Re: [Wiki-research-l] commentary on Wikipedia's community behaviour (Aaron gets a quote)

I certainly hope you're right Sydney. What a horrible mess. On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Sydney Poore wrote: > > I think feminists, especially those who take an interest in STEM, will > pass this article around. > > Sydney > On Dec 12, 2014 5:35 PM, "Andrew Lih" wrote: > >> It's a good piec

Re: [Wiki-research-l] How to track all the diffs in real time?

So Datasift is doing something like this already because they have a stream of edits to the English edition of Wikipedia that contains content in near real-time [1]. I'm not saying to use them, but it might be instructive if we can figure out (or if the API folk know) what they are doing. [1] http

Re: [Wiki-research-l] How to track all the diffs in real time?

Greetings list, I do something similar for the [[WP:STiki]] anti-vandalism service. I listen on IRC to determine new edits (en only) and then hit the API with "action=query" on a non-batch basis. My application is multi-threaded in order to keep up. I asked along these lines in 2009 when it

Re: [Wiki-research-l] How to track all the diffs in real time?

Hi Max -- let me ping the API folks. I don't think we researchers can make the final call on this. -Toby On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 2:53 PM, Maximilian Klein wrote: > > Hello Researchers, > > I've been playing with Recent Changes Stream Interface > rec

Re: [Wiki-research-l] commentary on Wikipedia's community behaviour (Aaron gets a quote)

I think feminists, especially those who take an interest in STEM, will pass this article around. Sydney On Dec 12, 2014 5:35 PM, "Andrew Lih" wrote: > It's a good piece, but honestly I think only the dedicated tech reader > will make it through the entire story. There's a lot of jargon and insid

[Wiki-research-l] How to track all the diffs in real time?

Hello Researchers, I've been playing with Recent Changes Stream Interface recently, and have started trying to use the API's "*action=compare*" to look at every diff of every wiki in real time. The goal is to produce real-time analytics on the content

Re: [Wiki-research-l] commentary on Wikipedia's community behaviour (Aaron gets a quote)

It's a good piece, but honestly I think only the dedicated tech reader will make it through the entire story. There's a lot of jargon and insider intrigue such that I could imagine most people never making past the typewriter barf of "BLP, AGF, NOR" :) On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 5:26 PM, Dariusz Jem

Re: [Wiki-research-l] commentary on Wikipedia's community behaviour (Aaron gets a quote)

While I agree that the article is overly negative (likely because of the individual experience), I think it still points to an important problem. I don't perceive this article as really problematic in terms of image. Maybe naively, I imagine that people will not stop donating because the community

Re: [Wiki-research-l] commentary on Wikipedia's community behaviour (Aaron gets a quote)

There's a saying that everyone likes to eat sausages but nobody likes to know how they are made. It is not good to have negative publicity like that during the annual donation campaign (irrespective of the motivations of the journalist and/or the rights/wrongs of the issue being reported, neither

Re: [Wiki-research-l] commentary on Wikipedia's community behaviour (Aaron gets a quote)

I mostly agree. On one hand, it's always nice to see a detailed description of how wiki-sausage gets made in a major venue. On the other, this journalist clearly has a personal axe to grind, and used his bully pulpit to grind it in public. - J On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 1:39 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo)

Re: [Wiki-research-l] StackExchange editor decline (serverfault)

Andrew Lih, 12/12/2014 18:42: I wish we had the slides for this, but Jack Herrick of WikiHow presented at Wikimania 2012 on the features put in to promote more community growth. Of course anyone can verify the numbers with the dump WikiTeam made ;) https://archive.org/details/wiki-wikihowcom j

Re: [Wiki-research-l] StackExchange editor decline (serverfault)

I wish we had the slides for this, but Jack Herrick of WikiHow presented at Wikimania 2012 on the features put in to promote more community growth. There is video, however! And the exact time code is here: http://youtu.be/qI07vokWXBY?t=53m28s Quick transcription of that section of Jack Herrick's

Re: [Wiki-research-l] StackExchange editor decline (serverfault)

