In light of recent events I would support the creation of a new list dedicated
to creating policy for mailing lists, provided it was open to any participant
and itself was not moderated.
Any moderated list, dedicated to discussing moderation, is open to abuse by any
selected moderators.? I'm on
Steve confirm the *reason* you put me on moderation.
I'm sure that it will be quite interesting.
-Original Message-
From: Steve Bennett
To: English Wikipedia
Sent: Tue, Sep 22, 2009 1:30 am
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Moderation (was: Stick this in your music theory and
smoke it.)
The group itself should be able to have a voice in what is and what is not
policy for the group.
As well the group should be able to know what *policy-based* actions are being
taken and why.
Shining light on moderator actions, ensures that moderators take action that is
fair, impartial, and ap
In a message dated 9/20/2009 10:02:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
werespielchequ...@googlemail.com writes:
> As for "Every system should be open to audit review by anyone who
> wishes to do so. " This may at first glance sound like an attractive
> slogan. But if my GP or my bank adopted such a po
In a message dated 9/19/2009 12:05:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
dgoodma...@gmail.com writes:
> The best practical way to audit admin actions is to become an admin
> oneself. Admins have just as many conflicts among them as any other
> active people here. There are people I watch, and people wh
Jay you are confusing "source-based research" with "original research".
If you research something to *confirm* it by researching in sources, you are
not doing original research.? If you research it by repeating experiments then
you would be.
I doubt that any textbook author confirms their sourc
But your response sounds like "There's no problem".? And I just pointed out the
problem.? Just go to wiki.answers.com for example, answer a few questions, then
check back in a month.
Even though people read articles, they aren't voting.
That's not the same as a poll, where you deliberately creat
I have to modify my comments, because after toying around at
wiki.answers.com the voting system doesn't work.
It's the same issue at Knol in general. I get over a thousand "views" a
day of my knols and very very rarely does anyone "vote" my articles either up
or down. There has been suspicion
In a message dated 9/14/2009 1:30:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
ft2.w...@gmail.com writes:
> If someone writes a paper and knowledge later advances, let the paper be
> updated; provided the update is also peer reviewed it'll mean the topic's
> paper is always latest knowledge. Not how it traditio
Here is their sign-up page
http://www.scholarpedia.org/wiki/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&;
create=yes
Notice the requirement to be "affiliated" with some institution.
So again the entire concept of Scholarpedia is limited to universities and
possibly a few research laboratories.
I believe t
In a message dated 9/13/2009 2:48:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
brian.min...@colorado.edu writes:
> Clearly, this information will not be ported back to Wikipedia.>>
This is a reminder of what you said.
I don't see why it's clear. You don't say "should" or "cannot" or "dont
want" but rather "W
In a message dated 9/13/2009 3:27:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
brian.min...@colorado.edu writes:
> How is this different than the "peer review" at Wikipedia?>>
Wikipedia has no peer review at all.
I can make an edit and it instantly appears.
In addition, I get no "credit" line for my work.
Wiki
In a message dated 9/13/2009 3:21:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
brian.min...@colorado.edu writes:
> There is no such requirement. It is a correlation only.>>
There is. Right on the main sign-up page
""An editor of Scholarpedia should satisfy the following requirements:
Have a PhD or MD.""
I t
My question Brian was to your remark that this would not pass into
Wikipedia. Your response didn't address why you think that. By "pass into" I
mean
cited in, quoted in, not *COPIED* obviously. We don't allow copy-paste
right now.
So all I can think is that you meant, that we should not cit
In a message dated 9/13/2009 3:19:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
ft2.w...@gmail.com writes:
> Papers are reviewed annually, or upon major new information, so they
>become a living document -- the paper on the higgs boson as it is now,
> and
>the same paper as it was a year, 2 years ago, s
Brian, scholarpedia doesn't work as a replacement for wikijournal (or
whatever we decide to call it) because they require each editor to have a PhD
or
MD.
Some fields of endeavor, for which a person could indeed be a qualified
expert, and perhaps the leading expert in the world, don't even hav
In a message dated 9/13/2009 2:48:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
brian.min...@colorado.edu writes:
> Clearly, this information will not be ported back to Wikipedia. >>
Why is this clear? It isn't clear to me.
