Hi James, It makes sense to me to have ground-up development of guidelines, as is happening in at least 3 venues that I know about. However, this also means policy/guideline fragmentation. Also, AFAIK we don't have clear mechanisms for deploying lightweight or limited-scope policies; anything with the word "policy" in its title requires a lot of work to create or change. That's good to a certain extent because consensus and widespread input hopefully will improve the outcome of the policy development. On the other hand, policy development takes time and patience.
Can I ask if there is any particular hurry to deploy a friendly space policy specifically for technical spaces? My personal sense is that the vast majority of technical discussions in most venues are civil, so I'm not sensing a need for an exception for technical spaces that results in a limited-scope policy being applied in advance of developing a global friendly space policy. Pine On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 10:13 PM, James Alexander <jalexan...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > CA and legal are aware. While TOS or other more global polices are > certainly an option I'm not actually sure that's the right move 'at the > moment'. There is a lot of movement to look at options (which will include > wide community discussion) and may lead in a direction like that but, in > general, that is not a reason to delay implementation of processes like > this which can, in fact, assist with the decision making and the tweaking. > Once you've made a giant global policy tweaking it is really hard! Even > when everyone agrees it needs it (and therefore the policy ends up being > less and less enforced even where it should be). Yes a global policy would > have a wide consultation or RfC type discussion before being but that's not > the only thing we NEED here in order to get something that works. We need > to see it in ACTION and be able to see what works and what doesn't work. > > James Alexander > Community Advocacy > Wikimedia Foundation > (415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur > > On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 5:50 PM, Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi Matthew. If you intend this to be binding, I suggest that you > coordinate > > this with other work being done by WMF Community Advocacy and Legal. My > > hope would be to have a uniform Friendly Space Policy that is a TOS > > amendment and applies to all Wikimedia spaces. > > > > A note on IRC channels: these are generally governed by Freenode with the > > assistance of volunteers, and not WMF. I imagine that a WMF policy that > has > > community consensus would be enforced by IRC ops in Wikimedia-themed > > channels. In general, I think ops are good at keeping the peace. > > > > Regards, > > > > Pine > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikitech-l mailing list > > Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
