Re: [Wikimediach-l] Do we use (american) cloud solutions at WMCH Q

2013-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Manuel Schneider
Dear all, just a few words. I won't engage in this discussion but I am reading it all. Thanks for bringing up the topic, I hope it makes people more aware of their responsibilities towards the data they handle and I am thankful that through this discussion we found the one case where staff mails w

Re: [Wikimediach-l] Do we use (american) cloud solutions at WMCH Q

2013-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Ilario Valdelli
I take care because I protect my email with a good password, no one has access to my mailbox and I don't distribute to the mailing lists the mails addressed directly to me. Any other question of security is not in my hands. What I am saying is that I have several other emails and if someone would

Re: [Wikimediach-l] Do we use (american) cloud solutions at WMCH Q

2013-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Emmanuel Engelhart
Le 11/06/2013 12:28, Ilario Valdelli a écrit : > What is the meaning of "unprofessional"? You obviously don't care about the privacy of email exchange: that's unprofessional. Emmanuel ___ http://wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing l

Re: [Wikimediach-l] Do we use (american) cloud solutions at WMCH Q

2013-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Ilario Valdelli
What is the meaning of "unprofessional"? If someone writes me his own credit card number in his email, I can use the maximum of my professionality to protect him for this specific case, but I cannot be responsible for his privacy at all because he has a strange behavior and he can send his credit

Re: [Wikimediach-l] Do we use (american) cloud solutions at WMCH Q

2013-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Emmanuel Engelhart
Le 11/06/2013 11:34, Ilario Valdelli a écrit : > Basically I would say that the email is something that allows people to > be contacted easily and to be checked easily, but there is also the > compromise with the security and the protection of data. > > The correct approach is in the middle. This

Re: [Wikimediach-l] Do we use (american) cloud solutions at WMCH Q

2013-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Ilario Valdelli
Having managed for long time a huge mass of data of people, I would use a Latin sentence: "Est modus in rebus" To protect all data is a Sisiphus work, the same European law differentiates between most critical data and they put several levels of attention. The heath data, for instance, have a spec

Re: [Wikimediach-l] Do we use (american) cloud solutions at WMCH Q

2013-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Emmanuel Engelhart
Le 10/06/2013 23:20, Frédéric Schütz a écrit : > Some informal exchanges of files are still done using Dropbox; now is > probably a good time to get rid of them. The wiki works now pretty well and Manuel has increased the upload limit to 32MB. IMO, this is the best place to store files which shoul

Re: [Wikimediach-l] Do we use (american) cloud solutions at WMCH Q

2013-06-10 Diskussionsfäden Hartwig Thomas
> My request is specifically targeted to WMCH, our swiss chapter, not to > any other entity of our movement. I understand. So the only "third parties" that receive data from the Swiss Chapter are the organizations that run the servers in the US and therefore the NSA, the CIA, etc. Hartwig ___

Re: [Wikimediach-l] Do we use (american) cloud solutions at WMCH Q

2013-06-10 Diskussionsfäden Frédéric Schütz
On 10/06/13 19:31, Emmanuel Engelhart wrote: Thank you very much for this detailed answer. Congratulations for making WMCH infrastructure almost not depending of these type of problematic services (not the same in all chapters). Thanks to Manuel, we have a full set of services available "loca

Re: [Wikimediach-l] Do we use (american) cloud solutions at WMCH Q

2013-06-10 Diskussionsfäden Emmanuel Engelhart
Hi Manuel Le 10/06/2013 19:53, Manuel Schneider a écrit : > Am 10.06.2013 19:31, schrieb Emmanuel Engelhart: >> I propose to invite all concerned users to: >> * create a WMCH mailbox for them >> * change the target email address to something more acceptable like >> email box from the provider or e

Re: [Wikimediach-l] Do we use (american) cloud solutions at WMCH Q

2013-06-10 Diskussionsfäden Manuel Schneider
Am 10.06.2013 19:31, schrieb Emmanuel Engelhart: > I propose to invite all concerned users to: > * create a WMCH mailbox for them > * change the target email address to something more acceptable like > email box from the provider or european web mails like GMX. > > Would that be feasible? > Does s

Re: [Wikimediach-l] Do we use (american) cloud solutions at WMCH Q

2013-06-10 Diskussionsfäden Emmanuel Engelhart
Le 10/06/2013 18:23, Manuel Schneider a écrit : > I can only speak about the processes within WMCH which are know to me or > where I am part of. > So far these processes mainly use self-hosted IT ressources. On our four > server instances we run a variety of services: > * mail (SMTP/IMAP) > * webse

Re: [Wikimediach-l] Do we use (american) cloud solutions at WMCH Q

2013-06-10 Diskussionsfäden Manuel Schneider
Hi Emmanuel, I can only speak about the processes within WMCH which are know to me or where I am part of. So far these processes mainly use self-hosted IT ressources. On our four server instances we run a variety of services: * mail (SMTP/IMAP) * webserver / content management systems / wikis * sh

Re: [Wikimediach-l] Do we use (american) cloud solutions at WMCH Q

2013-06-10 Diskussionsfäden Emmanuel Engelhart
Le 10/06/2013 14:41, Hartwig Thomas a écrit : > I believe that such a "precise list" is an illusion. > > The servers as well as the legal bodies are in the US and thus are subject to > US law. > Therefore the operators of these servers will do anything the law requires > them to do, just as an o

Re: [Wikimediach-l] Do we use (american) cloud solutions at WMCH Q

2013-06-10 Diskussionsfäden Hartwig Thomas
rver as a backup. Hartwig -Original Message- From: wikimediach-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediach-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Emmanuel Engelhart Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 11:42 AM To: Mailing list for Wikimedia CH Subject: [Wikimediach-l] Do we use (ame

[Wikimediach-l] Do we use (american) cloud solutions at WMCH Q

2013-06-10 Diskussionsfäden Emmanuel Engelhart
Hi The last PRISM scandal show us again how the american governement and web companies don't care about our private data: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_%28surveillance_program%29 On the other side, our members deserve a total privacy regarding their data. So, my question is pretty simple a