On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 3:40 AM, Andrew Lih wrote: > That said, I still feel the "Facebook/Twitter ate my community" angle > merits more analysis. The fact that all the major language Wikipedia > editions dropped in that same 2007 time frame, as well as WikiHow, is still > eyebrow-raising. > And

Re: [Wiki-research-l] StackExchange editor decline (serverfault)

Anders, I have also thought about that aspect and that is why I contribute to Mix-n-Match. We have at our disposal lots of finite datasets that were used to populate Wikipedia with in the early days. Most notable on the English Wikipedia is the out-of-copyright versions of the Encyclopedia Britanni

Re: [Wiki-research-l] StackExchange editor decline (serverfault)

I believe you are on something that would be very worthwhile to look further into I often think of three phases and likens it to shooting at a wall with a paintball gun -first you get enormous result and really see effect but the wall is uneven painted, but to fill in the gaps in not as fun (i

Re: [Wiki-research-l] StackExchange editor decline (serverfault)

Thanks for posting this thoughtful contribution! On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Andrew Lih wrote: > > FYI, I'm wondering if anyone has compared Wikipedia's hyper growth until > 2007 and subsequent slower rate of production to the phenomenon of music CD > sales in the 1980s/1990s​ that also sur

Re: [Wiki-research-l] unsurprising Re: Wikidata for Research - a research proposal

Hi Gerard, you may be wrong, let me explain: all I am saying is that in "How to do this optimally" the "optimally" depends on the field or type of research people are doing and that hence Wikidata caters preferably for certain fields or types and less so for fields not fitting into this paradig

Re: [Wiki-research-l] StackExchange editor decline (serverfault)

On 12.12.2014, at 06:07, James Salsman mailto:jsals...@gmail.com>> wrote: Where is the evidence that a greater proportion of reverts is associated with increased hostility instead of higher article quality standards? good point, one could also blame it on the postulated "no easy contributions

Re: [Wiki-research-l] unsurprising Re: Wikidata for Research - a research proposal

Hoi, I think you miss the point. The point is that Wikidata is a platform that can be and will be used for research. How to do this optimally is what this proposal is about. Not about the nitty gritty of research itself. Thanks, GerardM On 12 December 2014 at 11:54, wrote: > > Hi Daniel and

Re: [Wiki-research-l] unsurprising Re: Wikidata for Research - a research proposal

Hi Claudia, On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 11:54 AM, wrote: >> but most of the reactions came - unsurprisingly > > good point: and why do you find it unsurprising? because Wikidata is about structured data, which in turn plays a key role in the Semantic Web and in computer sciences more broadly, whereas

Re: [Wiki-research-l] StackExchange editor decline (serverfault)

FYI, I'm wondering if anyone has compared Wikipedia's hyper growth until 2007 and subsequent slower rate of production to the phenomenon of music CD sales in the 1980s/1990s​ that also surged then waned in a similar fashion. If you examine the graph of global music sales revenue since 1980, it wil

[Wiki-research-l] unsurprising Re: Wikidata for Research - a research proposal

Hi Daniel and all,  > but most of the reactions came - unsurprisingly good point: and why do you find it unsurprising? > integration of further fields of research the questions here would be: * into what kind of framework are you expecting to "integrate" other fields of research? * what cult

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Wikidata for Research - a research proposal

Hi Claudia, thanks for your comments. While we aim at making Wikidata useful for any field of research, even a successfully completed project is unlikely to achieve that in one go, so I've changed that phrase to "across fields of research". We have tried to reach out to different disciplines (e.g

Re: [Wiki-research-l] commentary on Wikipedia's community behaviour (Aaron gets a quote)

1000th addition to the inconsequential rant genre. Nemo ___ Wiki-research-l mailing list Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Wikidata for Research - a research proposal

Hi Daniel, thank you for your pointer, the claim made in the summary "in any field of research" needs to be substantiated by data that * show the usefulness of the project's expected outcome for research fields in which proofs do not predominantly rely on measurement but predominantly on solid