[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T180345: Add monolingual language code vi-hani

mxn added a comment. In T180345#7624467 , @mxn wrote: > Wikidata’s Vietnamese-language lexemes are currently using `vi-x-Q8201` as the language code for chữ Nôm, as a workaround for this issue: > > phở

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T180345: Add monolingual language code vi-hani

mxn added a comment. In T180345#7916710 , @C933103 wrote: > In T180345#7916540 , @GerardM wrote: > >> So what is the font to be >> used? > > Please see this list of fonts: htt

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T180345: Add monolingual language code vi-hani

Popolon added a comment. > By 1174, Hán tự/Hanzi had become the official writing script of the Vietnamese courts, mainly used by administration and literati, and continued to serve this role until the mid-19th century. As said previously, The Hán tự/Hanzi was still used during French co

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T180345: Add monolingual language code vi-hani

C933103 added a comment. In T180345#7916540 , @GerardM wrote: > Hoi, > We can only support scripts supported in Unicode. As mentioned in previous posts, chu nom are already supported and added into Unicode through CJKV unified ide

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T180345: Add monolingual language code vi-hani

GerardM added a comment. Hoi, We can only support scripts supported in Unicode. So what is the font to be used? Thanks, GerardM TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T180345 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Gera

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T180345: Add monolingual language code vi-hani

Yellowtailshark added a comment. In T180345#7916094 , @mxn wrote: > Is it technically correct to interpret the English name of Hani in ISO 15924 so literally? After all, chữ Nôm differs from chữ nho in terms of language usage and many s

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T180345: Add monolingual language code vi-hani

C933103 added a comment. In T180345#7916094 , @mxn wrote: > Ken Lunde (2009) writes that //chữ Nôm// had a dedicated script code of `Cu` in ISO 15924:2004 (which has since been s

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T180345: Add monolingual language code vi-hani

C933103 added a comment. "Hani" simply mean "Chinese[Han] characters". "vi-Hani" mean "Vietnamese, written in Chinese[Han] characters". Chu Nho, despite widely used in Vietnam in ancient time, are written according to Classical Chinese grammar, and as such should classify as Classical Chi

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T180345: Add monolingual language code vi-hani

mxn added a comment. In T180345#7916018 , @Yellowtailshark wrote: > In other words, "vi-Hani" should refer to Hán tự/Hanzi. A person reading Classical Chinese should be able to discern its meaning and not really notice the source is fro

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T180345: Add monolingual language code vi-hani

Yellowtailshark added a comment. "Hani" in ISO 15924 is Hanzi, Kanji, Hanja. In Vietnamese it's chữ Hán, Hán tự, Hán văn, or chữ Nho. Chữ Nôm was a script invented and used exclusively in Vietnam. It uses Hán tự/Hanzi as a basis, but introduces a host of characters unique to Nôm. The Bu

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T180345: Add monolingual language code vi-hani

C933103 added a comment. I have removed the Korean part of the ticket and focus on Vietnamese writing, due to problem of ambiguity of "Kore" script tag in ISO 15924, as mentioned in December 2020. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T180345 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricato

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T180345: Add monolingual language code vi-hani

C933103 renamed this task from "Add monolingual language code vi-hani, ko-kore" to "Add monolingual language code vi-hani". C933103 updated the task description. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T180345 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpref

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T180345: Add monolingual language code vi-hani, ko-kore

Popolon added a comment. It is in standard [https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Category:ISO_15924:Hani ISO 15924], and it was still used officially until the mid of the 20th century. It is still used at least by scholars and some people that like to continue to use it in Vietnam. - [[:File:

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T180345: Add monolingual language code vi-hani, ko-kore

Popolon added a comment. Is vi-x-Q8201 a standard? If it's not, why for create a new name please? They are one variant of Hani characters (called Hán tự (漢字) in vietnamese) chữ Nôm TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T180345 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/s

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T180345: Add monolingual language code vi-hani, ko-kore

mxn changed the task status from "Stalled" to "Open". TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T180345 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: mxn Cc: Popolon, Esc3300, Nikki, Mahir256, Mbch331, Amire80, jhsoby, GerardM, mxn, Liuxinyu970

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T180345: Add monolingual language code vi-hani, ko-kore

mxn added a comment. Wikidata’s Vietnamese-language lexemes are currently using `vi-x-Q8201` as the language code for chữ Nôm, as a workaround for this issue: phở : 𬖾, 頗 râu : 鬍, 𩅺, 𩭶, 𩯁 TASK DETA