Will
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In a message dated 9/13/2009 2:14:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
bluecalioc...@me.com writes:
> The "letter" of releasing Mediawiki to the
> public mean anyone can use it for any purpose, but the "spirit"
> dictates that if you don't intend to have people edit it in a
> "Wikipedia-style" fas
If "wiki" means quick then it would be quick in that the time between
writing and full publication should be much shorter than traditional in print
journals.
If "wiki" means anyone can edit it, then it wouldn't be a wiki.
If wiki only means that *you* and your *peers* can quickly edit it online
In a message dated 9/13/2009 9:46:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
dgoodma...@gmail.com writes:
> This is somewhat similar to Citizendium, except their peer-review is
> open, as is currently also considered a good practice. they haven't
> gotten very far with it, and they seem to have almost all of
Simple fixes to this proposal.
Use WikiJournal. Add peer-review to it.
Why not? Allow some WikiJournal articles to become more trusted than
others.
Will Johnson
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In a message dated 9/12/2009 9:35:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
szv...@gmail.com writes:
> According to the* Telegraph* one of Matthews (who is a 22 year-old
> graphic
> design) goals is to sell it. In theory, he could sell all of Wikipedia
> article space content... 3,031,886 would give him an
The original point was that if a deletion was "out of process" (which is not
the same thing as speedy), than that is a valid reason to restore it.
"Out of process" not meaning "there is no process for this" but rather meaning
"we have a process, which you did not follow."? Two different things.
But I'm not equating "speedy" with "out-of-process", you are.
I'm saying they are two different things.
I never stated that we have a process for speedy, since that wasn't the point I
was making.
-Original Message-
From: Tony Sidaway
To: English Wikipedia
Sent: Fri, Sep 11, 20
In a message dated 9/11/2009 8:39:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
tonysida...@gmail.com writes:
> Possibly you don't. But the speedy deletion has no process, the only
> recourse is review.>>
My understanding and usage in-world has always been that "out-of-process"
means not that "we have a polic
Are you equating the phrase "out of process" to the word "speedy" ?
I don't see those two as being the same thing.
-Original Message-
From: Tony Sidaway
To: English Wikipedia
Sent: Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:59 pm
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Deletion of unreferenced living person biograph
That's funny your link got it's final character cut off in my email box so it
didn't work.
Testing whether this link will work...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Wilson_%28U.S._politician%29
-Original Message-
From: Keith Old
To: English Wikipedia
Sent: Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:38 pm
Subj
In a message dated 9/10/2009 11:33:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
george.herb...@gmail.com writes:
> Of course, that's a 5-metric-ton weapon, which is not militarily
> useful at this point.>>
I can think of a few uses.
Will
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In a message dated 9/10/2009 8:56:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
stv...@gmail.com writes:
> > Let's suppose you have in your possession exact detailed plans for a
> > small H-bomb. Would you think you could simply put it into Wikipedia?
>
> Only if we have reliable, well-researched, and peer-revi
In a message dated 9/10/2009 7:35:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
tonysida...@gmail.com writes:
> "Out of process deletion" isn't a valid reason to restore. "Good for
> the encyclopedia" is.>>
That's right your honor. We beat the various innocent family members of
the criminal senseless in orde
In a message dated 9/10/2009 6:34:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
fredb...@fairpoint.net writes:
> To a certain extent this
> conversation has been about, "Common sense, what's common sense?, I don't
> want no stinking commons sense, I'll work to rule and, if harm results,
> tough!, Harm to Wikiped
In a message dated 9/10/2009 6:26:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
fredb...@fairpoint.net writes:
> That is what the Foundation does in such cases, they pass information on
> from outside sources that are knowledgeable about the situation.>>
>
Or, at we've seen, outside souces which create false i
In a message dated 9/10/2009 5:48:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
fredb...@fairpoint.net writes:
> We should not publish up-to-date and accurate
> information on how to create great harm whether it is about A-bombs or
> reporters held captive by the Taliban, and we don't, >>
Just to repeat by way
In a message dated 9/10/2009 3:42:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
surreptitious.wikiped...@googlemail.com writes:
> I nominate Will as the person making press statements when someone does
> write the how to make a H-Bomb article.>>
I would like to thank all the little people I stepped on, on my c
In a message dated 9/10/2009 3:36:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
surreptitious.wikiped...@googlemail.com writes:
> Didn't they link
> to the situation and its resolution? How would that not be a consensus?>>
>
I have no idea how linking creates a consensus.
