Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Apr 6, 2016, at 5:43 PM, Chuck Hill <ch...@gevityinc.com> wrote:
>>
>>
Testing? Seriously? :-P If it does not crash, it is tested.
Look in the archives for these threads:
WebObjects and Apache 2.4 on El Capitan
Apache Adaptor on debian:jessie
That should get you started.
Chuck
On 2016-04-06, 11:45 AM,
or not. That might also be
why setting the app up in JavaMonitor is not picking this up either.
From: Lon Varscsak <lon.varsc...@gmail.com<mailto:lon.varsc...@gmail.com>>
Date: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 10:28 AM
To: Chuck Hill <ch...@gevityinc.com<mailto:ch...@gevityinc.com>>
Cc:
>> if it does run all right in a different setup, (b) at the very least, you
>> should be waiting for the “No Instance Available“ report much, much longer.
>>
>> Sorry for an extremely dumb question, but is there perhaps any possibility
>> you are changing the timeouts of anot
Receive Timeout is set in JavaMonitor.
From: Benjamin Chew <bc...@smarthealth.com<mailto:bc...@smarthealth.com>>
Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 11:52 PM
To: Chuck Hill <ch...@gevityinc.com<mailto:ch...@gevityinc.com>>
Cc: OC <o...@ocs.cz<mailto:o...@ocs.cz&
6 at 3:14 PM
To: Chuck Hill <ch...@gevityinc.com<mailto:ch...@gevityinc.com>>
Cc: WebObjects Dev Apple
<webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com<mailto:webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>>
Subject: Re: Deadlock / stack interpretation
Thanks Chuck. I have looked at this code. I do sp
That is a good idea, but that is not the source of the original deadlock as far
as I can see.
From: Jon Nolan <j...@lochgarman.com<mailto:j...@lochgarman.com>>
Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 3:29 PM
To: Mark Wardle <m...@wardle.org<mailto:m...@wardle.org>>
Cc: Chuck H
I assume that you are running the app locally through Apache as that message is
from wotaskd. As OC pointed out, the Receive Timeout is what you need to
adjust up and up and up.
It sounds like latency is what is killing you, I don’t recall how chatty JDBC
is but it is probably along the lines
scene."
A fine man, killed by someone who drank too much and got into a car. My plea
to NOT drive after drinking was to everyone else, not directed at François.
Chuck
From: Philippe Rabier <prab...@icloud.com<mailto:prab...@icloud.com>>
Date: Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 10:51
Hi Mark
Found one Java-level deadlock:
=
"WorkerThread127":
waiting for ownable synchronizer 0xec9b7b48, (a
java.util.concurrent.locks.ReentrantLock$NonfairSync),
which is held by "Thread-5”
So this is waiting for an OSC lock:
"WorkerThread127":
at
That is very sad news indeed.
If you drink, don’t drive. Please.
On 2016-03-31, 11:00 AM,
"webobjects-dev-bounces+chill=gevityinc@lists.apple.com on behalf of Gavin
Eadie" wrote:
>> On Mar 31,
Moving session IDs to cookies will also open you up to CSRF attacks. :-)
On 2016-03-24, 10:21 AM,
"webobjects-dev-bounces+chill=gevityinc@lists.apple.com on behalf of OC"
wrote:
>Hello there,
>
>one
by advisers to Donald Trump. Maybe.
From: Gerald Jones
<gerald.jo...@cmehawaii.com<mailto:gerald.jo...@cmehawaii.com>>
Date: Monday, March 21, 2016 at 8:20 PM
To: Chuck Hill <ch...@gevityinc.com<mailto:ch...@gevityinc.com>>, 'Ken
Anderson' <kenli...@anderhome.com<
this is the cause of
any performance issues.
Chuck
From: Gerald Jones
<gerald.jo...@cmehawaii.com<mailto:gerald.jo...@cmehawaii.com>>
Date: Monday, March 21, 2016 at 8:20 PM
To: Chuck Hill <ch...@gevityinc.com<mailto:ch...@gevityinc.com>>, 'Ken
Anderson' <kenli...
that “wherever and
>how-ever an EC gets created, it will always be my class”?
>
>Thanks a lot,
>OC
>
>On 21. 3. 2016, at 21:23, Chuck Hill <ch...@gevityinc.com> wrote:
>
>> As a first idea, you could make an EC subclass that was able to identify
>> these ready
Revert will revert all changes. Undo will revert a set of changes (the most
recent group) but that won’t help unless the most recent group is only the
delete action he does not want.
On 2016-03-21, 1:23 PM,
"webobjects-dev-bounces+chill=gevityinc@lists.apple.com on behalf of Klaus
As a first idea, you could make an EC subclass that was able to identify these
ready only instances and not call super in deleteObject().