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T180345: Add monolingual language code vi-hani, ko-kore

Popolon added a comment. Generally, in en.wiktionary, article in the Category:Sino-Vietnamese_word have their vi-Hani version. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:Sino-Vietnamese_words TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T180345 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikim

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T180345: Add monolingual language code vi-hani, ko-kore

Popolon added a comment. On the vietnamese wikipedia: https://vi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chữ_Hán - 名 “danh” - 書 “thư” - 文 “văn” - 字 “tự” - 漢字 “Hán tự”. Or more specialized article: https://vi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chữ_Nôm TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T180345

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T180345: Add monolingual language code vi-hani, ko-kore

Popolon added a comment. The Wiktionary as a lot of samples in vi-Hani. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/留#Vietnamese TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T180345 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Popolon Cc: Popolon, Esc330

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T180345: Add monolingual language code vi-hani, ko-kore

Esc3300 updated the task description. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T180345 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Esc3300 Cc: Esc3300, Nikki, Mahir256, Mbch331, Amire80, jhsoby, GerardM, mxn, Liuxinyu970226, Aklapper, revi,

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T180345: Add monolingual language code vi-hani, ko-kore

Esc3300 changed the task status from "Open" to "Stalled". Esc3300 added a comment. This is still lacks samples, despite the request at T180345#6710271 (see Requirements_for_a_new_language_code

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T180345: Add monolingual language code vi-hani, ko-kore

mxn added a comment. In T180345#6710271 , @Nikki wrote: > I think it would be useful to see some examples of how these would be used/what they would be used for. > > I'm not sure that `ko-kore` (or `ko-hani`) would be the best way to

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T180345: Add monolingual language code vi-hani, ko-kore

C933103 added a comment. Should the task be spilt to two? In T180345#6709988 , @Mahir256 wrote: > I'd just like to note that the Suppress-Script value for Korean according to the official subtag registry

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T180345: Add monolingual language code vi-hani, ko-kore

Nikki added a comment. I think it would be useful to see some examples of how these would be used/what they would be used for. I'm not sure that `ko-kore` (or `ko-hani`) would be the best way to add text containing hanja because wouldn't we want it to be linked to the corresponding hang

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T180345: Add monolingual language code vi-hani, ko-kore

Mahir256 added a comment. I'd just like to note that the Suppress-Script value for Korean according to the official subtag registry is in fact Kore (meaning ko-Kore as a code is redundant in the eyes of a n

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T180345: Add monolingual language code vi-hani, ko-kore

Mbch331 added a comment. In T180345#6458503 , @jhsoby wrote: > These seem reasonable to me, but I'd like to see if @Amire80 has any comments. Ping @Amire80 Could you please respond? TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T180345: Add monolingual language code vi-hani, ko-kore

mxn updated the task description. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T180345 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: mxn Cc: Mbch331, Amire80, jhsoby, GerardM, mxn, Liuxinyu970226, Aklapper, revi, C933103, Akuckartz, Nandana, Lahi,

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T180345: Add monolingual language code vi-hani, ko-kore

mxn added a comment. Adding chữ Nôm would be a nice improvement for Vietnamese-language Wikimedia projects as well as for federated projects. For example, an infobox at the Vietnamese Wikipedia could display the historical chữ Nôm name of a place or person. OpenStreetMap currently has a nonn

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T180345: Add monolingual language code vi-hani, ko-kore

Mbch331 added a comment. In T180345#6458503 , @jhsoby wrote: > These seem reasonable to me, but I'd like to see if @Amire80 has any comments. Ping @Amire80 Can you respond to jhsoby? TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T180345: Add monolingual language code vi-hani, ko-kore

Bugreporter removed a parent task: T144272: [DO NOT USE] new monolingual language code requests for Wikidata (tracking) [superseded by #language_codes]. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T180345 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T180345: Add monolingual language code vi-hani, ko-kore

jhsoby added a subscriber: Amire80. jhsoby added a comment. These seem reasonable to me, but I'd like to see if @Amire80 has any comments. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T180345 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: jhsoby

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T180345: Add monolingual language code vi-hani, ko-kore

jhsoby added a project: Language codes. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T180345 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: jhsoby Cc: jhsoby, GerardM, mxn, Liuxinyu970226, Aklapper, revi, C933103, Akuckartz, darthmon_wmde, Nandana,