[Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct Committee -- call for new members

. The deadline for applications is *the end of day on June 25, 2024*. Please feel free to pass this invitation along to any users who you think may be qualified and interested. Best, Amir Sarabadani, on behalf of the Code of Conduct Committee ___ Wikitech-l

[Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct Committee -- call for new members

and will be carefully considered. The deadline for applications is *the end of day on May 31 2023*. Please feel free to pass this invitation along to any users who you think may be qualified and interested. Best, Martin Urbanec, on behalf of the Code of Conduct Committee

[Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct Committee – call for new members

and interested. Best, Martin Urbanec, on behalf of the Code of Conduct Committee ___ Wikitech-l mailing list -- wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to wikitech-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius

[Wikitech-l] Code of conduct committee call for new members

Hello all, It's coming close to time for annual appointments of community members to serve on the Code of Conduct (CoC) committee. The Code of Conduct Committee is a team of five trusted individuals plus five auxiliary members with diverse affiliations responsible for general enforcement of the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of conduct committee call for new members

Good luck to all applicants! Samuel On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 at 21:24, Amir Sarabadani wrote: > Hello, > Here's reminder that you have one day to send us your candidacy. > > Serving at the committee would help the technical community foster a > hospital and welcoming environment for everyone. Join

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of conduct committee call for new members

Hello, Here's reminder that you have one day to send us your candidacy. Serving at the committee would help the technical community foster a hospital and welcoming environment for everyone. Join and help us! Best On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 5:09 PM Amir Sarabadani wrote: > Hello all, > > It's

[Wikitech-l] Code of conduct committee call for new members

Hello all, It's coming close to time for annual appointments of community members to serve on the Code of Conduct (CoC) committee. The Code of Conduct Committee is a team of five trusted individuals plus five auxiliary members with diverse affiliations responsible for general enforcement of the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct committee meeting at Wikimania

+1 on the thanks for the update. I have some ideas regarding modifications that I would like to propose to the CoC but I am already stretched among too many tasks, so I am holding these proposals. I do not want anarchy in technical spaces, and in general I think that having some version of a code

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct committee meeting at Wikimania

Thanks for the update. It's great to see the CoC processes improving transparency and potentially accountability to the community. It's worth noting how old the discussions are, with comments dating back more than a year ago, especially in the context of how relatively young the committee and the

[Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct committee meeting at Wikimania

Hello, The CoC committee had a meeting with four members out of five (Lucie, Tony, Tonina, and Amir were at Wikimania and MusikAnimal wasn't present). These notes are the public outcomes of the meeting. * The committee chose Amir as the chair (Amir requested to be the table but it got rejected) *

[Wikitech-l] Code of conduct committee call for new members

Hello all, It's coming close to time for annual appointments of community members to serve on the Code of Conduct (CoC) committee. The Code of Conduct Committee is a team of five trusted individuals plus five auxiliary members with diverse affiliations responsible for general enforcement of the

[Wikitech-l] Code of conduct committee resolution regarding CoC presence on Mediawiki

]: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T165540 [2]: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Code_of_Conduct/Committee/Tenure_April2018/Resolution_regarding_CoC_presence_on_Mediawiki Sincerely, Amir on behalf of the Code of conduct committee ___ Wikitech-l mailing list

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct for Wikimedia technical spaces - Code of Conduct Committee - 2018.II members

I’d like to echo DJs thanks - when I speak with people from other technical communities, it’s a point of pride to be able to share that Wikimedia contributors developed, negotiated, and adopted this CoC. And I’d like to echo Sébastien’s call for further participation - like our various other

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct for Wikimedia technical spaces - Code of Conduct Committee - 2018.II members

Thank you candidates and committee ! DJ On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 6:05 PM, Sébastien Santoro wrote: > Hello all, > > The candidate slates has been deemed finalized. > > Thanks to the new candidates joining the committee to support > this important mission, sustaining our

[Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct for Wikimedia technical spaces - Code of Conduct Committee - 2018.II members

Hello all, The candidate slates has been deemed finalized. Thanks to the new candidates joining the committee to support this important mission, sustaining our code of conduct. We didn't receive a lot of candidatures this session, so we'd like to ask you to think for the next months if you

[Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct for Wikimedia technical spaces - Code of Conduct Committee - Candidates

Hello all, The Code of Conduct Committee has published the list of candidates for the next 6 months term: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Code_of_Conduct/Committee/Candidates/2018-I If nominated, these candidates will be trusted to enforce the code of conduct for Wikimedia technical spaces. You

[Wikitech-l] Code of conduct committee call for new members

Hello all, It's coming close to time for annual appointments of community members to serve on the Code of Conduct (CoC) committee. The Code of Conduct Committee is a team of five trusted individuals plus five auxiliary members with diverse affiliations responsible for general enforcement of the

[Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct Committee for Wikimedia technical spaces constituted!

Hello everybody, The Code of Conduct Committee bootstrapping process has been completed. Some intermediate updates were posted in phab:T159923 . Starting today, the Code of Conduct for

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct for Wikimedia technical spaces now out of draft state

Thanks -- Zppix WMF Volunteer Developer Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 7, 2017, at 3:28 PM, Quim Gil wrote: > >> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 8:16 PM, Brion Vibber wrote: >> >> Per the last round of discussion & votes closing on the amendments section >>

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct for Wikimedia technical spaces now out of draft state

On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 8:16 PM, Brion Vibber wrote: > Per the last round of discussion & votes closing on the amendments section > some days back, the draft period for the Code of Conduct for technical > spaces is complete. > > I've taken the liberty of removing the

[Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct for Wikimedia technical spaces now out of draft state

Per the last round of discussion & votes closing on the amendments section some days back, the draft period for the Code of Conduct for technical spaces is complete. I've taken the liberty of removing the 'draft' template and moving the pages out of their "/Draft" subpage location to their final

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct "Creation and renewal of the Committee" text

Mind if i proofread and edit it a bit if i see fit? > On Jan 24, 2017, at 1:14 PM, Matthew Flaschen wrote: > > Please participate in the discussion about the "Creation and renewal of the > Committee" section. This is not to approve it yet, just a discussion: > >

[Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct "‎Creation and renewal of the Committee" text

Please participate in the discussion about the "‎Creation and renewal of the Committee" section. This is not to approve it yet, just a discussion: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Code_of_Conduct/Draft#.22Creation_and_renewal_of_the_Committee.22_section Most of this text has been around

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct

I disagree that other projects are not in scope. WMF directs feedback on its products to MediaWiki.org , so those other projects are a stakeholder, and should be notified. I am not advocating regular updates, but towards the end an announcement would be good. On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 05:18 Matthew

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:46 AM, Strainu wrote: > 2016-09-30 1:18 GMT+03:00 Matthew Flaschen : >> >> The local projects in this case are MediaWiki.org, wikitech.wikimedia.org, >> Phabricator, Gerrit, the technical mailing lists, the technical IRC >>

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct

2016-09-30 1:18 GMT+03:00 Matthew Flaschen : > > The local projects in this case are MediaWiki.org, wikitech.wikimedia.org, > Phabricator, Gerrit, the technical mailing lists, the technical IRC > channels, and Etherpad. > > Activity in village pumps or elsewhere on other

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct

On 09/29/2016 11:23 AM, Steinsplitter Wiki wrote: Positing it at the village pumpes of the local project (similar to the tech news notifications), for example :-) Or using limited CN banners (similar to the community survey banners). The local projects in this case are MediaWiki.org,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct

On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 3:23 PM, Steinsplitter Wiki wrote: > > >>>To reach more people like you, what would be the best place to post > messages so you'd see them? > > > > > Positing it at the village pumpes of the local project (similar to the tech > news