Chuck
On 2016-03-21, 1:17 PM,
"webobjects-dev-bounces+chill=gevityinc@lists.apple.com on behalf of OC"
Hi Jeff,
Yes, if a column is not marked as locking, then it won’t appear in the WHERE
clause.
The danger is that you might save changes that are inconsistent with what the
database has stored in the columns that you are not locking on. As a contrived
example, consider the update below
And most of those ERXRemoteSynchronizer log messages are pretty far apart
(minutes). So I doubt this is what is causing the CPU spike. The next time
this happens try attaching a VisualVM (https://visualvm.java.net) or doing
several iterations of
sudo jstack –F
And comparing what the threads
It is supposed to be SQL92 compliant. If standard SQL can’t do it, you might
be out of luck. This is not something you can do client-side?
Chuck
On 2016-03-11, 12:47 PM,
"webobjects-dev-bounces+chill=gevityinc@lists.apple.com on behalf of OC"
The message looked fine to me both on my iPhone and in my mail client.
On 2016-03-11, 12:52 PM,
"webobjects-dev-bounces+chill=gevityinc@lists.apple.com on behalf of Amedeo
Mantica" wrote:
Not that I can think of. Time to learn how to write a qualifier! :-)
On 2016-03-10, 11:46 AM,
"webobjects-dev-bounces+chill=gevityinc@lists.apple.com on behalf of OC"
wrote:
>Hello there,
>
>is
That seems safe enough given when you are doing it but is slightly to somewhat
more odious than the PlugIn subclass.
From: Paul Hoadley <pa...@logicsquad.net<mailto:pa...@logicsquad.net>>
Date: Friday, March 4, 2016 at 5:43 PM
To: Chuck Hill <ch...@gevityinc.com<mailto:ch...@
. That is probably the cleanest most
reliable solution.
Chuck
From: Paul Hoadley <pa...@logicsquad.net<mailto:pa...@logicsquad.net>>
Date: Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 11:01 PM
To: Chuck Hill <ch...@gevityinc.com<mailto:ch...@gevityinc.com>>
Cc: WebObjects Development
<web
day, March 3, 2016 at 10:25 PM
To: Chuck Hill <ch...@gevityinc.com<mailto:ch...@gevityinc.com>>
Cc: WebObjects Development
<webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com<mailto:webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>>
Subject: Re: Can I force a reload of a database's JDBC info?
Hi Chuck,
On 4 M
at 10:02 PM
To: Chuck Hill <ch...@gevityinc.com<mailto:ch...@gevityinc.com>>
Cc: WebObjects Development
<webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com<mailto:webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>>
Subject: Re: Can I force a reload of a database's JDBC info?
On 4 Mar 2016, at 2:45 pm, Chuck
instance to do this
processing?
Chuck
On 2016-03-02, 12:18 PM, "OC" <o...@ocs.cz> wrote:
>Chuck,
>
>On 2. 3. 2016, at 19:32, Chuck Hill <ch...@gevityinc.com> wrote:
>
>> There is no way to filter/qualify relationships in the model. You could
Hi,
On 2016-03-02, 4:30 PM, "OC" wrote:
>Chuck,
>
>On 2. 3. 2016, at 21:18, OC wrote:
>
>>> Defining additional entities with the appropriate restricting qualifiers
>>> for these conditions might possibly work. Then you could define the
>>> flattened relationship
You can remove the jdbc2Info key from the connection dictionary(ies) and then
call setConnectionDictionary on the adaptor for each model (or just one if they
all connect to the same database). Then call
JDBCAdaptor.typeInfoModel(EOModel) get get things setup again. That looks like
it should
There is no way to filter/qualify relationships in the model. You could model
and flatten Auction ->> Users but that is going to include users for whom
access is not allowed and non-owner users.
Defining additional entities with the appropriate restricting qualifiers for
these conditions
If you always want the comparison to be case insensitive, then you should be
able to specify a database collation for the column that is insensitive.
Then just just a regular equals qualifier. If you want it case sensitive
sometimes and insensitive others, that is a different problem.
In theory your more optimized code is relying on an undocumented implementation
detail which is bad. The next release of WO could break your code. But as
Donald Trump has a better chance of being selected as the next Pope than of
Apple making a new WO release it seems safe in actual practice.
grep -ir jceb *
Try that. There is an adaptorName setting in the index.eomodeld file that can
be used for this. It forms it as “Java” + adaptorName() + “Adaptor”
Chuck
On 2016-02-23, 12:41 PM,
"webobjects-dev-bounces+chill=gevityinc@lists.apple.com on behalf of OC"
of each EO.
