Re: [Wikidata] [wikicite-discuss] Deletion nomination of Template:Cite Q on English Wikipedia

2017-10-07 Thread Scott MacLeod
Great, GerardM and Wikidatans, Let's build on this. Scott On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 11:55 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > One way to bring the different view points together is to consider a > halfway house (with benefits of its own). Currently there is this

Re: [Wikidata] [wikicite-discuss] Deletion nomination of Template:Cite Q on English Wikipedia

2017-10-07 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, One way to bring the different view points together is to consider a halfway house (with benefits of its own). Currently there is this opinion that a binary issue exists; you either import from Wikidata or you have your data at your project. This is not necessary; what could be done is to

Re: [Wikidata] [wikicite-discuss] Deletion nomination of Template:Cite Q on English Wikipedia

2017-10-06 Thread Andrew Lih
I think infoboxes and Wikidata crosses the line from invisible to highly visible, which is why we are seeing a more in-depth discussion now. Plus, the whole area of infoboxes (even without Wikidata) has been a battleground. In the Facebook group Wikipedia Weekly, one of the folks from pt.wp

Re: [Wikidata] [wikicite-discuss] Deletion nomination of Template:Cite Q on English Wikipedia

2017-10-04 Thread Yaroslav Blanter
Yes, this sounds like correct. When Wikidata was about interwiki links, nobody cared because nobody cared about interwiki links. Then it started to be about the templates, but still nobody cared because nobody noticed. Now they did, and there are already some users whoc want to "ban" Wikidata.

Re: [Wikidata] [wikicite-discuss] Deletion nomination of Template:Cite Q on English Wikipedia

2017-10-03 Thread Yaroslav Blanter
Crossed with Luca, making exact same point. Cheers Yaroslav On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 6:13 PM, Yaroslav Blanter wrote: > Well, most (I guess) English Wikipedia active users do not speak any > languages other than English, and they are not in a position to appreciate > that there

Re: [Wikidata] [wikicite-discuss] Deletion nomination of Template:Cite Q on English Wikipedia

2017-10-03 Thread Yaroslav Blanter
Well, most (I guess) English Wikipedia active users do not speak any languages other than English, and they are not in a position to appreciate that there could be Wikimedia projects beyond the English Wikipedia worthwhile to talk about. I remember once the Signpost asked a user who was

Re: [Wikidata] [wikicite-discuss] Deletion nomination of Template:Cite Q on English Wikipedia

2017-10-03 Thread Luca Martinelli
2017-10-03 17:39 GMT+02:00 Andrew Lih : > To be sure, some of the arguments had merit - better sourcing needed, BLP, > user interface improvements, etc. > > But I was astonished to see many remarks amounting to, “Never Wikidata.” > > A significant number saw EN.WP as its own

Re: [Wikidata] [wikicite-discuss] Deletion nomination of Template:Cite Q on English Wikipedia

2017-10-02 Thread Robert Fernandez
While Wikidata certainly has concerns to deal with about accuracy and vandalism, I think we need to push back against this mindset that Wikipedia works perfectly while Wikidata is this unregulated free-for-all. I've run into editors on en.wp objecting to a Wikidata infobox displaying the very

Re: [Wikidata] [wikicite-discuss] Deletion nomination of Template:Cite Q on English Wikipedia

2017-10-02 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 19 September 2017 at 19:18, Dario Taraborelli wrote: > I wanted to draw your attention to a deletion nomination discussion for an > experimental template – {{Cite Q}} – pulling bibliographic data from > Wikidata: Closed as "no consensus"; it's worth reading the