I think infoboxes and Wikidata crosses the line from invisible to highly visible, which is why we are seeing a more in-depth discussion now. Plus, the whole area of infoboxes (even without Wikidata) has been a battleground.
In the Facebook group Wikipedia Weekly, one of the folks from pt.wp mentioned that they had a whole summit about Wikipedia and Wikidata integration, with infoboxes at the center of discussion: https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Edit-a-thon/Atividades_em_portugu%C3%AAs/Wikidata_Lab_I João Alexandre Peschanski: ”Amidst intense discussions on the use of automated infoboxes on Wikipedia in Portuguese, we held yesterday a Wikidata Lab, specifically on how to build these automated infoboxes and took this as an opportunity to calmly discuss benefits and pitfalls of these infoboxes as is. We will hold a second Wikidata Lab in November on preparing automated lists.” -Andrew On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 4:05 AM, Yaroslav Blanter <ymb...@gmail.com> wrote: > Yes, this sounds like correct. When Wikidata was about interwiki links, > nobody cared because nobody cared about interwiki links. Then it started to > be about the templates, but still nobody cared because nobody noticed. Now > they did, and there are already some users whoc want to "ban" Wikidata. > > Cheers > Yaroslav > > On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 10:32 PM, Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I think this is why it has escalated now, rather than a few years ago. It >> is only now that the mono-lingual English Wikipedians are being confronted >> with Wikidata labels via mobile access and they just have not had much >> exposure until now. The debate centers on infoboxes, but the resentment >> comes from a feeling of helplessness caused by complete ignorance of how to >> "fix" mistakes they see popping up in either an infobox or on mobile. I >> think that the communication about Wikidata has been fairly good >> consistently, but this is not enough for people who didn't listen "because >> it's about other languages I don't speak". Now it has grown to be something >> that is on their radar. I think that is a good thing. >> >> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 6:13 PM, Yaroslav Blanter <ymb...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Well, most (I guess) English Wikipedia active users do not speak any >>> languages other than English, and they are not in a position to appreciate >>> that there could be Wikimedia projects beyond the English Wikipedia >>> worthwhile to talk about. I remember once the Signpost asked a user who was >>> indefinitely blocked on the English Wikivoyage to write the article on >>> Wikivoyage. The article of course contained all the standard prejudices but >>> in particular it said that the only Wikivoyage was the English Wikivoyage. >>> On the talk page I objected, and the answer was: Who cares about other >>> languages? >>> >>> Cheers >>> Yaroslav >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 5:39 PM, Andrew Lih <andrew....@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> To be sure, some of the arguments had merit - better sourcing needed, >>>> BLP, user interface improvements, etc. >>>> >>>> But I was astonished to see many remarks amounting to, “Never >>>> Wikidata.” >>>> >>>> A significant number saw EN.WP as its own exceptional isolated >>>> sustainable entity that would only be polluted or weakened by >>>> decentralizing control with Wikidata-generated content. Or that the sharing >>>> in the sum of all human knowledge (and therefore, citations) was of no >>>> interest. >>>> >>>> That’s quite sad to see. >>>> >>>> -Andrew >>>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 3:39 PM, Yaroslav Blanter <ymb...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I would say the arguments of users who voted to delete the template >>>>> have merit, and the template was kept (and not even banished to the draft >>>>> space) under the condition that attemps will be made to reduce the issues. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> Yaroslav >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 9:27 PM, Robert Fernandez < >>>>> wikigamal...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> While Wikidata certainly has concerns to deal with about accuracy and >>>>>> vandalism, I think we need to push back against this mindset that >>>>>> Wikipedia >>>>>> works perfectly while Wikidata is this unregulated free-for-all. I've >>>>>> run >>>>>> into editors on en.wp objecting to a Wikidata infobox displaying the very >>>>>> same information that was unsourced in that Wikipedia article for nearly >>>>>> a >>>>>> decade. Both are a work in progress, both can do better, and these >>>>>> should >>>>>> not be barriers to progress or integration. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 12:20 PM, Andy Mabbett < >>>>>> a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 19 September 2017 at 19:18, Dario Taraborelli >>>>>>> <dtarabore...@wikimedia.org> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > I wanted to draw your attention to a deletion nomination >>>>>>> discussion for an >>>>>>> > experimental template – {{Cite Q}} – pulling bibliographic data >>>>>>> from >>>>>>> > Wikidata: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Closed as "no consensus"; it's worth reading the full comment: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Templa >>>>>>> tes_for_discussion/Log/2017_September_15&curid=55240730&diff >>>>>>> =803445497&oldid=803444684 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Meta: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiCite >>>>>>> Twitter: https://twitter.com/wikicite >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "wikicite-discuss" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to wikicite-discuss+unsubscr...@wikimedia.org. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wikidata mailing list >>>>>> Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikidata mailing list >>>>> Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikidata mailing list >>>> Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikidata mailing list >>> Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikidata mailing list >> Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata mailing list > Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata > >
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