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct

anners). --Steinsplitter Von: Wikitech-l <wikitech-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org> im Auftrag von Andre Klapper <aklap...@wikimedia.org> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. September 2016 15:58 An: wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Betreff: Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct   On Wed, 2016-09-28 at 11:07 +0

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct

On Wed, 2016-09-28 at 11:07 +, Steinsplitter Wiki wrote: > I noticed that a Code of Conduct for Phabricator is getting > developed. Cool to see that people are creating such a policy, it is > standard yet in big other projects. :-) A Code of Conduct for Wikimedia's technical spaces is being

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct

On 09/28/2016 07:07 AM, Steinsplitter Wiki wrote: Last but not least: I am not happy at all that me comment has been strike from https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Code_of_Conduct/Draft=2247995=2247822 by Matt Flaschen (WMF). Looks like it is no longer allowed to comment over

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct

On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 4:07 AM, Steinsplitter Wiki < steinsplitter-w...@live.com> wrote: > Unfortunately, the whole Code of Conduct Voting hasn't been widely > announced (just on phabricator). By my count, Matt has sent over twenty announcements about it to this list (and quite a few others)

[Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct

Hello, I am not sure where to ask, thus i write here. Sorry if this is the wrong place! I noticed that a Code of Conduct for Phabricator is getting developed. Cool to see that people are creating such a policy, it is standard yet in big other projects. :-) Just a few thoughts: Unfortunately,

[Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct amendments text

Please participate in the discussion about how the Code of Conduct should be amended: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Code_of_Conduct/Draft#Changing_the_Code_once_enacted Thanks, Matt Flaschen ___ Wikitech-l mailing list

[Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct session at Wikimedia Developer Summit 2016

The Wikimedia Developer Summit starts this Monday, Jan. 4! There will be an information and discussion session about the in-progress Code of Conduct for technical spaces (https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Code_of_Conduct/Draft) on Monday. Thanks, Matt Flaschen

[Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct and publication of private non-harassing communication

Quim has proposed an alternative wording for the text about republication of private communication. You can comment at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Code_of_Conduct/Draft#New_proposal.2C_welcomes_feedback or to conduct-discuss...@wikimedia.org . Thanks as always, Matt Flaschen

[Wikitech-l] Code of conduct consensus discussions update

Full consensus was not reached on "Follow-up consensus discussion on intro, "Principles", "Expected behavior" and "Unacceptable behavior" sections"

[Wikitech-l] Code of conduct consensus discussions

The code of conduct (https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Code_of_conduct_for_technical_spaces/Draft) is still actively being worked on. There are two new consensus discussions: * Whether to consider most of the text from the last discussion done, but improve the controversial text (certain

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct: Intro, Principles, and Unacceptable behavior sections

On 09/05/2015 07:11 PM, MZMcBride wrote: I think there are people who sympathize with and even support efforts to have codes of conduct in technical spaces, but who don't want to feel demonized for being male. Then those people should be glad to participate in finalizing this CoC. There's a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct: Intro, Principles, and Unacceptable behavior sections

On 09/05/2015 05:32 PM, rupert THURNER wrote: lol, consensus among whom, to what? "There is consensus at" - Consensus among people discussing at that talk page. "that the best way to finalize the CoC draft is to focus on a few sections at once" - Consensus about that. Matt Flaschen

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct: Intro, Principles, and Unacceptable behavior sections

On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 7:14 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote: > On 5 September 2015 at 19:11, MZMcBride wrote: > > Oliver Keyes wrote: > >>On the general subject of codes of conduct and what they bring (or > >>don't bring) in terms of user safety and a sense of

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct: Intro, Principles, and Unacceptable behavior sections

On 8 September 2015 at 12:56, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) wrote: > On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 7:14 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote: > >> On 5 September 2015 at 19:11, MZMcBride wrote: >> > Oliver Keyes wrote: >> >>On the general subject of codes of

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct: Intro, Principles, and Unacceptable behavior sections

On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote: > On 8 September 2015 at 12:56, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) > wrote: > > Some people (regardless of gender or other characteristics) find > harassing > > or discriminatory behavior offensive, such behavior

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct: Intro, Principles, and Unacceptable behavior sections

On 8 September 2015 at 14:04, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) wrote: > On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote: > >> On 8 September 2015 at 12:56, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) >> wrote: >> > Some people (regardless of gender or other

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct: Intro, Principles, and Unacceptable behavior sections

On Sun, Sep 6, 2015 at 9:19 AM, Brian Wolff wrote: > On 9/5/15, rupert THURNER wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 10:37 PM, Matthew Flaschen < > mflasc...@wikimedia.org> > > wrote: > > > >> There is consensus at > >> > >> >

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct: Intro, Principles, and Unacceptable behavior sections

On 9/5/15, rupert THURNER wrote: > On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 10:37 PM, Matthew Flaschen > wrote: > >> There is consensus at >> >> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Code_of_conduct_for_technical_spaces/Draft#Next_steps >> that the best way to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct: Intro, Principles, and Unacceptable behavior sections

On 9/5/15, MZMcBride wrote: > Oliver Keyes wrote: >>On the general subject of codes of conduct and what they bring (or >>don't bring) in terms of user safety and a sense of inclusion, I >>recently encountered http://wp.me/p11Aax-4aq on Twitter - it's an >>interesting read and

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct: Intro, Principles, and Unacceptable behavior sections

> the mails sent here the last week made me think more thorough about what > the actual problem is, and reconsider my posiiton. i added comments to the > phabricator ticket at: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90908#1612033. > > to summarize the phabricator comments briefly, i experienced the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct: Intro, Principles, and Unacceptable behavior sections

As I tried to explain at https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2015-August/082778.html, there is a potential correlation between being opposed to a Code of Conduct and having a community profile needing less such Code of Conduct. This doesn't mean that our community doesn't need a Code

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct: Intro, Principles, and Unacceptable behavior sections

I cannot find any possible lost by applying those principles neither. Vito 2015-09-06 14:49 GMT+02:00 Quim Gil : > As I tried to explain at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2015-August/082778.html, > there is a potential correlation between being opposed to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct: Intro, Principles, and Unacceptable behavior sections

Why don't you comment on any of the three links provided in the email you're replying to? That seems like an obvious venue for concerns you might have. On 5 September 2015 at 17:32, rupert THURNER wrote: > On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 10:37 PM, Matthew Flaschen

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct: Intro, Principles, and Unacceptable behavior sections

On 5 September 2015 at 19:11, MZMcBride wrote: > It seems weird to me that the > push (perhaps a movement, who knows) to implement codes of conduct has > become so enmeshed with the ultra-liberal feminist movement. > Really?

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct: Intro, Principles, and Unacceptable behavior sections

On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 4:11 PM, MZMcBride wrote: > Am I supposed to know what a manfeeling is? It seems weird to me that the > push (perhaps a movement, who knows) to implement codes of conduct has > become so enmeshed with the ultra-liberal feminist movement. I think there >

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct: Intro, Principles, and Unacceptable behavior sections

On 5 September 2015 at 23:19, David Gerard wrote: > > > I don’t feel safe because there is a code of conduct. But I tell you one > thing that makes me feel unsafe – men who will endlessly, vociferously > argue against them. Maybe a code of conduct isn’t meaningful. But at this

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct: Intro, Principles, and Unacceptable behavior sections

The first and last paras are particularly worth quoting: > Earlier this year I pulled out of a conference because the organiser and I > disagreed on code of conducts. Specifically I thought there should be one, > and he did not. He did eventually add one, but refused to define unacceptable >

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct: Intro, Principles, and Unacceptable behavior sections

