Re: [Wikitech-l] Developing true WISIWYG editor for media wiki

2010-08-20 Thread Neil Kandalgaonkar
On 8/20/10 12:57 PM, Maciej Jaros wrote: >Hi. > > Does anybody know which extension Wikia uses currently? On Wikia's SVN > I've found the RTE extension[1], but I think they at least something > extra for adding categories... Not really sure, but I know what you mean. BTW, I am working on some

Re: [Wikitech-l] Developing true WISIWYG editor for media wiki

2010-08-20 Thread Daniel Friesen
Category stuff is a separate extension independent of the RTE. https://svn.wikia-code.com/wikia/trunk/extensions/wikia/CategorySelect/ Their RTE is an improvement, but last I checked it still has enough annoying faults to have a number of wikia request it be disabled wiki-wide. ~Daniel Friesen (Da

Re: [Wikitech-l] Developing true WISIWYG editor for media wiki

2010-08-20 Thread Maciej Jaros
Hi. Does anybody know which extension Wikia uses currently? On Wikia's SVN I've found the RTE extension[1], but I think they at least something extra for adding categories... BTW. I think that usability might consider working from their version rather then developing everything from scratch.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Developing true WISIWYG editor for media wiki

2010-08-14 Thread William Le Ferrand
Yes, you have a point. The problem is that I wanted to reuse the google closure editor, which manipulates pure html. Anyway, I've *slightly* cleaned the sources (at least it builds smoothly, with the latest version of the required tools as explained in the README), and it is online at http://githu

Re: [Wikitech-l] Developing true WISIWYG editor for media wiki

2010-08-13 Thread Roan Kattouw
2010/8/13 William Le Ferrand : > 1) No, I haven't check that. It is a very important issue, but if the > current result is not correct it should be a matter of fixing a few > bugs here and there, not a global design issue. > There is a very fundamental issue with converting wikitext to HTML, then b

Re: [Wikitech-l] Developing true WISIWYG editor for media wiki

2010-08-13 Thread David Gerard
2010/8/13 Trevor Parscal : > I'm not an OCaml programmer, so I'd likely be useless in giving input - > but open-sourcing it and putting the code in a repository is always a > good way to find people who are and to get them involved. Particularly with such a desirable functionality as this. - d

Re: [Wikitech-l] Developing true WISIWYG editor for media wiki

2010-08-13 Thread Trevor Parscal
Very exciting work, thanks for the quality responses. I'm not an OCaml programmer, so I'd likely be useless in giving input - but open-sourcing it and putting the code in a repository is always a good way to find people who are and to get them involved. - Trevor On 8/13/10 12:19 PM, William

Re: [Wikitech-l] Developing true WISIWYG editor for media wiki

2010-08-13 Thread David Gerard
2010/8/13 William Le Ferrand : > I'm using a functional language called OCaml (www.ocaml.org). Have you > ever heard of it? Our math extensions for displaying TeX use it. In fact, they've been languishing for a lack of OCaml programmers ... - d. ___

Re: [Wikitech-l] Developing true WISIWYG editor for media wiki

2010-08-13 Thread William Le Ferrand
Hi Trevor, Thanks for the reply! Actually I wrote this code for fun a few months ago; the core is done but there is still a lot of room for improvements ;) I'm using a functional language called OCaml (www.ocaml.org). Have you ever heard of it? It comes with several fancy tools; I used ocamllex

Re: [Wikitech-l] Developing true WISIWYG editor for media wiki

2010-08-13 Thread Trevor Parscal
This looks very interesting. 1. Have you been checking the cleanliness of your diffs? 2. It seems like some of the links which link to a different word than the label text are being rendered incorrectly. Examples include "parents" and "joint ventures" in the second paragraph.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Developing true WISIWYG editor for media wiki

2010-08-13 Thread William Le Ferrand
Hi, I sent a mail several months ago on this list to 'advertise' for a wysiwyg editor for wikipedia. It is still hosted on a server, for instance if you attempt to edit the page Open_innovation you get that : http://www.myrilion.com:8080/wysiwyg?article=Open_innovation The point with this editor

Re: [Wikitech-l] Developing true WISIWYG editor for media wiki

2010-08-12 Thread Павел Петроченко
Hi, glad to present our first demo on editing media wiki articles: http://www.screencast.com/t/NmMzMjVkNjUt Regards, Pavel 2010/8/3 Павел Петроченко > Hi, > > > >Yes, of course we are interested on it. > >Specifically, the ideal WISIWYG MediaWiki editor would allow easy > >WISIWYG editing to new

Re: [Wikitech-l] Developing true WISIWYG editor for media wiki

2010-08-04 Thread Marco Schuster
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:47 PM, Platonides wrote: > Tei wrote: >> What about compiling  PHP for the Flash extension? >> http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/alchemy/ >> >> Then you can use a modified version of the original PHP files. > > That talks about compiling C/C++ to Flash, not PHP to Flash.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Developing true WISIWYG editor for media wiki

2010-08-04 Thread Neil Kandalgaonkar
On 8/4/10 3:14 PM, Aryeh Gregor wrote: > On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Neil Kandalgaonkar > wrote: >> On a more serious note: when it comes to Flash on Wikimedia projects, >> the WMF board has said no. > > Has it? Where? I think everyone is grudgingly okay for Flash as a > fallback for browse

Re: [Wikitech-l] Developing true WISIWYG editor for media wiki

2010-08-04 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Neil Kandalgaonkar wrote: > On a more serious note: when it comes to Flash on Wikimedia projects, > the WMF board has said no. Has it? Where? I think everyone is grudgingly okay for Flash as a fallback for browsers that don't support standards-based markup . . .

