[Wicket-user] Re: Standard for database integration? (Please!)

2005-10-15 Thread Johan Compagner
adhoc is the whole idea of stuff it is more or less a play ground and what is becoming stable and useable for many people then it should be promoted (wicket-extentions) On 10/15/05, Gili [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At the very least, someone should review contrib, identify classes offering

Re: [Wicket-user] Re: Standard for database integration? (Please!)

2005-10-15 Thread Martijn Dashorst
Only when the license is compatible and doesn't introduce a framework stack. Wicket Stuff is not a playground. It is a place where new components can be created and maintained. If it is used as a playground, we should mark those projects as such: sandbox or something else. Martijn On 10/15/05,

Re: [Wicket-user] Re: Standard for database integration? (Please!)

2005-10-13 Thread Martijn Dashorst
@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Wicket-user] Re: Standard for database integration? (Please!) DataView itself is a good example of the need for database and UI integration (even its name.). Without something similar pulled into wicket.extensions, novice Wicket programmers are left to solve a pretty

RE: [Wicket-user] Re: Standard for database integration? (Please!)

2005-10-13 Thread Igor Vaynberg
Awesome job Gwyn! -Igor -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gwyn Evans Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 7:04 AM To: wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Wicket-user] Re: Standard for database integration? (Please

Re: [Wicket-user] Re: Standard for database integration? (Please!)

2005-10-13 Thread Phil Kulak
But DataView has NO dependencies. If you're worried about too many classes in the core, just add a DataView(String id, List list) constructor (using the ListAdapter) to DataView and get rid of ListView. On 10/11/05, Eelco Hillenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't agree with that. You want the

[Wicket-user] Re: Standard for database integration? (Please!)

2005-10-13 Thread Nathan Hamblen
One thing I mean by integration is a built-in loadable detachable model for Hibernate mapped objects, like what's in contrib.data and contrib.database. After that, you need an easy way for people to fill up list views with query results. If there weren't a use for base classes that help in

Re: [Wicket-user] Re: Standard for database integration? (Please!)

2005-10-13 Thread Phil Kulak
Oh, well, I agree that the hibernate stuff should not be in the core. On 10/13/05, Nathan Hamblen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing I mean by integration is a built-in loadable detachable model for Hibernate mapped objects, like what's in contrib.data and contrib.database. After that, you

[Wicket-user] Re: Standard for database integration? (Please!)

2005-10-13 Thread Nathan Hamblen
Fine. What about extensions? Phil Kulak wrote: Oh, well, I agree that the hibernate stuff should not be in the core. On 10/13/05, Nathan Hamblen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing I mean by integration is a built-in loadable detachable model for Hibernate mapped objects, like what's in

RE: [Wicket-user] Re: Standard for database integration? (Please!)

2005-10-13 Thread Igor Vaynberg
One thing I mean by integration is a built-in loadable detachable model for Hibernate mapped objects, like what's in contrib.data and contrib.database. Sorry, but if you want this feature in the ui layer then it is a tier argument as you should be doing this through a dao object. Wicket

Re: [Wicket-user] Re: Standard for database integration? (Please!)

2005-10-13 Thread Martijn Dashorst
No, We won't put a hibernate or spring dependency into extensions. *Maybe* the things that are in wicket-contrib-data (note the absence of a specific product), but there definetely needs to be some reviewing of what is good and what is bad before we upgrade things into extensions. The dataview

[Wicket-user] Re: Standard for database integration? (Please!)

2005-10-13 Thread Nathan Hamblen
Then what was Jonathan Locke talking about in this post from August? http://jroller.com/page/JonathanLocke/20050829 If he hadn't implied there that a hibernate dependency was possible in extensions, I wouldn't have started this discussion. wicket-stuff works as the laboratory it's intended to

Re: [Wicket-user] Re: Standard for database integration? (Please!)

2005-10-13 Thread Martijn Dashorst
On 10/13/05, Nathan Hamblen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then what was Jonathan Locke talking about in this post from August?http://jroller.com/page/JonathanLocke/20050829 I believe he was talking on a personal note, without thinking through the consequences. His idea of moving it into extensions

RE: [Wicket-user] Re: Standard for database integration? (Please!)

2005-10-12 Thread Igor Vaynberg
@lists.sourceforge.netSubject: Re: [Wicket-user] Re: Standard for database integration? (Please!) Whatever you want to call it, I'm advocating that something "like DataView" be packaged officially with Wicket. If we can agree on that, it's a start. Sure, if its hard for people to find or if it wi

Re: [Wicket-user] Re: Standard for database integration? (Please!)

2005-10-12 Thread Eelco Hillenius
I don't agree with that. You want the DataView, I want JasperReports and Dojo, and someone else wants some other project. The net effect would be a lot of dependencies for one download. What we still should do is: * Make releases of the wicket-stuff projects. This has been on our radar for weeks

Re: [Wicket-user] Re: Standard for database integration? (Please!)

2005-10-12 Thread Nick Heudecker
I have to agree with Igor here. I didn't have to do anything special when I started using Wicket. The DAOs and Service tier that I had in place worked fine. It could be argued that if you're integrating Hibernate at the Wicket level, something is wrong in your design. However, I understand that

[Wicket-user] Re: Standard for database integration? (Please!)

2005-10-11 Thread Nathan Hamblen
DataView itself is a good example of the need for database and UI integration (even its name.). Without something similar pulled into wicket.extensions, novice Wicket programmers are left to solve a pretty tricky problem right off: how do I make a ListView fill from the database without

RE: [Wicket-user] Re: Standard for database integration? (Please!)

2005-10-11 Thread Igor Vaynberg
11, 2005 1:56 PM To: wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Wicket-user] Re: Standard for database integration? (Please!) DataView itself is a good example of the need for database and UI integration (even its name.). Without something similar pulled into wicket.extensions, novice

Re: [Wicket-user] Re: Standard for database integration? (Please!)

2005-10-11 Thread Gwyn Evans
] On Behalf Of Nathan Hamblen Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 1:56 PM To: wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Wicket-user] Re: Standard for database integration? (Please!) DataView itself is a good example of the need for database and UI integration (even its name.). Without

RE: [Wicket-user] Re: Standard for database integration? (Please!)

2005-10-11 Thread Igor Vaynberg
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gwyn Evans Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 3:37 PM To: wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Wicket-user] Re: Standard for database integration? (Please!) Coincidentally, I've just got to the stage of having

[Wicket-user] Re: Standard for database integration? (Please!)

2005-10-11 Thread Nathan Hamblen
Of Nathan Hamblen Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 1:56 PM To: wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Wicket-user] Re: Standard for database integration? (Please!) DataView itself is a good example of the need for database and UI integration (even its name.). Without something similar pulled

RE: [Wicket-user] Re: Standard for database integration? (Please!)

2005-10-11 Thread Igor Vaynberg
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nathan Hamblen Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 1:56 PM To: wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Wicket-user] Re: Standard for database integration? (Please!) DataView itself is a good example of the need for database and UI integration