On 6 September 2015 at 00:11, MZMcBride wrote: > become so enmeshed with the ultra-liberal feminist movement. I think there It would probably be fascinating to have this technical term defined with any specificity. > of this content, but I can see a lot potential allies

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct: Intro, Principles, and Unacceptable behavior sections

On 5 September 2015 at 21:11, Alex Monk wrote: > On 5 September 2015 at 23:19, David Gerard wrote: > > > > > I don’t feel safe because there is a code of conduct. But I tell you > one > > thing that makes me feel unsafe – men who will endlessly,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct: Intro, Principles, and Unacceptable behavior sections

On the general subject of codes of conduct and what they bring (or don't bring) in terms of user safety and a sense of inclusion, I recently encountered http://www.catehuston.com/blog/2015/09/02/code-of-conducts-and-worthless-manfeelings/ on Twitter - it's an interesting read and brings up a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct: Intro, Principles, and Unacceptable behavior sections

Oliver Keyes wrote: >On the general subject of codes of conduct and what they bring (or >don't bring) in terms of user safety and a sense of inclusion, I >recently encountered http://wp.me/p11Aax-4aq on Twitter - it's an >interesting read and brings up a couple of points definitely worth >thinking

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct: Intro, Principles, and Unacceptable behavior sections

On 5 September 2015 at 19:11, MZMcBride wrote: > Oliver Keyes wrote: >>On the general subject of codes of conduct and what they bring (or >>don't bring) in terms of user safety and a sense of inclusion, I >>recently encountered http://wp.me/p11Aax-4aq on Twitter - it's an

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct: Intro, Principles, and Unacceptable behavior sections

On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 10:37 PM, Matthew Flaschen wrote: > There is consensus at > > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Code_of_conduct_for_technical_spaces/Draft#Next_steps > that the best way to finalize the CoC draft is to focus on a few > sections at once (while

[Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct: Intro, Principles, and Unacceptable behavior sections

There is consensus at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Code_of_conduct_for_technical_spaces/Draft#Next_steps that the best way to finalize the CoC draft is to focus on a few sections at once (while still allowing people to comment on other ones). This allows progress without requiring people

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of conduct committee

On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Brion Vibber bvib...@wikimedia.org wrote: But I strongly recommend we seek out people who have experience with organizing this sort of thing before we try cobbling together an enforcement committee on our own, just as we seek out people with domain expertise

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of conduct committee

On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 9:27 PM, Matthew Flaschen mflasc...@wikimedia.org wrote: There is some discussion now about how the Code of Conduct Committee should be formed. See: *

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of conduct committee

Hi, On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 11:49 AM, Steinsplitter Wiki steinsplitter-w...@live.com wrote: Some thoughts about https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Code_of_conduct_for_technical_spaces/Draft * I can't see community consensus (RFC) for this. This page is currently a draft. It is not ready yet

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of conduct committee

On 21 August 2015 at 06:43, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi, On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 11:49 AM, Steinsplitter Wiki steinsplitter-w...@live.com wrote: Some thoughts about https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Code_of_conduct_for_technical_spaces/Draft * I can't see community consensus (RFC)

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of conduct committee

On 21/08/15 14:39, Oliver Keyes wrote: On 21 August 2015 at 06:43, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi, On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 11:49 AM, Steinsplitter Wiki steinsplitter-w...@live.com wrote: * I see a lot (maybe 70%) staffer edits there. I also would like to see more edits from

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of conduct committee

On 08/21/2015 06:43 AM, Quim Gil wrote: I also would like to see more edits from volunteers and other affiliations. Please jump in! Most WMF employees drafting and discussing there are doing so out of their personal interest, with no WMF directive and most likely on their own time. I'm basically

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of conduct committee

, 21 Aug 2015 00:27:22 -0400 From: mflasc...@wikimedia.org To: wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikitech-l] Code of conduct committee There is some discussion now about how the Code of Conduct Committee should be formed. See: * https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki

[Wikitech-l] Code of conduct committee

There is some discussion now about how the Code of Conduct Committee should be formed. See: * https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Code_of_conduct_for_technical_spaces/Draft#Membership_of_the_committee_and_ECT.27s_role and *

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of conduct

On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 5:22 PM, Alex Monk kren...@gmail.com wrote: It looks like Communicate about technology in public where possible. Private means of communication do exist, but prefer to use public places unless an exception is appropriate. has been removed and Publication of

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of conduct

On 08/17/2015 08:28 PM, Frances Hocutt wrote: On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 5:22 PM, Alex Monk kren...@gmail.com wrote: It looks like Communicate about technology in public where possible. Private means of communication do exist, but prefer to use public places unless an exception is appropriate.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of conduct

On 08/06/2015 08:17 PM, Matthew Flaschen wrote: Please participate at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Code_of_conduct_for_technical_spaces/Draft . The draft has now been rebased onto Contributor Covenant (a widely used Code of Conduct), per a discussion on our talk page. Now is a good time

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of conduct

It looks like Communicate about technology in public where possible. Private means of communication do exist, but prefer to use public places unless an exception is appropriate. has been removed and Publication of non-harassing private communication. has been added as a form of harassment... On

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of conduct

On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 2:28 AM, Matthew Flaschen mflasc...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 08/13/2015 06:09 PM, David Gerard wrote: On 13 August 2015 at 22:30, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote: Oliver, I must be a little blind but I do not see examples of unfriendly behaviour in this

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of conduct

On 15-08-13 08:31 PM, Matthew Flaschen wrote: Being a contributor does not give someone a get-out-of-jail-free card for bad behavior. Sorry, I see you missed a typo: s/does not/should not/ In practice, it very much does. Our communities have a long history of letting outright sociopathic

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of conduct

Hi, On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 11:30 PM, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote: In general, Matt, I do experience that the wikimedia movement is criticized having too many rules and policies. Add another one does not help. Years ago I was among the ones that would strongly oppose to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of conduct

Yes, and it may be possible to have enough social support for netiquette without resorting to written policies and enforcement procedures. I'd like to think that this is true, but given examples about problematic activities like personal attacks, I'm not sure. Is informal social pressure combined

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of conduct

On 13 August 2015 at 17:37, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, and it may be possible to have enough social support for netiquette without resorting to written policies and enforcement procedures. I'd like to think that this is true, but given examples about problematic activities like

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of conduct

On 08/13/2015 06:09 PM, David Gerard wrote: On 13 August 2015 at 22:30, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote: Oliver, I must be a little blind but I do not see examples of unfriendly behaviour in this thread. I linked to http://kovalc.in/2015/08/12/harassers.html - perhaps that

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of conduct

On 13 August 2015 at 22:30, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote: Oliver, I must be a little blind but I do not see examples of unfriendly behaviour in this thread. I linked to http://kovalc.in/2015/08/12/harassers.html - perhaps that doesn't count as unfriendly behaviour, or

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of conduct

On 08/13/2015 04:10 PM, Antoine Musso wrote: Do we have any examples of unfriendly behaviour that occurred recently? I am not going to call people out publically here for past incidents, since that's not the point of this exercise. If you want, you can contact me privately for examples.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of conduct

Yeah, it seems to me that there's a choice here. Either have a policy with an enforcement strategy and the social support for actually following through with that enforcement strategy in a way that makes situations better rather than more acrimonious, or don't have a written policy and let nature

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of conduct

On 08/13/2015 05:30 PM, rupert THURNER wrote: In general, Matt, I do experience that the wikimedia movement is criticized having too many rules and policies. Add another one does not help. Without commenting too much on Wikipedia's policies (some of them are necessary, some not so much), I

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of conduct

Le 07/08/2015 02:17, Matthew Flaschen a écrit : We're in the process of developing a code of conduct for technical spaces. This will be binding, and apply to all Wikimedia-related technical spaces (including but not limited to MediaWiki.org, Phabricator, Gerrit, technical IRC channels, and