Re: [Wikitech-l] Developing true WISIWYG editor for media wiki

2010-08-04 Thread Neil Kandalgaonkar
On 8/4/10 2:47 PM, Platonides wrote: >> What about [various insanity snipped] Flash On a more serious note: when it comes to Flash on Wikimedia projects, the WMF board has said no. In this modern age of HTML5 and so on, I wouldn't ever pick Flash as a technology the WMF should use going forward

Re: [Wikitech-l] Developing true WISIWYG editor for media wiki

2010-08-04 Thread Domas Mituzas
> Unless you use hip-hop to do PHP->C++, then alchemy for C++ -> Flash... > A really crazy idea :) crazy uneducated idea :) Domas ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Developing true WISIWYG editor for media wiki

2010-08-04 Thread Platonides
Tei wrote: > On 3 August 2010 11:18, Marco Schuster wrote: >> I don't have the link ready, but Google solved this in Google Docs by >> re-implementing this in Javascript... they intercept mouse >> movements/clicks and keyboard events and then javascript-render the >> page. >> Given the complexity

Re: [Wikitech-l] Developing true WISIWYG editor for media wiki

2010-08-04 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Mark Wonsil wrote: > Not to mention, it puts all of the presentation logic in the article > which eliminates the benefits of using CSS. That is not an inherent characteristic of WYSIWYG. It's true of WYSIWYG as implemented in, for instance, Microsoft Word, but it

Re: [Wikitech-l] Developing true WISIWYG editor for media wiki

2010-08-04 Thread Mark Wonsil
> Every time this comes up, I feel compelled to point out that true WYSIWYG has > to work with all parser tag extensions. > Otherwise, it's not really WYSIWYG. Not to mention, it puts all of the presentation logic in the article which eliminates the benefits of using CSS. I'd much prefer a Conten

Re: [Wikitech-l] Developing true WISIWYG editor for media wiki

2010-08-04 Thread Tei
On 3 August 2010 11:18, Marco Schuster wrote: > On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Jacopo Corbetta > wrote: >> However, the "editing mode" provided by browsers is a nightmare of >> incompatibilities. Basically, each browser produces a different output >> given identical commands, so currently MeanE

Re: [Wikitech-l] Developing true WISIWYG editor for media wiki

2010-08-04 Thread Jim Hu
Every time this comes up, I feel compelled to point out that true WYSIWYG has to work with all parser tag extensions. Otherwise, it's not really WYSIWYG. Jim On Aug 3, 2010, at 12:25 PM, Neil Kandalgaonkar wrote: > On 8/3/10 2:18 AM, Marco Schuster wrote: > >> I don't have the link ready, but

Re: [Wikitech-l] Developing true WISIWYG editor for media wiki

2010-08-03 Thread Neil Kandalgaonkar
On 8/3/10 2:18 AM, Marco Schuster wrote: > I don't have the link ready, but Google solved this in Google Docs by > re-implementing this in Javascript... they intercept mouse > movements/clicks and keyboard events and then javascript-render the > page. http://googledocs.blogspot.com/2010/05/whats-

Re: [Wikitech-l] Developing true WISIWYG editor for media wiki

2010-08-03 Thread Павел Петроченко
Hi, >Yes, of course we are interested on it. >Specifically, the ideal WISIWYG MediaWiki editor would allow easy >WISIWYG editing to newbies, while still allowing to use the full >wikisyntax to power users, without inserting crappy markup when using >it, or reordering everything to its liking when

Re: [Wikitech-l] Developing true WISIWYG editor for media wiki

2010-08-03 Thread Marco Schuster
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Jacopo Corbetta wrote: > However, the "editing mode" provided by browsers is a nightmare of > incompatibilities. Basically, each browser produces a different output > given identical commands, so currently MeanEditor is not completely up > to the task. An external

Re: [Wikitech-l] Developing true WISIWYG editor for media wiki

2010-08-03 Thread Jacopo Corbetta
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 00:49, Platonides wrote: > The problem that makes this really hard is that MediaWiki syntax is not > nice. So I'm a bit skeptical about that fast quality editor. You can > find in the list archives many discussions about it, and also in wikitext-l. > Things like providing a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Developing true WISIWYG editor for media wiki

2010-08-02 Thread Neil Kandalgaonkar
On 8/2/10 9:29 AM, Павел Петроченко wrote: > Hi guys, > > At the moment we are discussing an opportunity to create full scale > true WYSIWYG client for media wiki. To the moment we have a technology > which should allow us to implement with a good quality and quite fast. > Unfortunately we are not

Re: [Wikitech-l] Developing true WISIWYG editor for media wiki

2010-08-02 Thread Platonides
Павел Петроченко wrote: > Hi guys, > > At the moment we are discussing an opportunity to create full scale > true WYSIWYG client for media wiki. To the moment we have a technology > which should allow us to implement with a good quality and quite fast. > Unfortunately we are not sure > if there is

[Wikitech-l] Developing true WISIWYG editor for media wiki

2010-08-02 Thread Павел Петроченко
Hi guys, At the moment we are discussing an opportunity to create full scale true WYSIWYG client for media wiki. To the moment we have a technology which should allow us to implement with a good quality and quite fast. Unfortunately we are not sure if there is a real need/interest for having such