So I can't really address this.
Will
Easily confused?
I picture you as a sort of Rachel Welch, with thigh-high boots and a
whip in a minidress
Firstly, your email icon is a kitten is it not?
Secondly your message "how does this relate?" sound like you are
cracking your whip at the group for being bad and chatting.
-Origin
Emily wrote:
<>
Your new nickname is "Kitten with a Whip"
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-Original Message-
From: geni
To: English Wikipedia
Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2009 3:32 pm
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Another Media and Wikipedia blackout on NYT
reporter in Afghanistan
2009/9/9 :
> The entire argument about keeping the names of kidnap victims secret
to
> me is flat. I do not
It's a bit of a mistaken idea that the issue with H bombs is their
"plans".
The method of making an H bomb is widely known.
The problem is not the blueprints. It's creating the necessary
equipment in order to enrich the uranium in the first place. Not a
cheap thing to do. Everyone however kno
I don't think the point is "needing to reach" but rather it's "slapping
the hand that reaches".
Which is a little more pro-active, and less passive sounding.
Is our position to be that, with a reliable source, we need multiple
sources "in these cases" as Fred puts it. And I really don't know wha
Interesting here is what they say about themselves
"
Press TV takes revolutionary steps as the first Iranian international
news network, broadcasting in English on a round-the-clock basis.
Our global Tehran-based headquarters is staffed with outstanding
Iranian and foreign media professionals.
Well what were the sources?
Someone mentioned that there were sources, but didn't mention what.
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"Do no harm" isn't a consensus however.
That language is so incredibly vague it could be taken to mean almost
anything.
Fred we've been over this many times on this list :)
You really want to do it again?
We have articles on murder victims which appear on the top of Google,
keeping that fresh in
I really don't see this as IAR.
It seems the argument is that it's firmly BLP policy. That for some
reason (inexplicable apparently), keeping the name of a kipnap victim
secret, helps them to not be killed. Personally the argument seems
flat to me. But at any rate, if we were to have a discus
Investigative Journalism should go to WikiNews.
BTW does Wikinews have any traction yet?
I mean does it hit the first googly page ?
-Original Message-
From: David Gerard
To: fredb...@fairpoint.net; English Wikipedia
Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:24 pm
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Another Media
We are supposed to be community-driven.
Where is the community consensus on media blackouts?
Link please.
Will Johnson
-Original Message-
From: Carcharoth
To: English Wikipedia
Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:03 pm
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Another Media and Wikipedia blackout on NYT
reporte
I dispute that this is my private meaning.
And I propose that this is the standard meaning.
As well as the inworld meaning.
-Original Message-
From: David Gerard
To: English Wikipedia
Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2009 1:48 am
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Secondary sources
2009/9/9 :
> What
What I said, and what I've been saying is that any source which is our
first incident of a particular "fact" is a primary source, no matter
what their source was.
-Original Message-
From: Ray Saintonge
To: wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Sent: Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:44 pm
Subject: Re: [WikiEN
And I'd like to add contract violation *may* be illegal, there are
loopholes large enough to swim an elephant through, which is why
lawyers like contracts. No such thing as an unbreakable contract.