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of conduct

On 13 August 2015 at 16:10, Antoine Musso hashar+...@free.fr wrote: Le 07/08/2015 02:17, Matthew Flaschen a écrit : We're in the process of developing a code of conduct for technical spaces. This will be binding, and apply to all Wikimedia-related technical spaces (including but not limited

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of conduct

On Aug 13, 2015 10:16 PM, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 13 August 2015 at 16:10, Antoine Musso hashar+...@free.fr wrote: Le 07/08/2015 02:17, Matthew Flaschen a écrit : We're in the process of developing a code of conduct for technical spaces. This will be binding, and apply

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of conduct

But as a collaborative project a decent amount of netiquette is definitely needed. Vito 2015-08-13 23:30 GMT+02:00 rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com: On Aug 13, 2015 10:16 PM, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 13 August 2015 at 16:10, Antoine Musso hashar+...@free.fr

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of conduct

Steven Walling wrote: What kind of standards for behavior we want and think are acceptable is a core concern of everyone in the Wikimedia and MediaWiki technical communities. This kind of personally-directed and demeaning feedback (This seems to be a pet issue of yours) is, perhaps ironically,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of conduct

Matthew Flaschen wrote: We're in the process of developing a code of conduct for technical spaces. This will be binding, and apply to all Wikimedia-related technical spaces (including but not limited to MediaWiki.org, Phabricator, Gerrit, technical IRC channels, and Etherpad). Who's we? This

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of conduct

On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 7:32 AM MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Matthew Flaschen wrote: We're in the process of developing a code of conduct for technical spaces. This will be binding, and apply to all Wikimedia-related technical spaces (including but not limited to MediaWiki.org,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of conduct

I'm curious who all 'we' is as well. On 07/08/15 17:29, Steven Walling wrote: On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 7:32 AM MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Matthew Flaschen wrote: We're in the process of developing a code of conduct for technical spaces. This will be binding, and apply to all

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of conduct

On 08/07/2015 01:42 AM, Pine W wrote: Hi James, It makes sense to me to have ground-up development of guidelines, as is happening in at least 3 venues that I know about. However, this also means policy/guideline fragmentation. In this case, I think a policy is more appropriate than a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of conduct

On 08/06/2015 08:50 PM, Pine W wrote: A note on IRC channels: these are generally governed by Freenode with the assistance of volunteers, and not WMF. I imagine that a WMF policy that has community consensus would be enforced by IRC ops in Wikimedia-themed channels. In general, I think ops are

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of conduct

Hi James, It makes sense to me to have ground-up development of guidelines, as is happening in at least 3 venues that I know about. However, this also means policy/guideline fragmentation. Also, AFAIK we don't have clear mechanisms for deploying lightweight or limited-scope policies; anything

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of conduct

CA and legal are aware. While TOS or other more global polices are certainly an option I'm not actually sure that's the right move 'at the moment'. There is a lot of movement to look at options (which will include wide community discussion) and may lead in a direction like that but, in general,

[Wikitech-l] Code of conduct

We're in the process of developing a code of conduct for technical spaces. This will be binding, and apply to all Wikimedia-related technical spaces (including but not limited to MediaWiki.org, Phabricator, Gerrit, technical IRC channels, and Etherpad). Please participate at

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of conduct

On 08/06/2015 08:17 PM, Matthew Flaschen wrote: We're in the process of developing a code of conduct for technical spaces. This will be binding, and apply to all Wikimedia-related technical spaces (including but not limited to MediaWiki.org, Phabricator, Gerrit, technical IRC channels, and

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of conduct

Hi Matthew. If you intend this to be binding, I suggest that you coordinate this with other work being done by WMF Community Advocacy and Legal. My hope would be to have a uniform Friendly Space Policy that is a TOS amendment and applies to all Wikimedia spaces. A note on IRC channels: these are