[Wikimedia-l] Re: Arabic Wikipedia day of action

I would like to thank Farah, as well as Itzik and others, for their messages and the explanation of their contexts. I don't think further open-ended discussion on wikimedia-l would be productive for this topic. Thanks, Richard (User:Pharos) On Sat, Dec 23, 2023 at 11:03 AM James Heilman wrote:

[Wikimedia-l] Re: ChatGPT and Wikipedia

I'd like to share my experiment with using ChapGPT to help write an article on English Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artwork_title You can see an explanation of the process here, your comments are welcome: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Artwork_title#Use_of_ChatGPT Thanks, Richar

[Wikimedia-l] Black WikiHistory Month

I wanted to share the page for Black WikiHistory Month events by Afrocrowd and others, to mark Black History Month in the US (it is marked differently in other countries): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Black_WikiHistory_Month#February_2022 I'm sure there are more edit-a-thons and other

[Wikimedia-l] Nov 19: Meta-Wiki 20 Day!

Meta-Wiki is marking *20* years on Friday, 19 November 2021. Let's use it as an opportunity to celebrate and revisualization our best/worst project! *RSVP here:* https://meta.wiki20.org With virtual hosting support by WikiConference North America on their Hopin account. - Time: 15:00 UTC

[Wikimedia-l] Wednesday: Wikispore Day Unconference

You're invited to the Wikispore Day Unconference on Wednesday, July 28, marking the second anniversary of our initiative to germinate more Wikimedia wikis in new genres that have been left out of the free knowledge ecosystem: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/wikispore-day-unconference-tickets-16438778

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Join the new Regional Committees for Grants

I would like to echo Bodhisattwa's concern, and add that there is a great ambiguity here. What is the definition of "affiliate board member" being used here? A large number of affiliates are small and do not have a board, but are more informally organized. Thanks, Richard (User:Pharos) On Fri, M

[Wikimedia-l] Re: COVID-19 second wave and protection of our most valuable movement asset

I want to thank everyone at the Wikimedia Foundation (and beyond) who has helped to set up this initiative on such quick notice. I'm sure it was quite difficult to define and to implement on a crisis basis, and so glad to see something happening for our volunteers in India. Not all of these forms

Re: [Wikimedia-l] COVID-19 second wave and protection of our most valuable movement asset

Thanks Bodhi and Tito, do you perhaps have some models of non-profits that have done something similar? It's a bit hard to picture what would be the appropriate criteria and scope of such a support program. Best, Richard (User:Pharos) On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 1:57 PM টিটো দত্ত Tito Dutta wrote:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Idea of a new project: Wikifacts ?

I wanted to share the availability of Wikispore for the purpose, under the Fact Spore or perhaps a new concept: https://wikispore.wmflabs.org/wiki/Fact_Spore Here is some broader information on how the world of Wikispore works: https://wikispore.wmflabs.org/wiki/FAQ Thanks, Richard (User:Pharos

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF transfers $8.7 million to "Wikimedia Knowledge Equity Fund"

Hi Lisa and all, Thanks for your responses and thoughts. This is an important area, and key to get right with a consensus-driven approach. Are we going to announce the process for giving grants to organisations outside the movement, including the process for community involvement, in the spirit o

[Wikimedia-l] Today: Wikimania 2006 retrospective livestream (1900 UTC)

Join us today as we revisit Wikimania 2006 and the state of the movement that year, as part of the Wiki 20 Countdown! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMwvfN8x5hc Livestream is Sunday October 4 at 3pm New York / 9pm Berlin / 1900 UTC, or 15 hours after this email was senr. A project of the Wikipe

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia 20 Celebrations

I wanted to share the Wiki 20 Countdown, a series of community livestreamed events that started last month and will go through January, next up is our Wikimania Boston retrospective on Sept 13: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_20_Countdown Thanks, Richard (User:Pharos) On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sunday Wikispore Day mini-conference

/Wikispore And you can share your input and possible support here, as well as on the talk page: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikispore#Discussion And follow some updates here: https://twitter.com/wikispore Thanks, Richard (User:Pharos) On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 9:30 PM Pharos wrote: >

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2005 Flashback livestream in 2 hours

An oral history and discussion of the world of Wikimedia from 2005 to the present, seen through the lens of the annual Wikimania conference. A roundtable of panelists engage in a live video discussion (using YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, Twitch). The audience is invited to share their views and exper

[Wikimedia-l] Sunday Wikispore Day mini-conference

The event is Sunday July 19, hosted on Wikipedia Weekly Network. Time in select zones: 1:00–3:00 pm (New York City time) 17:00–19:00 UTC/GMT 19:00–21:00 Berlin time https://wikispore.wmflabs.org/wiki/Wikispore_Day You can participate on the Youtube livestream here, and text chat with the present

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Promotion of scientific racism in Wikipedia articles

Wikipedia and the Wikimedia projects should reflect the scientific consensus, whether that be on climate, vaccines, or the concept of biological "races". The latter concept is deeply tied to 19th-century pseudoscience, and is very different from modern genetic science. Genetic traits have various

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiSeder and four drinks to free knowledge

, Richard (User:Pharos) On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 10:50 AM Pharos wrote: > I would like to share our experience earlier this week with the WikiSeder, > a secular celebration of wiki wisdom and free culture for the age of the > quarantini. > > As we pass through our current plague, w

[Wikimedia-l] WikiSeder and four drinks to free knowledge

I would like to share our experience earlier this week with the WikiSeder, a secular celebration of wiki wisdom and free culture for the age of the quarantini. As we pass through our current plague, we came together from our lockdowns to retell stories of liberation and crisis overcome through fel

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps on Wikimedia Space

On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 8:49 AM Samuel Klein wrote: > Phase V confirmed! -- I hope this means related features (a calendar + > forum :) are getting included in mediawiki propre... > > 🌍🌏🌎🌑 > Indeed, it has been a mistake to keep spinning off new discussion platforms, in the hope that the next on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] World AIDS Day current events page

/Category:World_AIDS_Day_2019 Thanks, Pharos On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 8:39 AM Pharos wrote: > I'd like to share our current events page collaboration, covering Word > AIDS Day, which is today, December 1,with a compendium of events worldwide : > > https://wikispore.wmflabs.org/wiki/Event:World_AI

[Wikimedia-l] World AIDS Day current events page

I'd like to share our current events page collaboration, covering Word AIDS Day, which is today, December 1,with a compendium of events worldwide : https://wikispore.wmflabs.org/wiki/Event:World_AIDS_Day_2019 I encourage anyone interested to edit and expand and update this page, and to make it mo

[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Wiki Loves Pride--Extended to July 31!

us know if you could use assistance adapting anything to your language Wikipedia. Thanks, Pharos -- Forwarded message - From: Wexelbaum, Rachel S. Date: Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 5:48 PM Subject: [Wikimedia-US-MN] Wiki Loves Pride--Extended to July 31! To: wikimedia-us

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing our newest chapter, Wikimedia Korea

I was very glad to meet several of those involved at Wikimania Cape Town, and am very pleased to congratulate them on their long work on Wikimedia Korea coming to fruition. Thank you to AffCom and the BoT, and let's hope this is not the last new chapter / thematic org of 2019! Thanks, Richard (Us

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

hat corporate rebranding around our most popular product is a good thing to do at this stage in the evolution of our movement. Thanks, Pharos On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 2:01 PM Paulo Santos Perneta < paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote: > When I joined Wikimedia in 2009 I also tried WikiNews, wh

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Social: non-profit social networking service ?

-like interface tied to SUL) might provide a good path forward, though I imagine it would require significant investment. Thanks, Pharos On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 10:38 AM, Quim Gil wrote: > Hi Sylvain! > > (Let me add the disclaimer that opinions are mine and don't represent the > v

[Wikimedia-l] Met Open Access Artworks Challenge

: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Met_Open_Access_Artworks_ Challenge/Participants Thanks, Pharos ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New

Re: [Wikimedia-l] machine translation

I think it all depends on the level of engagement of the human translator. When the tool is used in the right way, it is a fantastic tool. Maybe we can find better methods to nudge people toward taking their time and really doing work on their translations. Thanks, Pharos On Tue, May 2, 2017

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

The Wikipedia aspect was highlighted on the BBC and other sites in earlier stories, before the other events happened. Thanks, Pharos On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 1:18 PM, Pine W wrote: > Now on the front page of the New York Times website: > https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/30/world/europe/

Re: [Wikimedia-l] election for 2 seats on WMF board of trustees ends May 7...

ed by open public meeting on April 13, 2016." I think it might be best to make that whole section publicly viewable. Thanks, Pharos On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 12:24 PM, Andrew Gray wrote: > Yes, for clarity, this is what I meant - a public list of who has > voted so far (or who hasn't

[Wikimedia-l] Middle East / North African Artists Month

c_articles/Art_of_the_Middle_East Thanks, Pharos ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/w

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia NYC proposal to broaden WMF nominations - submit today

ral of the newer candidates have received endorsements from other chapters as well (even before our public vote). Thanks, Pharos Wikimedia NYC On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 6:19 PM, phoebe ayers wrote: > Thanks Pharos for making this offer and for outlining what your chapter > voting process will b

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation executive transition update

Congratulations, Katherine! She is an excellent choice to navigate us through for this difficult time. Thanks, Pharos On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 9:55 PM, Patricio Lorente < patricio.lore...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello all, > > I’m happy to announce that the Wikimedia Foundation lead

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia NYC proposal to broaden WMF nominations - submit today

On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 11:02 PM, Pharos wrote: > Hi fellow Wikimedians, > > Wikimedia NYC is interested in opening up and diversifying the Wikimedia > Foundation board nominations process (beyond the typical chapter-affiliated > candidates), so interested parties are welcomed

Re: [Wikimedia-l] last day to nominate for 2 seats on WMF board of trustees...

'WikiWednesday' public meeting, to be determined by an open vote of attendees at that meeting. We also commit to having a vote at our public meeting in April or May to make our chapter's decision for the actual elections. Feel free to write to us beforehand if you have questions. Thanks, P

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement representation vs WMF board reform

gy project) Should the WMF BoT devolve aspects related to Wikimania and related regional meetings? Thanks, Pharos On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Emmanuel Engelhart wrote: > On 28.02.2016 15:53, Brion Vibber wrote: > > I just want to split out a concept that came up in the big threads

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a high-tech organization

This classic science fiction novel comes to mind... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Canticle_for_Leibowitz And a shout-out to User:Daniel The Monk, our resident NYC Monastapedian :) Thanks, Pharos On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 3:51 AM, Ed Saperia wrote: > A Wikimedia monastery! ^_^ > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Georgia Piedmont Wikimedians

Mazel tov, y'all! Looking forward to more continental wiki-campaigns with this dynamic Atlanta-based group. Thanks, Pharos Wikimedia NYC On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Keegan Peterzell wrote: > On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 12:19 PM, Carlos M. Colina > > wrote: > > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Transition plans for WMF leadership - Board Reform

ffer in San Francisco and Berlin. Thanks, Pharos On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 12:16 PM, Denny Vrandecic wrote: > Thanks to all the answers to my response. I am still reading them, and I > probably will not be able to answer to all in a timely manner (I have to > work, after all), but I w

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reducing the net cost of Wikimania

0 > > > people in a small region of a city. And a smaller fraction of money > > spent > > > goes towards jet fuel. > > > > > > For this reason, the same pool of scholarship funds would go farther. > > > > > > Finally, I don't

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reducing the net cost of Wikimania

Thanks, Ellie and Chris, this historical experience should be very helpful for future discussions! Best, Pharos On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 5:06 PM, Chris Schilling wrote: > Hey folks, > > Ellie has put together a summarized budget including revenue and expenses > from Wikimania 2014

Re: [Wikimedia-l] US Copyright Law Forces Wikimedia to remove Public Domain Anne Frank Diary

, Pharos On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 1:39 PM, Lodewijk wrote: > Hi Jonathan, > > We all realize how sensitive a subject this is. Not only because of the > reasons you give, but also for the obvious reason that this is a highly > influential and well known work we're talking a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reducing the net cost of Wikimania

sco indeed shouldn't be conflated with funding of US volunteer-based activities. If anyone else is interested in organizing regionally in any part of the US / North America, feel free to get in touch; Wikimedia NYC and others would be very glad to help you :) Thanks, Pharos On Wed, Feb 10, 2

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Voting formula was Appointment of María Sefidari to Wikimedia Foundation Board

I think an analysis of the past Wikimedia community election results, with a variety of different voting (and counting) methods, could show the best path toward achieving diversity in elected seats, without necesarilly resorting to quotas or separate contests. Thanks, Pharos On Sun, Jan 31, 2016

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Meta is apparently down

ecting_to_the_WMF_site > > > > On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Michael Peel wrote: > > > Also Commons, and anything else at *.wikimedia.org. Apparently, "Bad > > deployment, being reverted currently." > > > > Thanks, > > Mike > >

[Wikimedia-l] Meta is apparently down

https://meta.wikimedia.org/ Thanks, Pharos ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Beyond the Board (was: WMF trustee Arnnon Geshuri and part in anticompetitive agreements in Google)

make community assembly have been published by Pharos: > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Community_Council_Compact > > > > I think it is a good idea to have a sort of community council. To give > credit, Guy Kawasaki just recently proposed something along t

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Something

Let us have our movement new year's resolution be for an acronym-free 2016! Thanks, Pharos On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 2:15 PM, Asaf Bartov wrote: > NDA = Non-Disclosure Agreement[1] > > (and while we're at it, the acronym IEP opaquely deployed by Pine in the > other thread w

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wmfall] Community Wishlist Survey: Top 10 wishes!

Looks wonderful, this is a model to build upon in future. Thanks, Pharos On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 3:18 PM, Wes Moran wrote: > Great work and a nice process. > > On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Danny Horn wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > > > I'm happy to anno

Re: [Wikimedia-l] On toxic communities

e than us? Would our comparable metric be the % of bigoted comments per article, per talk page discussion, per time that an editor spends at the project? I would think that encountering bigoted comments on 1 in 50 discussions would still be pretty significant. Thanks, Pharos On Sun, Nov 15, 2015

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CAPTCHA issues discouraging new editors

I'm here to confirm that I've seen the same issue in over almost every wiki-workshop. Part of the problem is the lack of prominence of the notice, and also the CAPTCHA often being hidden "below the fold". I would not be averse to experiment in just turning it off for a bit.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimediaus-l] Mark your calendars for Wiknic 2015

I agree that we should welcome a broad range of collaborative communities to the local Wiknics, especially other free/open projects like OpenStreetMap. Start a Wiknic for your city, in your local park! Thanks, Pharos On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 2:14 PM, Rob Schnautz wrote: > I am not say

[Wikimedia-l] Election Announcement

Nominations are now being accepted for the July 2015 MCOTM :) (With apologies to the hard work of the WMF elections committee!) Thanks, Pharos ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A "Listen" Button

it is not yet in Unicode, and also that it is written vertically rather than horizontally, but progress has been made on this with a MediaWiki software extension by the SignWriting community. Thanks, Pharos On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 5:22 PM, Andrew Lih wrote: > On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 7:32 AM,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Meta Collaboration of the Month

, Pharos On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 12:58 PM, Pharos wrote: > My fellow Wikimedians, > > I started this as a way to improve important meta pages that have eroded > in usefulness over the years - vote for one or more of them for the June > 2015 collaboration, and feel free t

[Wikimedia-l] Meta Collaboration of the Month

/Meta_Collaboration_of_the_Month (Truly the most important electoral decision facing our movement currently.) Thanks, Pharos ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New financing model for editations

I can attest that there are indeed many cases where $50 or $75 in bus or gas money can make a big difference for volunteers, even in the United States. There is long way between intercontinental plane tickets and offering no financial assistance at all. Thanks, Pharos On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 10

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: It's the end

For those unfamiliar with the glories of the United States Postal Service, a "P.O. Box" is simply a rented mail slot in a public post office. Thanks, Pharos On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 3:25 PM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel < it...@wikimedia.org.il> wrote: > > "Wikimedia Founda

