Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2018: Program themes, eligibility criteria and reporting deadlines

here is a short url created using Google URL shortner https://goo.gl/pR1SAf On 26 October 2017 at 10:49, Biyanto Rebin wrote: > Dear Lodewijk, > > The link is broken too. Here is the the clickable link: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_ >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2018: Program themes, eligibility criteria and reporting deadlines

Dear Lodewijk, The link is broken too. Here is the the clickable link: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2018/Eligibility_Criteria Cheers 2017-10-26 9:45 GMT+07:00 Lodewijk : > funny enough, Asaf's version arrived broken here too, albeit in a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2018: Program themes, eligibility criteria and reporting deadlines

funny enough, Asaf's version arrived broken here too, albeit in a different place: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2018/ Eligibility_Criteria Hope more luck this time! On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 6:29 PM, Asaf Bartov wrote: > Unbroken link for those on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2018: Program themes, eligibility criteria and reporting deadlines

Unbroken link for those on mobile devices who may have a harder time fixing it: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2 018/Eligibility_Criteria A. On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 1:50 AM Cornelius Kibelka < cornelius.kibe...@wikimedia.de> wrote: > Hi all, > > aside from the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2018: Program themes, eligibility criteria and reporting deadlines

Hi all, aside from the conversation about project/language communities – thanks for the feedback! – I just wanted to share the Eligibility Criteria page for the conference that is available on Meta: https://meta.wikimedia.o rg/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2018/Eligibility_Criteria I have received

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2018: Program themes, eligibility criteria and reporting deadlines

Hoi, It is not that someone has nothing worthwhile to contribute, it is just that once you have interviewed a group that is of sufficient variety the likelyhood of hearing anything new will vanish. When too much information is gathered it becomes unwieldy as well and the discussion will peter out.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2018: Program themes, eligibility criteria and reporting deadlines

Theres never the perfect solution, even with carefully selected groups you will never know what else could have been brought to the table, it doesnt matter where that line is whether its 2, 200, or 2000 whoever, however, what ever the criteria that the carefully selected group is comprised of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2018: Program themes, eligibility criteria and reporting deadlines

Chris, As Cornelius wrote, this conversation will be a part of phase 2 discussions which are supposed take place in many different places, on- and offline. We won't just put the cart before the horse. I envision the movement strategy process to also offer space for conversations about how

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2018: Program themes, eligibility criteria and reporting deadlines

Hoi, When you do research, you know that there is a deminishing return on adding more people that are asked the same question. It may seem to be empowering but realistically the initial group comes up with the answers you are seeking. So what do you think all these others have to add to what a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2018: Program themes, eligibility criteria and reporting deadlines

So will there be a broader discussion about the future of the Wikimedia Conference that's open to people who are not attending? I could certainly see a group of people in a conference hotel for a weekend deciding that they are a vital forum for important decisions about the future of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2018: Program themes, eligibility criteria and reporting deadlines

Hi Lodewijk, One of the goals for the 2018 conference will be to come to an agreement upon the ultimate goal, structure and set-up for the Wikimedia Conference in the longer future. The outcomes of these conversations will also depend on the agreements we achieve during phase 2 of the strategy

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2018: Program themes, eligibility criteria and reporting deadlines

I just want to add my 2p on this. I raised my eyebrows last year when so many people were invited to WMCON but I could see the rationale for one-off face-to-face strategy conversations. However I am concerned by the idea that WMCON is now turning into a large, standing,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2018: Program themes, eligibility criteria and reporting deadlines

While it is true that there are now for *some* languages also organizations that have it as their specific goal to support those (Amical has been doing that for Catalan for a long time, though), this is not the case for most major languages. In the whole field of affiliates, including user groups,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2018: Program themes, eligibility criteria and reporting deadlines

Affiliates have no authority over content, just like the WMF has no authority over content, to imply otherwise whether intentionally or by accident of design is a problem we need fix ensuring that that line isnt crossed. Not only do legal and liabilities make this a must, for affiliates in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2018: Program themes, eligibility criteria and reporting deadlines

