Re: [discuss] Fix the maven repo for our 1.3-incubating-beta1 release by uploading two distributables

2007-05-06 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On 5/7/07, Martijn Dashorst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ...The problem is that we need to vote on those artifacts, and get approval from the IPMC too. At least, that is my understanding You're right, releasing additional stuff requires an IPMC vote. I don't know enough about Maven to comme

Re: new project: wicket-velocity?

2007-05-06 Thread Martijn Dashorst
On 5/7/07, James McLaughlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jim, if you're reading with us, would you be ok > with granting us official permission? Certainly, for this code and for any other snipplets i may have contributed :) For this to be official, do you already have an individual contribu

Re: new project: wicket-velocity?

2007-05-06 Thread James McLaughlin
Jim, if you're reading with us, would you be ok with granting us official permission? Certainly, for this code and for any other snipplets i may have contributed :) best, jim

Re: What constitutes a wicketstuff project? (was: Re: the future of wicket-contrib-hibernate2 and wicket-contrib-hibernate3)

2007-05-06 Thread Igor Vaynberg
On 5/6/07, Eelco Hillenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > However, that does impose some form of oversight, and given the > current state of Wicket Stuff, I doubt that it will ever happen, if it > doesn't come from us. Exactly. i dont think you got it right eelco. oversight!=maintenance. if we

Re: What constitutes a wicketstuff project? (was: Re: the future of wicket-contrib-hibernate2 and wicket-contrib-hibernate3)

2007-05-06 Thread Ryan Sonnek
i think what we should do is create a two-tier system where projects that are alive are directly in trunk, while other projects are in a subdirectory of trunk. projects can move between these two tiers as needed. Perhaps a wicket-stuff-incubator?? ideas can be tried out in the incubator module

Re: What constitutes a wicketstuff project? (was: Re: the future of wicket-contrib-hibernate2 and wicket-contrib-hibernate3)

2007-05-06 Thread Eelco Hillenius
However, that does impose some form of oversight, and given the current state of Wicket Stuff, I doubt that it will ever happen, if it doesn't come from us. Exactly. It is just hard to find people with a sustained interest in maintaining a project and actively working on its progress. We hav

Re: What constitutes a wicketstuff project? (was: Re: the future of wicket-contrib-hibernate2 and wicket-contrib-hibernate3)

2007-05-06 Thread Martijn Dashorst
Perhaps we should write up some goals for Wicket Stuff. In my opinion Wicket Stuff is used as a Wicket specific incubator for projects that will end up in core. At least for projects that have 'use' as intent. Projects within Wicket have different intentions: - actual use (i.e. wicket, extension

Re: What constitutes a wicketstuff project? (was: Re: the future of wicket-contrib-hibernate2 and wicket-contrib-hibernate3)

2007-05-06 Thread Igor Vaynberg
well, thats exactly it - very little is required to do this, just an svn move. we should establish procedures/guidelines for what it takes to move from tier 2 to tier 1 and viceversa, and where new projects start out. -igor On 5/6/07, Eelco Hillenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i think what w

Re: [discuss] Fix the maven repo for our 1.3-incubating-beta1 release by uploading two distributables

2007-05-06 Thread Martijn Dashorst
On 5/7/07, Eelco Hillenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Current one sounds easier to me. Then we don't have to rush a new release with a new vote etc. The problem is that we need to vote on those artifacts, and get approval from the IPMC too. At least, that is my understanding. Given that the ar

Re: new project: wicket-velocity?

2007-05-06 Thread Eelco Hillenius
an svn log shows the following entries that require further looking into (first is by JBQ, on behalf of someone else, or with code by someone else): r970 | quenotj | 2006-10-12 01:51:44 -0700 (Thu, 12 Oct 2006) | 7 lines Ad

Re: [discuss] Fix the maven repo for our 1.3-incubating-beta1 release by uploading two distributables

2007-05-06 Thread Eelco Hillenius
Current one sounds easier to me. Then we don't have to rush a new release with a new vote etc. Eelco On 5/7/07, Martijn Dashorst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Our release is a bit borked for maven users due to the fact that I didn't deploy the jdk-1.4 and jdk-1.5 parent poms to the repository (the

Re: new project: wicket-velocity?

