Re: [Wikitech-l] category intersection conversations

2013-05-09 Thread Luke Welling WMF
ategory could still always visit it, it's just that other users would not be directed to it unless they probe talk page debates. Luke Welling On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 12:38 PM, James Forrester wrote: > [I worry we're talking about operational details, which should be a wider &g

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit actively discourages discussion

2013-04-02 Thread Luke Welling WMF
eople's changes that I've previously reviewed. It takes a lot of time to properly review a big change, and I don't know an easy way to say "Show me all my comments on previous patch sets so I can see if they have been addressed". Luke Welling On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 9:10 AM,

Re: [Wikitech-l] job queue

2013-03-25 Thread Luke Welling WMF
x27;t slow the rest of your processing. Luke Welling On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 12:34 PM, dan entous wrote: > context > --- > i’m working on a mediawiki extension, > http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:GWToolset, which has as one of > its goals, the ability to upload media

Re: [Wikitech-l] Encoding subject encoding bike shed

2013-03-21 Thread Luke Welling WMF
Luke On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Mark A. Hershberger wrote: > On 03/21/2013 11:45 AM, Luke Welling WMF wrote: > > On the email title sidetrack, it should not create a 4th way. > > The pedant in me says there are at least two more ways -- different > capitalization for &qu

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit Wars™: a strategy-guide

2013-03-21 Thread Luke Welling WMF
peak RFC2822 and not RFC2047(?) you can still transmit them correctly. Luke Welling On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Mark A. Hershberger wrote: > On 03/20/2013 10:43 AM, Jasper Wallace wrote: > > On Tue, 19 Mar 2013, MZMcBride wrote: > > > >> > >> P.S. mailman: ther

Re: [Wikitech-l] Default policy for third-party cookies in Firefox

2013-03-19 Thread Luke Welling WMF
If you want to play cat and mouse, a good reference for things that work is http://samy.pl/evercookie/ It's mostly targeted at a single domain stopping users from deleting cookies, but some of the same things should break cross domain security too. I'm not sure that end of web ethics is where we

Re: [Wikitech-l] Pronunciation recording tool wanted

2013-03-13 Thread Luke Welling WMF
It would be a good application for mobile too. In browser would be reasonably easy with Flash, and can be done with JavaScript in modern browsers but not yet in a consistent way. There is a W3 spec but using a library like https://github.com/jussi-kalliokoski/sink.js/ would be easier than writing

Re: [Wikitech-l] Query performance - run code faster, merge code faster :-)

2013-03-07 Thread Luke Welling WMF
The advice on https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Query_profiling_for_features_developers sounds good. Is there more detail somewhere on how to do this part "Test your query against production slaves prior to full deployment"? Luke On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 8:14 PM, Matthew Flaschen wrote: > On 0

Re: [Wikitech-l] Seemingly proprietary Javascript

2013-03-05 Thread Luke Welling WMF
We should discuss them separately, but this core mediawiki JS is GPL2 https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-core/tree/master/resources This JS which was mentioned in the forwarded email that started this discussion is available via a wiki page so is probably under a CC-BY-SA-3.0 as it is submitte

Re: [Wikitech-l] Seemingly proprietary Javascript

2013-03-05 Thread Luke Welling WMF
Yes. There seems little value in unqualified people debating if it is legally required. The mainstream FOSS licences all predate minification and seem to have been written with compiled languages in mind, not interpreted languages. Most have language that requires the licence in the source versi

Re: [Wikitech-l] Seemingly proprietary Javascript

2013-03-05 Thread Luke Welling WMF
JavaScript is a separate issue, and possibly much more complicated. CC-BY-SA-3.0 is not an ideal licence for software, and it seems likely that there will be code pasted into some user JavaScript pages that is licensed under an incompatible licence. Luke Welling On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 10:57 AM,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Better non-MySQL db support

2013-02-26 Thread Luke Welling WMF
: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Coding_conventions/Database Luke Welling On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 5:37 AM, Dmitriy Sintsov wrote: > > > 26 Февраль 2013 г. 14:27:06 пользователь Nikola Smolenski ( >> smole...@eunet.rs) написал: >> >> >> On 26/02/13 04:18,

Re: [Wikitech-l] DevOps/Continuous Deployment discussion?

2013-02-20 Thread Luke Welling WMF
only use that machinery every few days. We have some of that, but heading further down that road would be a good thing even if we chose to keep organized periodic deployments. Luke Welling On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Juliusz Gonera wrote: > Sorry for digging up an old thread, but toda

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki API at Codecademy?

2013-02-08 Thread Luke Welling WMF
Do you want help? I don't know much about the API at the moment, but it is my Level-Up assignment this quarter. Documenting things is a good way to learn them. I have written a lot of courseware in the past. Luke Welling On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 6:20 PM, Yuri Astrakhan wrote: > I will

Re: [Wikitech-l] Why are we still using captchas on WMF sites?

