e that
attributing something to "anon-655345" is a bit silly, but equally I
don't think we can practically insist that a vanishing user is
required to relinquish their copyrights before we let them vanish.
A.
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alternative would be to close off unregistered contributions, which
has been discussed repeatedly in the past and is generally unpopular.
But it's achievable with our current setup, and if you want to change
things advocating for that might be a better appro
ry interesting, and rewards a read:
http://www.zerogeography.net/search/label/Wikipedia
As it happens, they're currently hiring for a research assistant at
the moment, so if anyone's interested in being a "Quantitative
Internet Geographer/Sociologist"...
http://www.zerogeography.net/2013
der
Removal from the main category should (again, an aspirational
"should") only occur when we are completely splitting it into gender
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Delightfully, it turns out that someone had done exactly this months
ago, and is now running a contest to pick the best:
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/02/19/vote-most-exciting-research-about-wikipedia/
Thanks for the other suggestions,
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hich will cover research about/with WP
and other WM projects, and I'm curious to know what people think would
be most interesting as examples. I've a few, but the things I find
interesting are often unusual :-)
Suggestions appreciated!
Thanks,
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ght) infoboxes or very few headings.
* It's not clear what would happen to our usual mass of footer
navboxes, most of which assume full-width screens. Perhaps they could
be migrated to the side columns?
Major quibbles
* Languages have got lost entirely! (again...)
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ists in 2013" message
might help make non-enwiki readers of wikimedia-l a bit less
overwelmed ;-)
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s always been 40,000 editors +- 5%.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_editor_numbers_2007-2012_recalculated_-_Non-English_Wikipedias_only.svg
One last interesting point: the 2010 drop was mostly a non-en.wp
event; the drop on en.wp was proportionall
example, over the last few centuries. Even in the
simplest cases (pure coverage numbers) it's an interesting tool for
understanding our coverage and how that reflects systemic biases.
I'm interested to hear that you categorised for a large set - did it
work smoothly, labour-intensiveness aside
iscussion archives and
can't seem to pin it down. It's probably pre-2004, maybe even pre-2003
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tem would be fairly
ineffective. It's an awful lot of bureaucratic overhead, especially
for something that is fundamentally still a wiki and continually under
change!
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practice we probably don't have the number of people
needed to handle that...
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eptive to tell Duolingo users that
they are doing a Wikipedia task when they aren’t."
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Did you test first links, incidentally? My anecdotal experience has
been that someone adding a spammy link is more likely to add it to the
top of the list than someone adding a non-spammy one would be...
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they
have nontrivial content and serve as more than a placeholder.
Putting these together, I would make a wild stab at saying that it is
unlikely more than half our BLPs - about a quarter of a million
entries - are stubs. I'm not sure I'd go as low as 100,000, but it&#
he facts and reports not-X, Wikipedia insists on X -
where the third party turned out to be wrong in their interpretation
of the facts, for one reason or another. So it does require a certain
level of caution and common sense...
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of
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Articles_to_be_merged
All are hidden, so they shouldn't display on the article pages.
There's a full set of tracking categories here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_maintenance_categories_sorted_by_month
(some go back an alarmingly l
ght have been
worthwhile. Something to add to the list for next time we have some
mass short-notice discussion like this - though, hopefully, that won't
be for another ten years!
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scripted on the toolserver
as a stand-in?
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#x27;s been done with HotCat, and
implement a "remove this tag" link on the template itself. Click this,
you get a little line saying "are the problems still here?", click
yes, and it loads-and-saves the change in the same way that a HotCat
category change works.
Thoughts? This would
t a lot of traffic and are unlikely
to have drastic flaws, to study as a defined set...)
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less than *0.005%*
of available articles got purchased in that period - and that those
were mostly at the cheapest end of the spectrum (averaging ~$6).
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he general collections.
If you can read all three without a login or without being on a
network belonging to a member, it's worked :-)
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ropose the removal of all outline articles. All
articles currently named "Outline of ..." would be renamed "List of
... topics". If there is already a list of that name, the two would be
merged."
(Presented without comment; I'm not quite sure what I myself think o
approach is a good
marker of someone acting in bad faith. We can (and do) deplore it, but
it's hard to stamp out a deliberately and tendentiously over-literal
approach to verification!
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of the WMF budget.
My interpretation here is that the IT costs may be purely "physical"
and not include the development staff - the depreciation figures seem
too high to make sense otherwise. There's no staff breakdown, though.
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tle benefit I can see to be gained by
chasing JSTOR here, and a real risk of poisoning the waters for future
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sked us. It's okay to correct errors in good faith ; but you
have to work with the community ; tread carefully when doing anything
that might be non-neutral ; and if you do it badly it'll blow up in
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author private, in a trustable fashion - and do this all in a way that
works for *us*. Are there existing services out there which *do*
undertake to verify the identity of their users which we could work
off, or are we going to have to create one - at suitab
iying"
identity of accounts on request, which is something of a double-edged
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relucant to use
OTRS as a sort of "private editorial corrections database", for
various reasons, not least that it would probably produce more drama
than it prevents!