You may have heard about these lawyers that are suing mortgage
companies because they didn't exp
In a message dated 9/6/2009 12:09:41 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
stevag...@gmail.com writes:
>
> Just to hijack the thread...Once a site is blacklisted, is there any
> way to link to it? I had the situation recently that I wanted to
> reference a site (squidoo.com from memory) but it was blacklis
In a message dated 9/5/2009 2:37:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
thomas.dal...@gmail.com writes:
> Either Google or the publisher/author of the book you viewed. People
> get sued for bypassing DRM, why couldn't they be sued for bypassing
> restrictions on Google books?>>
Google suffers no damage f
In a message dated 9/5/2009 2:10:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
wikim...@inbox.org writes:
> But the link should go to a generic page which potentially works with
> more sites than just Google Books, like [[Special:BookSources]].>>
I like that. Make Google Books just one of the options. I can
In a message dated 9/5/2009 1:22:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com writes:
> Yup, there is a reason the wjhon...@aol.com mails still have a killfile
> chez moi. Managing to miss the point that if a link appears broken to
> anyone in the world it might simply get remo
In a message dated 9/5/2009 1:18:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
thomas.dal...@gmail.com writes:
> Contract violation *is* illegal. (Assuming a website ToS is a binding
> contract - has that ever been tested in court?)>>
Piffle. Who is going to sue? Who has standing to sue?
I really see this as
No people *should* break and ignore stupid rules :)
Just like the pigs do.
What you didn't live during the '60s ?
I mean it's not like you're going to be sued by WMG for 2.4 million .
W.J. "fight the man"
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Charles a few things.
You do not need to be in the US to read a Google Book. There is a thing
called proxy or super proxy or something of that sort, which will mask where
you are, and thus allow anyone to read a book as if they were in the US.
Secondly I like the idea of asking Google Books to
Tony gets the Gary Cooper award for this week.
Or in particular the "Meet John Doe" award
http://knol.google.com/k/chair-potato/gary-cooper-movies-on-youtube/hyujx7mco9jp/32
-Original Message-
From: Tony Sidaway
To: English Wikipedia
Sent: Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:55 pm
Subject: Re: [WikiEN
While poking over my Google Analytics I discovered this odd thing I
think they call it a "Bounce" rate ?
It's supposed to measure how often people come to your *one page* and
then bounce away without sticking to your site to read others related
pages. That sounds like what you're talking about
No that was someone's idea, but not mine.
I like having the "Make a Comment" button at the bottom of each
article, as this would mimic what readers are used to seeing at other
sites.
I don't that this would create a seperate section on the Talk page
however, as I think this would clutter the Tal
In a message dated 9/3/2009 7:24:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
majorly.w...@googlemail.com writes:
> Or worse, "THIS PERSON IS A DIRTY PEDO1!!" (or something as bad).
> Could
> be problematic for BLPs.>>
--
We already get that. So this wouldn't change that issue.
In a message dated 9/3/2009 7:21:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
bluecalioc...@me.com writes:
> Yeah, but see, the thing is, you don't "own" the blog. The person
> writing it does (well, technically, the blog hosting service does).
> They have the right to not have a comment show up. We could u
I think I like "Comment on this page" at the bottom, but I'm hesitant
to endorse that creating a section on the discussion (Talk) page. I
have a reason for my hesitation.
Sometimes readers comments on say "Patty Hearst" might be something
like "Oh I remember when this occurred, I was in the se
I just today noticed a new interesting thing while doing a Google search.
Under each result there is a cloud looking thing and if you hover it it
says "Comment". So I tried it.
Would someone else try this Google search
"arsenic and old lace" youtube
Just like that with the quotes and
In a message dated 8/31/2009 11:47:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
ft2.w...@gmail.com writes:
>- WikiTrust might be described as "a way to see how long an edit
> endured
>and how much trust it seems to have"; in most users' hands it'll be
> "its
>colored red/blue so its right/wrong."
Or if everybody knows how to "game" then the gaming advantage vanishes.
Full disclosure can also level the field.
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Here's one
http://www.travelfurther.net/dictionaries/ba-tz.htm
he doesn't have "Trolley" though, I think that's one of the funniest ones
he doesnt list
To Brits a trolley is the cart you push around a grocery store.
To Americans a trolley is a streetcar usually electric and old-fashioned
and qu
In a message dated 8/30/2009 6:22:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
carcharot...@googlemail.com writes:
> We have those. I've heard Americans refer to "garage sales". We
> (Brits) have those sometimes, but more often we take stuff to a local
> charity shop, or a school's "jumble sale", or stick stuff
Just last week I was out at a local flea market (is this the same phrase in
British English?), and I asked a junk-book seller if he's ever seen the
book "Foster Family" by Buddy Foster. I explained that Buddy was Jody Foster's
older brother who had actually had a TV career several years before
How do we know who twit? or tweet?
When a celebrity has an official web page, we can be fairly certain that
what is posted there as the core content is by their own authority.
How do you do that with tweets?
In a message dated 8/29/2009 12:04:01 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
carcharot...@go
I don't use a signature. Blame the AOL programming bastards for
spamming my email.
-Original Message-
From: Soxred93
To: English Wikipedia
Sent: Fri, Aug 28, 2009 8:19 pm
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] How to Not Bite was Positives to publicity
Nice signature... I found this in my
Dude!
Conspirapedia is not taken!
What a fantabulous website that would be
Get on it.
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Lack of visible reward. Yes I think that's is it, or part of it anyway.
It's why I've been fixated at Knol for a while. Wanting to see my own
name in lights.
Too bad Wikipedia couldn't have a sister project for publishing
scholarly papers.
Or could we? Or do we?
Will Johnson
-Original M
I... friggin... love it.
And I rarely love anything at all. I mean I don't even love Cheetos,
although I like it.
But this page you linked is the first time I've ever encountered anyone
doing this.
It's the wave of the future! I wish I had the technical ability to do
it, or the time.
I'm like
Maybe that was the name, I can't remember.
I think they tried to welcome me once, and I put my boots up on the
table, pulled the cigar out of my mouth and said, "Make my day fat boy".
Or it's possible that was a movie I saw.
-Original Message-
From: Emily Monroe
To: English Wikipedi
The last book of Wikipedia was too fluffy. I prefer reality.
Gritty, in the trenches, kick sand in your face, thumb wrestle to the
death!
Tabloid style.
-Original Message-
From: FT2
To: English Wikipedia
Sent: Fri, Aug 28, 2009 2:13 pm
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Positives to publicity
Only if I get to write the Drama chapter.
-Original Message-
From: FT2
To: English Wikipedia
Sent: Fri, Aug 28, 2009 1:40 pm
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Positives to publicity
I'd be all up for writing a wikibook introduction to Wikipedia. Anyone
else
interested? :)
FT2
On Fri,
Welcome Wagon, we used to have one didn't we? I don't know what happened
to it, it seems like stale news.
Free Tutor Program - new users can choose to sign up for tutoring for $10
an hour... ok or free whatever. Have you been bitten? Are you frustrated?
Do you get laid often enough? (ok sc
Evidently I am now a media darling
http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&=&q=knol+craigslist
The oddest part of this entire experience (other than the fact that it shot
me up to over 1,000 views a day), is how much of this "news" is either
simple reposting of titles with link, or bl
Go to
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Sidebar: Search Posting Archives
Type in whatever, click Search
Result
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/mmsearch/wikien-l
404 NOT FOUND
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In a message dated 8/28/2009 11:20:44 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
bluecalioc...@me.com writes:
>
> When we are done, we can revert and voila! Wikipedia has food forever!>>
-
Just imagine how many Terabytes of data are hiden under the iceberg tip
that is what the casual reade
In a message dated 8/28/2009 8:10:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
bluecalioc...@me.com writes:
> Holy cow. Is Jimbo aware of this?>>
--
Jimbo is irrelevant. We're cooking and eating him next week.
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I don't equate "second hand witness" to secondary source.
A primary source is the first source we have that describes a certain
event.
"Matilda was baptised in the Church of St Mary last Easter" is a
primary source if the author isn't merely parroting some other known
source. The author doesn't
I disagree that editing turns a primary source into a secondary source.
And I disagree that we make that distinction in-project.
I also disagree that newspaper articles are secondary sources.
Some are, some aren't.
Is the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle a primary source? Yes. Do you believe
that every eve
Sure a manuscript is an unpublished primary source, or an ancient book
only held in 12 libraries.
However if that item is published that does not create a secondary
source.
And if that item includes interviews with other people, that does not
make it a secondary source.