2007-05-06 Thread Martijn Dashorst
On 5/7/07, Eelco Hillenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'd like to create project wicket-velocity as a core project. It's a rather simple project (5 classes) with just the extra Velocity dependency. The main reason for wanting this project is that I heard from several people using it and thinking

[discuss] Fix the maven repo for our 1.3-incubating-beta1 release by uploading two distributables

2007-05-06 Thread Martijn Dashorst
Our release is a bit borked for maven users due to the fact that I didn't deploy the jdk-1.4 and jdk-1.5 parent poms to the repository (the release profile explicitly excludes them). This is something that needs to be fixed for future releases, and in my opinion for the current release too. We ca

new project: wicket-velocity?

2007-05-06 Thread Eelco Hillenius
I'd like to create project wicket-velocity as a core project. It's a rather simple project (5 classes) with just the extra Velocity dependency. The main reason for wanting this project is that I heard from several people using it and thinking it's a useful project, and I'd like it to go with our r

Re: What constitutes a wicketstuff project? (was: Re: the future of wicket-contrib-hibernate2 and wicket-contrib-hibernate3)

2007-05-06 Thread Eelco Hillenius
i do not use the project. i do not have time, nor honestly the desire, to fix every wicketstuff project i do not use. do you find that unfair? Well you do have pretty strong opinions on the quality of the project and the way it is 'managed'. And you seem to think something is wrong with the proj

Re: What constitutes a wicketstuff project? (was: Re: the future of wicket-contrib-hibernate2 and wicket-contrib-hibernate3)

2007-05-06 Thread Eelco Hillenius
i think what we should do is create a two-tier system where projects that are alive are directly in trunk, while other projects are in a subdirectory of trunk. projects can move between these two tiers as needed. It would be interesting to see someone actively maintaining that. So far it's even

Re: What constitutes a wicketstuff project? (was: Re: the future of wicket-contrib-hibernate2 and wicket-contrib-hibernate3)

2007-05-06 Thread Igor Vaynberg
i do not use the project. i do not have time, nor honestly the desire, to fix every wicketstuff project i do not use. do you find that unfair? as for it being fixed on a version, do you think anyone would bump down their hibernate version just for an auxilary project? i think not. maybe no one rep

Re: What constitutes a wicketstuff project? (was: Re: the future of wicket-contrib-hibernate2 and wicket-contrib-hibernate3)

2007-05-06 Thread Eelco Hillenius
what defines a project as alive? at the least it works, not just compiles. take data-hibernate 3. it compiles, but doesnt work because it hasnt been synced with hibernate 3 changes. It is fixed on a version in the POM, and to my knowledge it works with that version! if someone was to pick it u

Re: What constitutes a wicketstuff project? (was: Re: the future of wicket-contrib-hibernate2 and wicket-contrib-hibernate3)

2007-05-06 Thread Igor Vaynberg
i love the fact that wicketstuff is both a playground (very little entry barrier for anyone) and that it serves as a repository for additional wicket modules. the problem is when i look into trunk i see ten thousand projects. some are dead, some are half dead, and others are alive. how am i suppos

Re: What constitutes a wicketstuff project? (was: Re: the future of wicket-contrib-hibernate2 and wicket-contrib-hibernate3)

2007-05-06 Thread Eelco Hillenius
I think it's simple. If the projects compile for a given branch, there is no need to pull them out. And even if they don't compile for a while - which didn't happen that much as I'm generally playing the cleanup guy after API breaks -; as long as the Wicket branch they are written for doesn't appr

Re: [VOTE] Propose Wicket for Graduation

2007-05-06 Thread Janne Hietamäki
On 4.5.2007, at 14.23, Upayavira wrote: So, do we want to propose graduation? [x] Yes, propose Wicket for Graduation [ ] No, Wicket is not ready to graduate Please cast your votes. Janne

Re: the future of wicket-contrib-hibernate2 and wicket-contrib-hibernate3

2007-05-06 Thread Eelco Hillenius
Instead of all people reacting furiously, It's the third time or so in a couple of months I have to 'defend' those projects. And looking up the history would have revealed that the last commits weren't that long ago, and that the projects compiled up to two days ago. I also didn't see the point

What constitutes a wicketstuff project? (was: Re: the future of wicket-contrib-hibernate2 and wicket-contrib-hibernate3)

2007-05-06 Thread Martijn Dashorst
On 5/6/07, Ryan Sonnek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: As a wicket-stuff developer, I for one would hate to see restrictions placed on what can or can not be a wicket-stuff project. This was not a thread on what constitutes a wicket stuff project, but now that you brought it up :) In my vision, the

Re: the future of wicket-contrib-hibernate2 and wicket-contrib-hibernate3

2007-05-06 Thread Martijn Dashorst
On 5/6/07, Eelco Hillenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well, then someone would complain wouldn't they? You know what, I'm sick of this and deleted the projects, including the wicket-stuff-examples, which was another one of these projects only maintained by me. Instead of all people reacting fur

Re: the future of wicket-contrib-hibernate2 and wicket-contrib-hibernate3

2007-05-06 Thread Eelco Hillenius
As a wicket-stuff developer, I for one would hate to see restrictions placed on what can or can not be a wicket-stuff project. The beauty of the wicket-stuff idea is that it is a playground for people try out potentially cool ideas. It's a place for people to learn how to use wicket and build "p

Re: the future of wicket-contrib-hibernate2 and wicket-contrib-hibernate3

2007-05-06 Thread Eelco Hillenius
imho those projects never got finished, not even close. Well, it pretty much does what I had in mind. From the start, this project was just to give people an idea how they could work with Hibernate and Wicket and just get something started up. But as basic as it is, it can be (and is, as I know

Re: the future of wicket-contrib-hibernate2 and wicket-contrib-hibernate3

2007-05-06 Thread Ryan Sonnek
As a wicket-stuff developer, I for one would hate to see restrictions placed on what can or can not be a wicket-stuff project. The beauty of the wicket-stuff idea is that it is a playground for people try out potentially cool ideas. It's a place for people to learn how to use wicket and build "p

Re: the future of wicket-contrib-hibernate2 and wicket-contrib-hibernate3

2007-05-06 Thread Eelco Hillenius
Well, then someone would complain wouldn't they? You know what, I'm sick of this and deleted the projects, including the wicket-stuff-examples, which was another one of these projects only maintained by me. As you brought this up Martijn, please do a review of the other wicket-stuff projects that

Re: the future of wicket-contrib-hibernate2 and wicket-contrib-hibernate3

2007-05-06 Thread Igor Vaynberg
well, yes it does matter. there is a difference between a project and a bunch of compiling code. for example that project will break if anyone tries to use it with hibernate 3.2 because it hasnt been updated to their switch of aggregate return types form int to long. who knows what else is broken.

Re: the future of wicket-contrib-hibernate2 and wicket-contrib-hibernate3

2007-05-06 Thread Eelco Hillenius
wicket-contrib-data-hibernate2 Was already pulled out of trunk a very long time ago. Eelco

Re: the future of wicket-contrib-hibernate2 and wicket-contrib-hibernate3

2007-05-06 Thread Eelco Hillenius
you _maintain_ them as far as keeping api with wicket in sync. but do you actively develop them? do they provide any value in their current state? are they up to the latest hibernate version? Huh? Does it matter for this project more than other wicket-stuff projects? Does it matter what release

Re: the future of wicket-contrib-hibernate2 and wicket-contrib-hibernate3

2007-05-06 Thread Igor Vaynberg
you _maintain_ them as far as keeping api with wicket in sync. but do you actively develop them? do they provide any value in their current state? are they up to the latest hibernate version? imho those projects never got finished, not even close. -igor On 5/6/07, Eelco Hillenius <[EMAIL PROTE

Re: the future of wicket-contrib-hibernate2 and wicket-contrib-hibernate3

2007-05-06 Thread Eelco Hillenius
With the rise of databinder, what should we do with the hibernate contrib projects? Are they maintained, or even necessary? Their last release has been 1.0, and stems from 2005. The projects: wicket-contrib-data wicket-contrib-data-hibernate2 wicket-contrib-data-hibernate-3.0 If there is no act

Re: the future of wicket-contrib-hibernate2 and wicket-contrib-hibernate3

2007-05-06 Thread Igor Vaynberg
move them to the attic. -igor On 5/6/07, Martijn Dashorst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: All, With the rise of databinder, what should we do with the hibernate contrib projects? Are they maintained, or even necessary? Their last release has been 1.0, and stems from 2005. The projects: wicket-c

Re: [VOTE] Propose Wicket for Graduation

2007-05-06 Thread Frank Bille
On 5/4/07, Upayavira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [x] Yes, propose Wicket for Graduation Frank

the future of wicket-contrib-hibernate2 and wicket-contrib-hibernate3

2007-05-06 Thread Martijn Dashorst
All, With the rise of databinder, what should we do with the hibernate contrib projects? Are they maintained, or even necessary? Their last release has been 1.0, and stems from 2005. The projects: wicket-contrib-data wicket-contrib-data-hibernate2 wicket-contrib-data-hibernate-3.0 If there is