You don’t want to me altering the model in a multi-threaded app while those
threads are running. Havoc would result.
Chuck
On 2016-02-22, 11:30 AM, "OC" <o...@ocs.cz> wrote:
>Chuck,
>
>On 22. 2. 2016, at 19:18, Chuck Hill <ch...@gevityinc.com> w
It sounds to me like sharing the model would be less effort. Rather than use
rawRowsForSQL you can just make regular fetch specs and tell them to fetch raw
rows. You might get more data back than you need, but all the join and name
translation etc will be handled for you.
Chuck
On
Yeah, the WO version you are using does not match what the app was written
against:
Exception logging in User: com.webobjects.foundation.NSForwardException
[java.lang.NoSuchFieldError] _EOGlobalModelLock:java.lang.NoSuchFieldError:
_EOGlobalModelLock
Caused by: java.lang.NoSuchFieldError:
No, he is talking about a binding in a .wo template. There is no “read only”
setting in the API file. I’ve always done the "empty do-nothing setter” thing
and documented why in a comment.
On 2016-02-04, 1:29 PM,
"webobjects-dev-bounces+chill=gevityinc@lists.apple.com on behalf of
ary 29, 2016 at 3:13 PM
To: Chuck Hill <ch...@gevityinc.com<mailto:ch...@gevityinc.com>>,
"gerald.jo...@cmehawaii.com<mailto:gerald.jo...@cmehawaii.com>"
<gerald.jo...@cmehawaii.com<mailto:gerald.jo...@cmehawaii.com>>,
"webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com
each will lead to
the last request waiting for30 seconds. Adding more instances in one way of
addressing this.
Chuck
From: Gerald Jones
<gerald.jo...@cmehawaii.com<mailto:gerald.jo...@cmehawaii.com>>
Date: Friday, January 29, 2016 at 5:18 PM
To: Chuck Hill <ch...@gev
sorting the relationship but I’d guess that to be a co-incidence.
I don’t think are you going to find the cause in either of these bits of code.
Chuck
From: Mark Wardle <m...@wardle.org<mailto:m...@wardle.org>>
Date: Friday, January 29, 2016 at 1:33 PM
To: Chuck Hill <ch...@gevityin
Hi Gerald,
I suspect that what you are seeing is not a true session timeout. First, some
questions.
How long does it take to process these updates and inserts?
How long after clicking submit does the session timeout message appear?
Are you running with concurrent dispatch enabled?
How loaded
That is nasty. While processing this fetch, a snapshot is going missing. I
don’t think we can tell anything else from that stack trace. It is likely that
the cause of this missing snapshot is in another concurrently executing thread.
And it is likely related to an error in snapshot
Hi Maik,
The snapshots are purged from the cache when an EC is disposed if no other EO
in another EC is still referencing them. That is, disposing will decrement the
reference count for the snapshot of the EOs in the EC. That should happen
automatically when the page is garbage collecting,
Hi Maik,
I will guess that the answer to the following is No as you said if you restart
the apps at 3PM the problem does not a happen.
Could it be something other than garbage collection? I’ve seen a similar
problem when someone installed backup software that ran during business hours.
How did you define the PK? You will need to set it up as a custom data type,
the same as if you were using it as a regular attribute. Why does it think it
is a NSTimestamp?
Chuck
On 2016-01-22, 2:35 PM,
"webobjects-dev-bounces+chill=gevityinc@lists.apple.com on behalf of Samuel
t;
> public DateMTA dateMta() {
> if (dateMta == null) {
> dateMta = DateMTA.forDate(editingContext(), date());
> }
> return dateMta;
> }
>
>
>It would be much nicer to simply create the relationship but for in memory
Your method is missing the ‘static’ keyword. This can’t be an instance method
as there is not an instance yet.
Chuck
From:
>
on behalf of T Worman
-)
>
>Ah… I thought they must have made their way in - I was just trying to avoid
>re-inventing the wheel by not taking advantage of some already functional
>Framework.
>
>Was there a specific named Framework ?
>
>Gino
>
>
>> On 17 Jan 2016, at 13:39, Chuck Hill <ch.
A couple of them have made it in. They have different names that start with ER.
Feel free to add any other ones that you want to
Chuck Hill
Gevity Consulting Inc.
Sent from my mobile device.
> On Jan 17, 2016, at 3:34 AM, Theodore Petrosky <tedp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I b
Generate the classes first?