A primary source is mere
So what was so special about this wiki or pseudo-wiki that it became
successful ?
-Original Message-
From: Keith Old
To: English Wikipedia
Sent: Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:00 pm
Subject: [WikiEN-l] Online encyclopedia of life reaches 150,000 species
G'day folks,
Phys Org reports t
In a message dated 8/25/2009 11:12:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
andrewrtur...@googlemail.com writes:
> I had an interesting conversation with a senior BBC exec on this the
> other day. Apparently, their lawyers aren't sufficiently comfortable with the
> copyright violation checking on Wikimedi
In a message dated 8/25/2009 6:50:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
andrewrtur...@googlemail.com writes:
> Not quite. The first publication can be a secondary source, for instance
> if the New York Times publishes an article on a car accident. A primary
> source is something like a census return or
wiki doesn't mean quick to me
That derivation I think is pretty obscure.
To me when someone says "Wiki" whatever or "wiki" whatever for that
matter, it means collaborative editing.
W.J.
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To: English Wikipedia
Sent: Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:31 pm
Subject
In a message dated 8/24/2009 12:23:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
geni...@gmail.com writes:
> Birth dates and locations tend to be fairly structured within articles
> so are fairly easy to get. Dealing with a term as vauge as "celebrity"
> make the task impossible even with human intervention.>>
In a message dated 8/24/2009 10:47:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
geni...@gmail.com writes:
> Wikipedia with it's surprisingly structured
> entries is likely to be used as a significant stepping stone in this
> direction.>>
>
"What is the name of every celebrity born in
In a message dated 8/24/2009 12:29:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
arrom...@rahul.net writes:
> The problem with this argument is that it assumes that the blots aren't
> harmful. After all, if the blots really are harmful, and posting them
> really is unethical, then complaining about that should
In a message dated 8/23/2009 1:59:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
bodnot...@gmail.com writes:
>
> Do you think it would be hopelessly superseded by brain implants that
> give us access to all knowledge all of the time? Who's to say that
> that knowledge wouldn't be provided by Wikipedia?>>
>
---
Steve, news articles *in general* are primary sources.
Here is how you can tell: Is what I'm reading the first time someone has
published what I'm reading?
"So and so was hit by a car today" -- primary source, first time published.
Secondary sources collate multiple primary sources, any multip
In a message dated 8/23/2009 6:07:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
brewh...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca writes:
> http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=wikihow+enlargement+penis&meta=
> It was there on link six. >>
>
It's a bit rough to complain about Wikihow in this regard. It
In a message dated 8/23/2009 4:53:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
brewh...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca writes:
> The search for "bees" and "flowers" suggests "pollination". I do not see
> anything mindless about that. That is a human association>>
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You're not understanding me. An ar
In a message dated 8/22/2009 11:24:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
bodnot...@gmail.com writes:
> I do sometimes get into the mindset of thinking "everything I do with
> Wikipedia might be a waste of time" because I envision it collapsing,
> dying, being fatally attacked or somesuch.>>
>
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In a message dated 8/22/2009 8:59:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
kgnp...@gmail.com writes:
> Right well, I'll start brushing up on my Breton and by the time I get
> around
> to learning Vietnamese the sun will have obliterated the earth and
> Wikipedia
> as we know it.>>--
I will wager
In a message dated 8/22/2009 8:04:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
carcharot...@googlemail.com writes:
> Will, is this genealogy webpage reliable at all?
>
> http://gilles.maillet.free.fr/histoire/famille_bourgogne/famille_vienne.htm
> >>
Well one thing I always cauti
In a message dated 8/22/2009 6:44:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
stv...@gmail.com writes:
> How is it claimed that we are bound to English spelling only, and yet
> permit all the Nordic, Germanic, and French characters* - few of which
> most *English* speakers know the pronunciation of. (*?)>>
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In a message dated 8/22/2009 12:42:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
carcharot...@googlemail.com writes:
> *a département of France
> *a French river
> *a French city
> *the French name for Vienna>>
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The Council of Vienne.
Also apparently Vienne is a surname, I'm sure w
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