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any reasonable solution is good. If we were to actually encourage
the creation of one - presuming this site isn't quite what we're after
- how would it work? This might be a good opportunity to encourage an
independent but useful "right of reply" project...
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the timeframe in twenty-eight (!) volumes. I have never seen their
work, I admit, but I'd be intrigued to...
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So even by a *highly
conservative* estimate, taking for the sake of argument that we have
100% coverage of living biographies and that the number of people
notable before the late nineteenth century was trivial, there'd still
be, at the very least, a million notable past biographies still
waiting
mplate?
Are we not risking throwing the baby out with the bathwater, here?
whatlinkshere is a useful tool, but so are large templates - limiting
the latter to benefit the former seems a bit of a zero-sum game.
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* Article7
Something like this for template links would be an ideal solution, I
think - it'd let us see the template links, which are still useful for
various purposes, whilst keeping them distinct from "real" links. I am
not sure how much more of a logistic hassle this wou
;export=&exportnowrap=
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ossible for you to pick the geneid number out of your
export and then run an additional export on Template:PBB/$number and
Template:PBB_Gallery/$number. Would that be sufficient?
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interest, requests for help from specific other Wikipedians, the
beginning of a provocative argument that someone simply must fill in,
etc. The purpose of this rule is to encourage others to keep working
on the wiki."
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http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=PhilosophyAndLogic&oldid=272836
...we'd only done the last one of those.
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affect
their end product)
Perhaps we've bypassed the feeder-wiki stage by absorbing them before
they even formed - and once it's there, why split?
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books with links to our articles, put
our logo in the top, splash their name everywhere, and see if they
squeal... ;-)
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available at: [link]. Additional or other terms may apply. See
Wikipedia Terms of Use for details."
I'm intrigued by the ambivalent "may be available under"...
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One prose sentence! But on the other hand, a demographic table, and a
map, and an infobox, and some statistics, and a navbox. Stub or not
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is less than
the proportion created in, say, 2006, but I don't have much evidence
to back that up.
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donyms.
From the search perspective, of course, we could use "silent"
redirects (ones not noted in the article text), but some (especially
latinised names) are essential to have clearly available to the
reader. Maybe an infobox section would be appropriate here?
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s 193K? in size.. what's that in pages?
Not counting footnotes and so on, it's approximately 16,000 words; say
40-50 pages of a book, or about a normal chapter. Which seems right,
for a "very large article".
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explicitly illegal. The first example I can think of is the NASA logo,
which we mark accordingly:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:NASA_logo.svg
- note the third template.
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actually stop you making pictures
of the designs on them.
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oughly
speaking, the smaller the project the higher the proportion of bot
edits:
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is the situation where loading a page
prompts a message asking to download the file rather than displaying
it, a known IE bug - I encounter this myself occasionally on enwiki,
but rarely anywhere else, and once a month or so see an email about
it. That one certainly feels more than j
'm tending towards c) - page zoom can often be altered by things like
mouse-wheel scrolling, which you get a lot when moving through long
pages, of which we obviously have plenty. But I'd be interested if
anyone has any other explanations for the phenomenon, and if w
The problem arises when the scope of a sub-article is such that it's
almost forkish by nature - [[A's views on Topic X]], [[B's views on
Topic X]], etc. It's a bit hazier here - but as long as we keep the
emphasis on writing about the views, rather than presenting them
Jesus]] or [[Cultural depictions of Jesus]] are, and
*not* as seperate forms of the main article. The trick is in getting
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es of the Other Party]]; it would not be legitimate to have
an article on [[Economics (Somethingian)]] as a counter to [[Economics
(Otherian)]].
Where you draw the line, though, is quite tricky...
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onfused by it - then why not schedule
in some articles that we expect it not to work very well on? It could
be it has unexpectedly less terrible effects.
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even if it has, the community can
> change
> its mind at any time. ;-)
Someone proposed the daily FAs, which I think are an excellent idea
from an exposure perspective, but I don't know whether that got the
nod or not.
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otherwise it'll seem a bit arbitrary and a
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BLPs are quoted a few times as examples, and they're certainly
expected to be a large portion of the workload of this, but none of
the recent plans have explicitly aimed for such a restriction.
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improved version.
On the other hand, that's only a very small fraction of protections. I
can't immediately think of any others - now we can selectively delete
revisions easily, the cases where a page is locked to deal with a
particularly f
ensible idea. I take it there'll be a central indicator somewhere of
which pages (and how many) are protected, so we don't have to discover
the limit by accident?
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doable.
Are there any technical limits beyond a page count? Can we - for
example - use it on talk pages or redirects?
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's perfectly fair for a soundbite. You could hedge a little if
> you wanted. E.g., "The trial's mainly starting with" or "mainly focused on".
How about "including some of..." - we have discussed them before,
after all, so they'll probably end up claiming
tion of normal editing :-)
But if we include the word "later" it should be okay.
The second problem is that I think we've dropped the BLP issue - many
protected pages are BLPs, but they're not the special targets for
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early pointing to the page describing the implemented
version.
This is probably worth using the sitenotice for logged-in users, or at
least the watchlist notice, as well.
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is probably going to be
approximately the same regardless of what the hurdles are... unless we
come back full circle to raising the barriers so high that we
significantly reduce the number of *all* articles submitted, and
that's undesirable for a whole host of reasons.
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they realise it
(mostly) isn't one.
"This edit is queued and awaiting approval".
On the other hand, neither "revision queue", "queued revisions" or the
same for "edit" really sound right.
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jargony than "edit".
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The problem to me is that "delayed editing" implies there's a specific
delay before edits go live, and that it's to a degree automatic,
rather than a variable delay as a result of the need for manual
approval. (A five-minute delay is quite an interesting thought,
actu
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the content of the search box and puts it directly into
special:search, and then presents that along with links to Commons,
wikisource, etc, and - prominently - the various advanced-search
options (search project space, etc).
Thoughts?
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such change in about seven
different ways, so it may not help much... ;-)
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t, because the
program got cancelled. A self-updating text would be fine in the first
half, but quite problematic in the latter.
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te is purely
> informational.
Like the disjoint between "this page is protected" and, well, protecting it.
I believe we have a bot to notify for cases of the latter - perhaps
extending it to things like the image blacklist would be a good idea?
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and January 2009:
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I suspect this points up a problem with maintenance more than initial
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meow" was removed on 17 November,
some days before the UK press ran a number of mephedrone stories using
the doubled term "meow meow". (...) An earlier story in the Irish
edition of the Daily Mirror, on 15 September, had already given "meow"
as the
On 11 February 2010 17:17, Carcharoth wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Andrew Gray
> wrote:
>
>> b) Use reversions. Sample a thousand uses of rollback from the recent
>> changes list, find time between that edit and the one it was
>> reverting.
>
>
lback or undo, because there's higher odds the article's been
edited since.
Any other ideas?
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ubt this is *practical* in the near term, of course, but it's a
thought. Any other ideas?
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it's obscured - then it's an interesting flag. I'm
not sure I support this idea at all, but it's one way to help
distinguish that old question of how we determine public figures!
Still, that's beyond the scope of this discussion...
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ult an *unarguable* good - is something
we should be actively looking out for.
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ey were
textually bad, not conceptually bad, and people are encouraged to
recreate them as better versions.
(and now, back to planning my trip)
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ey in people's wills,
and turned out to be untraceable. In the UK alone, that comes to some
fifteen billion pounds - probably more -
http://www.uar.co.uk/benefit.htm
http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/d/unclaimedassets_uacc.pdf
If that much is sitting around as realisable cash, what hope a few
intang
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off by a system that you don't see unless you look at it" is going to
kill the instant-editing culture, somehow.
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We can test this by using a different keyword and seeing how it builds
the extract:
[the box mintz wikipedia]
The Box (2009 film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"On the topic of the negative reaction to The Box, Mintz blamed the
film's ending and was quoted as saying
ki, which let people
annotate search results:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_SearchWiki
...and I suspect it may remain about as obscure.
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ed? I suppose if it *is* then
something weird might happen, but this seems to be a bit of an
improbable situation. Worth testing, though, for the
delete-then-recreate situations...
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we have a basic set of patrolled revisons up and
running, NPP becomes almost entirely moot, a special case of what'll
be happening anyway, and presumably the system will be quietly turned
off once PR is well-understood.
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2009/9/27 Andrew Gray :
> 2009/9/27 Thomas Dalton :
>
>> There may be an issue with only having some pages under the review
>> system - we will need to split effort between RC-patrol and
>> ORP-patrol. Hopefully that will happen organically, but we will need
>> to kee
uch if it's
backlogged, because *it's invisible*; edits show up whether or not
they've been patrolled, and it just gives us an internal monitoring
tool.
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lmost a million article pages - even with a
massive proliferation of flagged-protection, there's not going to be
anywhere near that order of magnitude on the enwiki implementation.
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d up as an article in its own
right, should an article about the protagonist really be able to?
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this, so I'm keeping quiet about
> it.
It might be interesting to examine the trend on de.wp - here, the net
drop in IP edits seems to have been part of an overall long-term
trend.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Hut_8.5/German_editing_stats
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