Hi all, Thanks for pointing this out. I agree that “representing” is not the right word. I wrote: “The biggest ten language/project communities (by numbers of active editors [>5 edits/month]) that are not represented by any affiliate, or have an affiliate, which is not eligible because it was

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2018: Program themes, eligibility criteria and reporting deadlines

The conference was born from the old affiliate model but that is not representative of where we are now and for all its flaws and advantages, the affiliate model has become very different. Affiliates in some cases really do represent, projects, languages and topics to varying degrees. In some

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2018: Program themes, eligibility criteria and reporting deadlines

Agreed. This would change the conference significantly. Its purpose has always been to discuss matters of common interest to movement *organisations*. Organisations attend on their own behalf and not as representatives for any wider groups such as speakers of a specific language, or editors of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2018: Program themes, eligibility criteria and reporting deadlines

I agree the risks involved with having projects including language wikipedias as recognised groups and represented by individuals will expose both them and the WMF to legal obligations. At the moment WMF is at arms length to the contributing communities as are affiliates, that's an important

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2018: Program themes, eligibility criteria and reporting deadlines

We absolutely do not want language communities to be under the control of local chapters or user groups, for a multitude of reasons, one of the many being that the chapters are organized by country (or even by territory) whereas language communities are organized differently. I think the idea

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2018: Program themes, eligibility criteria and reporting deadlines

I share Lodewijk's concerns here. My understanding is that local chapters have no control/authority over any language community. Unless we want language communities to be under the control of local chapters or user groups, language communities should be allowed to choose their representatives if

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2018: Program themes, eligibility criteria and reporting deadlines

Just a quick reaction from Cornelius' message and Lodewijk's answer. I will reply with my thoughts more in detail once I get back in Canada as I'm still in France after the Wikiconvention. I also think that we need a better defined official goal of the Wikimedia Conference to address this issue.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2018: Program themes, eligibility criteria and reporting deadlines

That all depends on the goals that the conference sets itself, as always :) As I understood it, the conference is intended for structured and organized groups, rather than to be a representative forum for the whole movement. In 2017, I understood there to be mostly two events taking place in the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2018: Program themes, eligibility criteria and reporting deadlines

Hi Lodewijk, hi JP, Over the last years, we received the feedback that the Wikimedia Conference would not be as (globally) representative as it could or should be. For the Wikimedia Conference 2017, several “Community Leaders” were invited to the conference to be heard for the Movement Strategy

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2018: Program themes, eligibility criteria and reporting deadlines

I share the questions of Lodewijk On Mon, Oct 23, 2017, 19:22 Cornelius Kibelka, < cornelius.kibe...@wikimedia.de> wrote: > Of course, I meant: > > "The registration process will start on November 24, *2017* and will end > sharply (no exceptions), on January 15, 2018." > > Thank you > Cornelius

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2018: Program themes, eligibility criteria and reporting deadlines

Of course, I meant: "The registration process will start on November 24, *2017* and will end sharply (no exceptions), on January 15, 2018." Thank you Cornelius -- Cornelius Kibelka Program and Engagement Coordinator (PEC) for the Wikimedia Conference Am 23.10.2017 18:04 schrieb "Cornelius

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2018: Program themes, eligibility criteria and reporting deadlines

Thanks Cornelius, just to check: you're working from the assumption here that language communities are being represented by geographic chapters (German represented by WMDE, English by WMUK (??), Dutch by WMNL)? This is the first time I hear someone in an official capacity change the approach to

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2018: Program themes, eligibility criteria and reporting deadlines

Dear Wikimedians, dear representatives of Wikimedia affiliates, A few weeks ago, we announced that the next Wikimedia Conference will take place from April 20 to 22, 2018 at the Mercure Hotel in Berlin-Neukölln (same location as in 2017). This email contains information about the program themes