WebObjects development

Hi all. It is sad to hear the despondency permeating through the email list today. I think many of us have achieved so much with this technology stack, solutions that would be much more difficult with other technologies. I think Apple is missing a trick here. Perhaps I am naive but isn’t thei

Re: WebObjects development

Please please please... Someone went as far as asking for support by talking to an Apple Senior VP, and the answer was: NO! Stop thinking that Apple will help us after 5 years without any help from Apple. They even stopped contributing to Wonder 3 years ago. Envoyé de mon iPhone > Le 2014-03-0

Re: WebObjects development

Am I right or what? WO is an elite “gentleman’s club” There are those “in the circle” and those outside. If Mark wants to send a note of praise to someone, why not? Even if it is Tim Cook. Will anything bad come of that? It may fall on deaf ears but that’s ok. Mark, I’m glad you love WO. For

Re: WebObjects development

Le 2014-03-07 à 19:21, Aaron Rosenzweig a écrit : > Am I right or what? WO is an elite “gentleman’s club” There are those “in the > circle” and those outside. For the record, I’m not the one who contacted a senior VP. > If Mark wants to send a note of praise to someone, why not? Even if it

Re: WebObjects development

Interesting issue/discussion. On the one hand, WO does not have the potential critical sales mass to warrant selling it as a supported product. On the other hand, WO has so much strategic value that Apple can't afford to release it into the wild ? WTF. I know some economists who c

Re: WebObjects development

Le 2014-03-07 à 19:57, Joel M. Benisch a écrit : > Interesting issue/discussion. > > On the one hand, WO does not have the potential critical sales mass to > warrant selling it as a supported product. > > On the other hand, WO has so much strategic value that Apple can't afford to > rele

Re: WebObjects development

On 2014-03-07, 4:57 PM, "Joel M. Benisch" wrote: Interesting issue/discussion. On the one hand, WO does not have the potential critical sales mass to warrant selling it as a supported product. On the other hand, WO has so much strategic value that Apple can't afford to release it into the

Re: WebObjects development

> > Em 07/03/2014, às 21:46, Pascal Robert escreveu: > > >> Le 2014-03-07 à 19:21, Aaron Rosenzweig a écrit : >> >> Am I right or what? WO is an elite “gentleman’s club” There are those “in >> the circle” and those outside. > > For the record, I’m not the one who contacted a senior VP. >

Re: WebObjects development

I know you guys are right and I loathe to involve myself in this discussion but here goes nothing... Does Apple make a lot of money selling XCode? It seems to me that WO is another tool that Apple could support that enables developers to make great applications for their platform. After all, the

Re: WebObjects development

Envoyé de mon iPhone > Le 2014-03-07 à 21:05, Jonathan Miller a écrit : > > I know you guys are right and I loathe to involve myself in this discussion > but here goes nothing... > > Does Apple make a lot of money selling XCode? They make money by selling laptops to developers and by taking

Re: WebObjects development

It's all about iPhone and iPad sales and one of the things that makes Apple's devices the best is the quantity and quality of the applications in the platform. And the application server is an essential component to many iOS and Mac applications with the prime example being iTunes. On Fri, Mar 7

Re: WebObjects development

Like Chuck, Apple got out of that business (real server software, XServe, WO). If they are going to offer something on the server-side, it will probably be a Apple-hosted solution that they will control. Envoyé de mon iPhone > Le 2014-03-07 à 21:31, Jonathan Miller a écrit : > > It's all abou

Re: WebObjects development

Sounds great to me! Here is your laptop, dev tools and apple hosted OS X VM. Well one can dream. Have a nice weekend! > On Mar 7, 2014, at 4:34 PM, Pascal Robert wrote: > > Like Chuck, Apple got out of that business (real server software, XServe, > WO). If they are going to offer something

Re: WebObjects development

Unlike iOS and OS X, Apple does not own the server platform. Communication is via standard protocols. And Apple is no longer in the server market. Bringing back WO as a product is NOT going to sell more iPhones. It is NOT going to make more money for Apple. Making a really good SDK and dev

Re: WebObjects development

Does that make Google dumb? https://cloud.google.com/developers/articles/how-to-build-mobile-app-with-app-engine-backend-tutorial Sent from my iPad > On Mar 7, 2014, at 6:06 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: > > Unlike iOS and OS X, Apple does not own the server platform. Communication > is via standard

Re: WebObjects development

I can put it more succinctly than Chuck by saying that Chuck seems to me to have this right, front-to-back. Three comments: 1. There was a time when WebObjects fit Apple's business model as did, e.g., the Xserve product. That model changed, a lot, many years ago now. 2. I don't think the curre

Re: WebObjects development

Precisely what I was trying to express, just done much for elegantly. Too many years in management. I guess my "code factoring" skills are rusty. Thanks for saying it so clearly. -- Joel M. Benisch CPCU, Presid

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Re: WebObjects development (Mark Wardle)

will interest him as well. Best regards, Bart > Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2014 22:58:39 + > From: Mark Wardle > To: WebObjects Development > Cc: tc...@apple.com > Subject: WebObjects development > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" &

Re: WebObjects development (Mark Wardle)

ds, Bart > > >> Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2014 22:58:39 + >> From: Mark Wardle >> To: WebObjects Development >> Cc: tc...@apple.com >> Subject: WebObjects development >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" &

Re: WebObjects development (Mark Wardle)

raig Federighi and hope your >> idea will interest him as well. >> >> Best regards, Bart >> >> >>> Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2014 22:58:39 + >>> From: Mark Wardle >>> To: WebObjects Development >>> Cc: tc...@apple.com >>>

Re: WebObjects development (Mark Wardle)

gt; technology would fit perfect in the common heard Apple values: "the >> crossroads of technology and liberal arts". >> Let's see what the future brings. I've copied Craig Federighi and hope your >> idea will interest him as well. >> >> Best

Re: WebObjects development (Mark Wardle)

medical application of iOS linked with >>> server technology would fit perfect in the common heard Apple values: "the >>> crossroads of technology and liberal arts". >>> Let's see what the future brings. I've copied Craig Federighi and hope your &g

Re: WebObjects development (Mark Wardle)

wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Mark, >>>> >>>> When reading through your email I realised that this is quite nicely >>>> summarising my thoughts on this topic. I hear other people on the list >>>> talking about the past, but this is about the fu

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