2013-01-23 Thread Luke Welling WMF
I don't know if we are talking at cross purposes, or if I missed it, but this paper: http://elie.im/publication/text-based-captcha-strengths-and-weaknesses does not try to answer my question. What I want to know is "*How many humans get turned away from editing Wikipedia by a difficult captcha?*"

Re: [Wikitech-l] Why are we still using captchas on WMF sites?

2013-01-22 Thread Luke Welling WMF
That was not the end of the problem I was referring to. We know our specific captcha is broken at turning away machines. As far as I am aware we do not know how many humans are being turned away by the difficulty of it. It's a safe bet that it is non-zero given the manual account requests we get,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Why are we still using captchas on WMF sites?

2013-01-22 Thread Luke Welling WMF
Even ignoring openness and privacy, exactly the same problems are present with reCAPTCHA as with Fancy Captcha. It's often very hard or impossible for humans to read, and is a big enough target to have been broken by various people. I don't know if it's constructive to brainstorm solutions to a "

Re: [Wikitech-l] The ultimate bikeshed: typos in commit messages

2013-01-16 Thread Luke Welling WMF
useful but time consuming thing to provide. Patrolling for typos is not. Put it this way, if I concede and agree that the bikeshed can be green, the people who spent three hours arguing for green should feel obligated to turn up to the working bee to help with the painting. Luke Welling On Wed,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Problems uploading word 2007 .doc files

2013-01-08 Thread Luke Welling WMF
Is this bug the same issue? It looks like somebody put up a partial fix https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38432 - Luke Welling On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Aran Dunkley wrote: > The file was a .doc, but I've tried changing it to docx and get the same > result. Some

Re: [Wikitech-l] Any OSCON plans?

2012-12-21 Thread Luke Welling WMF
;state of TechnologyX" is tough to get accepted unless you are Rasmus, Larry or Guido. "How we did at with " is a much better bet. OSCON always runs some talks along the lines of "saving the world with open culture", so a charismatic speaker with a non-obvious spin on that is

Re: [Wikitech-l] Jenkins: whitespace test!

2012-12-21 Thread Luke Welling WMF
And PS, as I've been dinged for this a few times this is now in my .vimrc to highlight trailing whitespace in vim. highlight ExtraWhitespace ctermbg=red guibg=red match ExtraWhitespace /\s\+$/ autocmd BufWInEnter * match ExtraWhitespace /\s\+$/ autocmd InsertEnter * match ExtraWhitespace /\s\+\%#\

Re: [Wikitech-l] Jenkins: whitespace test!

2012-12-21 Thread Luke Welling WMF
It should be an ignorable warning. There are occasionally situations where trailing white space is necessary. MySQL for instance can be funny about combining multi line strings into one query, although I don't think it presents when called via PHP. Luke On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Chad wr

Re: [Wikitech-l] Video on mobile: Firefox works, way is paved for more browser support

2012-12-12 Thread Luke Welling
s of iOS devlces. > It's about providing knowledge to the rapidly growing userbase of mobile device owners who fall outside the tiny segment that is Android users who have deliberately chosen to replace the stock Android browser with Firefox. Luke Welling __

Re: [Wikitech-l] Video on mobile: Firefox works, way is paved for more browser support

2012-12-12 Thread Luke Welling
ot an ideologically pure answer that is compatible with the goal of taking video content and disseminating it effectively and globally. The conversation needs to be framed as what shade of grey is an acceptable compromise. Luke Welling On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 6:44 AM, Antoine Musso wrote: > Le 12/

Re: [Wikitech-l] Escaping in SQL queries

2012-12-04 Thread Luke Welling
MS SQL version requires the programmer to manually call encodeBlob() before building their query if they know they are inserting binary data. Luke Welling On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 4:52 AM, Daniel Kinzler wrote: > Hi all! > > I recently found that it is less than clear how numbers should be > q

Re: [Wikitech-l] WMF's webpage

2012-11-28 Thread Luke Welling
tatic content change, but there would not be much effort in adding that to a deploy process and there must be developer overhead being incurred in trying to keep new code backwards compatible. Luke Welling On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 5:52 PM, Platonides wrote: > Code was updated to use while the

[Wikitech-l] Newbie licensing questions

2012-11-28 Thread Luke Welling
ere is one. Thanks, Luke Welling ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposed new WMF browser support framework for MediaWiki

2012-11-26 Thread Luke Welling
r IE) into unambiguous, fair, numeric cutoffs may be hard. Predicting future IE market share depends a great deal on the vagaries of auto update policies and corporate IT departments. For instance Windows XP users are stuck on IE8 forever and there are probably quite a lot of them in corporate America. Lu

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikimedia URL shortener

2012-11-19 Thread Luke Welling
good thing. Luke Welling PS my unobtainable cool domain hack of choice would be en.cy (but Cyprus don't do top level subdomains and require local presence) On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 5:49 AM, Neil Harris wrote: > On 19/11/12 02:09, MZMcBride wrote: >> >> Tim Starling wrote: