Re: [Wikimedia-l] Review of grantmaking costs and outcomes for APG, PEG, and IEG

2014-08-04 Thread Jessie Wild
I put the slides on commons immediately after the presentation: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Grantmaking_Impact_Assessment,_2013-14.pdf As for the cost-benefit question: YES ABSOLUTELY we need all the costs involved! This is one of the major gaps we saw in reporting: we weren't able to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Review of grantmaking costs and outcomes for APG, PEG, and IEG

2014-08-04 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I will be there :) Thanks, GerardM On 4 August 2014 15:56, Jessie Wild jw...@wikimedia.org wrote: I put the slides on commons immediately after the presentation: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Grantmaking_Impact_Assessment,_2013-14.pdf As for the cost-benefit question:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Review of grantmaking costs and outcomes for APG, PEG, and IEG

2014-08-04 Thread rupert THURNER
hi jessie, nice to hear this from you! how will the central cost be considered, e.g. grantmaking department of the wmf? rupert Am 04.08.2014 15:56 schrieb Jessie Wild jw...@wikimedia.org: I put the slides on commons immediately after the presentation:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Review of grantmaking costs and outcomes for APG, PEG, and IEG

2014-08-02 Thread Michael Peel
In general, using Google to store Wikimedia slide decks is a bad idea as that's essentially temporary (and restricted-access) storage - it's much better to upload a copy to Commons so they are properly archived (hopefully indefinitely!) and available to all... Thanks, Mike On 1 Aug 2014, at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Review of grantmaking costs and outcomes for APG, PEG, and IEG

2014-08-01 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I have done a project and there were two parts to my project. There was the delivery of an input method and a font for a script that did not have any UNICODE font. At that time there was functionality for fonts. So it should have been a shoe in. The cost of the project was relatively large.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Review of grantmaking costs and outcomes for APG, PEG, and IEG

2014-08-01 Thread Asaf Bartov
Another point to consider is that comparing grants that include staff compensation to grants that do not is necessarily tipping the scales. Volunteer time is a cost too (though borne by the volunteers themselves and not by the funder), and ignoring it in cost-benefit analysis will always give the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Review of grantmaking costs and outcomes for APG, PEG, and IEG

2014-08-01 Thread Asaf Bartov
If people are interested in the background to Gerard's rant, the grant he is talking about is [1], and the incomplete report he has been hassled about is [2]. I don't want to hijack this thread to discuss this specific example, but I welcome discussion on that grant report's talk page, and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Review of grantmaking costs and outcomes for APG, PEG, and IEG

2014-08-01 Thread
On 1 August 2014 17:01, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote: If people are interested in the background to Gerard's rant, the grant he is talking about is [1], and the incomplete report he has been hassled about is [2]. I don't want to hijack this thread to discuss this specific example,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Review of grantmaking costs and outcomes for APG, PEG, and IEG

2014-08-01 Thread Pine W
Good point, Asaf. Jessie, is there a way to take this into account when compating costs and benefits? I agree with Gerard that there can be survey or reporting fatigue, though I have yet to hear an IEG grantee complain. The APG application and reporting system seems more extensive and I can see

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Review of grantmaking costs and outcomes for APG, PEG, and IEG

2014-08-01 Thread Strainu
2014-07-31 23:39 GMT+03:00 Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com: WMF Metrics and Activities Meeting Hi, Are the slides available anywhere? I'm especially interested in the heat map. Is there an interactive version online (or at least the data behind it)? Thanks, Strainu

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Review of grantmaking costs and outcomes for APG, PEG, and IEG

2014-08-01 Thread Dan Garry
Slides from all the presentations are available here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMF_Metrics_and_activities_meetings/2014-08 Dan On 1 August 2014 12:11, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-07-31 23:39 GMT+03:00 Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com: WMF Metrics and Activities Meeting Hi,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Review of grantmaking costs and outcomes for APG, PEG, and IEG

2014-08-01 Thread Gergo Tisza
On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 12:13 PM, Dan Garry dga...@wikimedia.org wrote: Slides from all the presentations are available here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMF_Metrics_and_activities_meetings/2014-08 The grantmaking slides seem to be limited to WMF employees though.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Review of grantmaking costs and outcomes for APG, PEG, and IEG

2014-08-01 Thread Dan Garry
Jessie, Can you make sure that your slides from yesterday are shared publicly so people can take a look at them? Right now they seem to be shared only to WMF employees. Thanks! Dan On 1 August 2014 14:45, Gergo Tisza gti...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 12:13 PM, Dan Garry

[Wikimedia-l] Review of grantmaking costs and outcomes for APG, PEG, and IEG

2014-07-31 Thread Pine W
In today's WMF Metrics and Activities Meeting [1] Jessie Wild's presentation starting around 1:05:00 compared the meta-level grantmaking programs. The presentation is about 12 minutes long. Jessie, I have two questions, and other people may want to ask questions as well. 1. I'm aware that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Review of grantmaking costs and outcomes for APG, PEG, and IEG

2014-07-31 Thread Jessie Wild
Thanks for listening to the presentation, Pine! There will be a more comprehensive analysis posted on Meta, but in the meantime to answer your questions: 1. I'm aware that Program Evaluation is examining the outcomes of conferences this year, and Jamie and I have discussed this in at least

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Review of grantmaking costs and outcomes for APG, PEG, and IEG

2014-07-31 Thread Pine W
Hi Jessie, Thanks for the quick reply. Issue 1 may be challenging to measure even with Wikimetrics. Can we talk about this during the Research Hackathon next week if we can set up a time off-list? Thanks for the info about issue 2. I am grateful to learn that you did an evaluation of PEG. It is