From:
>
on behalf of "Ruggentaler, JR"
>
Date: Thursday, January 14, 2016
led
AjaxSwing.
http://www.creamtec.com/products/ajaxswing/
On 13 jan. 2016, at 20:27, James Cicenia
<ja...@jimijon.com<mailto:ja...@jimijon.com>> wrote:
Here’s a very interesting back end setup:
mongoDb and vert.x
FrontEnd…
react
meteor
angular2
.
.
.
bootstrap
On Jan 13, 201
if I recall. I had a hard time finding documentation on it.
>
>Crap, now I need to learn JavaScript and REST?
Yes, all of the cool kids are doing it. The real question is “Which JavaScript
framework(s) will I learn?”. There seems to be a new on almost every day!
Chuck
>
>Tim
>UC
<dleber_wo...@codeferous.com<mailto:dleber_wo...@codeferous.com>>
Cc: Chuck Hill <ch...@gevityinc.com<mailto:ch...@gevityinc.com>>,
"Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com<mailto:Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>"
<webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com<mailto:webobject
On 2016-01-13, 5:19 PM,
"webobjects-dev-bounces+chill=gevityinc@lists.apple.com on behalf of Pascal
Robert" wrote:
>
>> Le 2016-01-13 à 18:59, Hugi Thordarson a écrit :
>>
>>> I
Hi Lachlan,
Nice to see you around, welcome back. Yes, I am still here though snail
harvesting sounds tempting and soothing.
The community is getting smaller and more fragmented. Several people have
joined Apple now and they tend not to be around much.
The last time I tried Golips it also
I can’t come up with a better case. I don’t recall ever using them. As Paul
said, it would have to be a read only column. This might have made more sense
years ago when offloading processing to the database made sense. If it ever
really did.
For more data inconsistency fun, you can
to me. It is puzzling
that disabling Wonder startup makes the problem go away. Did you keep the
class path the same?
Chuck
From: Kwasi O-Ahoofe <koa...@icloud.com<mailto:koa...@icloud.com>>
Date: Thursday, January 7, 2016 at 11:46 AM
To: Chuck Hill <ch...@gevityin
Is there a stack trace? It would be useful to know which object it was looking
up “value” on.
From:
>
on behalf of Mark Gowdy
IIRC, a long time ago there were two versions, FrontBasePlugin and
FrontBasePlugIn (notice in vs In). Is it finding the one from FrontBase
(rather than Wonder)?
Chuck
From:
That looks like a Postgres configuration problem. EOF is able to load the
adaptor, plugin, and driver:
INFO er.transaction.adaptor.ConnectionAnalyzer - Trying to create JDBCAdaptor...
INFO er.transaction.adaptor.ConnectionAnalyzer - Successfully created adaptor
That means that WebObjects is not installed not your server, or is not on your
application’s class path.
Chuck
From:
>
on behalf of HOUNKPONOU Ronald
The contents of the thread storage are removed at the end of each R-R loop to
prevent data leaking between requests (and to prevent memory leaks too).
Wonder already puts the session in thread storage under “session” so you could
just use that and ask it for the region in your EOs.
Chuck
g.NameNotFoundException: Name
"comp/env/jdbc" not found in context
Nope. The ConnectionDictionairies of the models in use are all empty...
René
Am 11.12.2015 um 19:03 schrieb Chuck Hill
<ch...@gevityinc.com<mailto:ch...@gevityinc.com>>:
Check your models. I think you
Check your models. I think you will find somewhere a connection dictionary
with a value for the key DataSourceJndiName. Remove that.
Chuck
From:
>
on behalf of René
I have not tried that either. I have no idea if that is a real problem or why.
From:
>
on behalf of Klaus Berkling
I’d look at a less than generic solution in my thought experiment. Maybe
ERXEORepetition. And use some form of the global ID as the element ID for the
elements. Then in the implementation, you would do a map look up of the global
ID to get the EO, rather than an index lookup. I have not
If they were compiled with Java 1.7, they won’t run in a Java 5 JVM unless that
was specifically targeted. And that seems unlikely given how old Java 1.5 is.
Chuck
On 2015-12-01, 10:41 AM,
"webobjects-dev-bounces+chill=gevityinc@lists.apple.com on behalf of
Ricardo Parada"
t an acceptable amount
>for a 64bit system?
>
>Michael
>
>
>> On Nov 29, 2015, at 4:09 PM, Chuck Hill <ch...@gevityinc.com> wrote:
>>
>> If it is load related, I’d look at the application first. You might also be
>> running low on file handles or other syste
Crashing or hanging? Those are different. If it is crashing, do you have a
stack trace? Is it hard exit? If it is hanging, get a thread dump (sudo jstack
-f ). Or is it your app that is hanging? If the app takes too long to
respond to a wotaskd request, it can appear that the problem is
If it is load related, I’d look at the application first. You might also be
running low on file handles or other system resources. Linux is likely better
configured in that respect.