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community RfCs about MediaViewer

be actually testable. Could the WMF or someone else look into user-testing how the MediaViewer (and variations on it) affects the average reader's perception and consciousness of the licensing information? Thanks, Pharos ___ Wikimedia-l mailing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wicnik reminder

at American Wiknic (or an international variant), for July 6 or another date! And we now have this shortcut domain: http://wiknic.org Thanks, Pharos On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 4:37 PM, R W wrote: > Brilliant idea !! > > Therefore we organize also a Wicnik in the south of Netherlands, so also >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikiconference USA in the media

on first, as it has a really simple answer. There were exactly 0 employees on the organizing committee, and exactly 0 employees who did the preparation. This was an entirely volunteer-run conference. Thanks, Pharos > > On 07/06/2014, MZMcBride wrote: > > Craig Franklin wrote: > >&

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons' frontpage probably shouldn't prominently feature a decontextualised stack of corpses.

Maybe a simple solution to this is just having more process for which still frame to use for any MOTD video. Thanks, Richard (User:Pharos) On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 12:00 AM, Benjamin Lees wrote: > On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 10:10 PM, Kevin Gorman wrote: > > > Can anyone articulate a valid reason wh

[Wikimedia-l] WikiConference USA - almost here!

I am very pleased to announce that WikiConference USA is less than 30 days away! Over the last few months, Wikimedia NYC and Wikimedia DC have been collecting curated submissions on a diversity of wiki and free/open knowledge-related topics (with tracks on Community, Tech, Outreach, GLAM, Educatio

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiConference USA Announcement

join us and help us spread the word! https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki /File:WikiCon_USA_2014_Press_Release_v1.pdf Thanks, Richard (User:Pharos) Wikimedia NYC On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Pharos wrote: > I am very pleased to announce that Wikimedia NYC and Wikimedia DC are >

[Wikimedia-l] Programmatic experience in past 2 years (was: Board decisions on movement funding and approval issues)

Certainly, in the last 2 years and before, a handful of Wikimedia volunteer groups have been quite as active and organized as those currently being classified as User Groups - only the option of being recognized as User Groups did not exist for them at the time of their founding. And it is a good

[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] WikiConference USA Announcement

I am very pleased to announce that Wikimedia NYC and Wikimedia DC are working in collaboration to host the first national Wikimedia conference in the United States! Here are the details for the conference: Dates: Friday, May 30, 2014 - Sunday, June 1, 2014 Location: New York Law School (185 West

[Wikimedia-l] WikiConference USA Announcement

I am very pleased to announce that Wikimedia NYC and Wikimedia DC are working in collaboration to host the first national Wikimedia conference in the United States! Here are the details for the conference: Dates: Friday, May 30, 2014 - Sunday, June 1, 2014 Location: New York Law School (185 West

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WCA Quest for the Cool Name

A reminder that there's still some time to for cross-fertilization of "cool name" ideas, for the artist formerly known as the WCA: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Chapters_Association/Quest_for_the_Cool_Name Thanks, Richard (User:Pharos) On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Markus Glaser w

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Info: Election for WCA Chairperson

I see your point, and I agree that proposing to modify the bylaws would not be a practical option for us now. Perhaps, though, we might come up with some "informal" processes for broader pan-chapter input before then... Thanks, Richard (User:Pharos) On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Fae wrote: >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Info: Election for WCA Chairperson

On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Nathan wrote: > That means the only votes belong to those on the Council; this could > be easily resolved by other chapters becoming members, as has been > said, but presumably some who have refused so far... do so because > they have to accept the "rights, duties

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Info: Election for WCA Chairperson

On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Ziko van Dijk wrote: > 2013/2/25 Nathan : >> That's one way of looking at it. Another is that the WCA is an >> activity chapters can choose to participate in, or choose not to. To >> the extent the WCA intends to "represent" its members, that >> representation sho

[Wikimedia-l] Great American Wiknic June 2012

Hi Wikimedians, If you're anywhere in the United States around June 23, we would like to invite you to join the 2nd annual Great American Wiknic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wiknic Now in 17 cities (add yours today!): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wiknic#2012_Wiknic Thanks,