WO should easily be able to handle that load, but that assumes that the
application does not have have issues
Is your web server (or Wonder) protecting /favicon.ico from getting to your app
or handling it? That request won’t contain the cookies (IIRC) which results in
a new session getting created and the app will return the cookie from the new
session (usually with an error response as it is not
Getting rid of the archaic dependancy on that jar and removing that ancient
script seems to be the right thing to do.
Chuck
From:
>
on behalf of Ramsey Gurley
Hi Douglas,
"Override ignored for property² sounds like an Ant message. Ant will only
set a property once. Trying to alter it after that will result in this
message. That means that somewhere in your build process before this
point, the values for these have been set. And set incorrectly as
I¹Ve used EOModelDoc. Below are some Ant fragments to get you started. I
am also attaching a eogen template showing how to drive the documentation
from the EOModel into the classes where JavaDoc and you IDE will pick it
up. I find that generally more useful.
Chuck
Also take a look at the Role pattern which may be what you want here.
Chuck
On 2015-10-28, 6:13 AM,
"webobjects-dev-bounces+chill=gevityinc@lists.apple.com on behalf of
Alexander Spohr"
wrote:
>One
Hi Birthe,
Here are a couple of ideas for you to look at.
Entities can be backed by a stored procedure, see the Procedures tab on an
Entity in the Entity Modeler. If you can model this as a changed EO, that will
be the simplest.
There is also the EOAdaptorContext.Delegate which has a methods
It looks like you have that as the Entity name for one of your entities in the
model? It is a modelling issue in any case.
Chuck
From:
>
on behalf of Calven Eggert
Yep, defaults in the framework, overrides in the Application, and
production overrides on the command line.
On 2015-10-27, 9:32 AM,
"webobjects-dev-bounces+chill=gevityinc@lists.apple.com on behalf of
Hugi Thordarson"
And that null response is what triggers this exception. This is in response to
a notification asking for a class description for an entity named X.
Could be a bad prototype?
From: Calven Eggert <cal...@mac.com<mailto:cal...@mac.com>>
Date: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 10:17 AM
To
http://prod.lists.apple.com/archives/webobjects-dev/2015/Oct/msg00047.html
From:
>
on behalf of Calven Eggert >
Date: Tuesday,
I am just the man who has shot off all of his toes at one time or another and
just just happens to remember why. :-)
From: Calven Eggert <cal...@mac.com<mailto:cal...@mac.com>>
Date: Monday, October 26, 2015 at 10:38 AM
To: Chuck Hill <ch...@gevityinc.com<mailto:ch...@
As a guess, your OS might have this set to some name that Java is not
recognizing. Take a look in system preferences, and try changing it to
something else and back again.
Chuck
From:
I think this is usually a permissions difference in the user that
JavaMonitor/wotaskd is being run under vs what you a logged in as at the
command line.
From:
>
on
You can just create that directory manually and place the file there.
From:
>
on behalf of Calven Eggert >
Date: Wednesday, October
Look under Preferences - WOLips - Build. Make sure that Generate Bundles is
NOT checked off.
Chuck
From:
>
on behalf of Barry Starrfield
Wonder's ERXJDBCConnectionAnalyzer should help here. I though it was
automatically activated in the case of a connection failure, but maybe I am
imagining that.
From:
Gleaned from the list, slightly hard to read:
Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht:
Von: Benjamin Chew
Betreff: Aw: Precompiled WOAdaptor for apache 2.4
Datum: 6. November 2014 18:58:28 MEZ
An: John Pollard
Kopie: WebObjects-Dev Mailing List List
"fetch all As that are either assigned to a given B or not assigned at all".
That sounds like a right outer join. You can set the join semantics on the
relationship in EOModeler. You probably don't want that for the main
relationship, but I think you can define one that is not a class
Will we have fermented shark loin for breakfast? :-)
On 2015-10-02, 3:55 PM,
"webobjects-dev-bounces+chill=gevityinc@lists.apple.com on behalf of
Pascal Robert" wrote:
>
>> Le 2015-10-02 à 18:00, Hugi
No question in MY mind which it is!
On 2015-10-02, 5:17 PM, "Hugi Thordarson" wrote:
>If I make it, we will. I’ll allow you to decide if that’s a promise or a
>threat :).
>
>- hugi
>
>
>> Will we have fermented shark loin for breakfast? :-)
>>
>> On 2015-10-02, 3:55 PM,
>>
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