Re: [Wikitech-l] Engineers in residence

2014-08-11 Thread Antoine Musso
Le 10/08/2014 10:27, svetlana a écrit : I feel that having development carried out by employees hinders programming the same software as a hobby: for instance, they work in a single language, and don't need localised documentation We have developers across all continents with a wide range of

Re: [Wikitech-l] Engineers in residence

2014-08-10 Thread svetlana
On Sun, 10 Aug 2014, at 04:04, Andre Klapper wrote: programming should be a hobby, like editing articles Free Software definitions don't imply that you shall not take money for your work, or eventually even make a living on it. It's part of the personal freedom that everybody has. However,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Engineers in residence

2014-08-10 Thread Chris McMahon
On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 5:22 PM, dan-nl dan.entous.wikime...@gmail.com wrote: this is an excellent idea and i don't think it needs to be focused only on large corporations or only on corporate individuals who want to volunteer. i would suggest opening the idea to any developer with a skill set

Re: [Wikitech-l] Engineers in residence

2014-08-10 Thread Dan Garry
On 10 August 2014 13:57, Chris McMahon cmcma...@wikimedia.org wrote: Actually, I think we should consider serious limits to any such proposal, such as (as Gilles suggested) working only with reputable employees (or ex-employees, like Aaron Arcos) of reputable companies. Otherwise I suspect

Re: [Wikitech-l] Engineers in residence

2014-08-10 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 9:27 AM, svetlana svetl...@fastmail.com.au wrote: I feel that having development carried out by employees hinders programming the same software as a hobby: for instance, they work in a single language, and don't need localised documentation Good localized software is

Re: [Wikitech-l] Engineers in residence

2014-08-10 Thread Gilles Dubuc
personally i really liked your comparison, when we were chatting the other day, to an artist in residence -- imo, programmers are the artists of our time and this matches well. Absolutely, I also like that idea of doing something similar to artist residencies. This could take many forms. The

Re: [Wikitech-l] Engineers in residence

2014-08-10 Thread Chris McMahon
On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Gilles Dubuc gil...@wikimedia.org wrote: personally i really liked your comparison, when we were chatting the other day, to an artist in residence -- imo, programmers are the artists of our time and this matches well. To me the point is to have our

Re: [Wikitech-l] Engineers in residence

2014-08-10 Thread Joel Sahleen
+1 Scott As a new hire at WMF, I consider it to be a privilege to be doing work that supports the efforts of the community and the movement, but I am also proud of the fact that what I am doing allows me to support my family without compromising my personal values. Doing good and making a

[Wikitech-l] Engineers in residence

2014-08-09 Thread Gilles Dubuc
This is an idea I've had for a while, and I'd like to see if there's any interest, or on the contrary concerns, about it. I would like to explore (and if I have official blessing, champion) the idea of asking corporations with software engineering staff if they would be willing to let their

Re: [Wikitech-l] Engineers in residence

2014-08-09 Thread svetlana
utter and complete rubbish as it excludes the community and leaves all development within corporate hands; All against free software philosophy and/or community involvement programming should be a hobby, like editing articles svetlana On Sat, 9 Aug 2014, at 23:27, Gilles Dubuc wrote: This is

Re: [Wikitech-l] Engineers in residence

2014-08-09 Thread Dan Garry
On 9 August 2014 15:23, svetlana svetl...@fastmail.com.au wrote: utter and complete rubbish as it excludes the community and leaves all development within corporate hands; All against free software philosophy and/or community involvement Gilles' proposal does no such thing. On the contrary,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Engineers in residence

2014-08-09 Thread Gilles Dubuc
It doesn't exclude the community, the community already contributes to the software. That's the point of open source. In fact I would expect that people who already contribute to mediawiki as hobby who are also software engineers as a day job would enjoy being given the freedom to work on what

Re: [Wikitech-l] Engineers in residence

2014-08-09 Thread dan-nl
this is an excellent idea and i don't think it needs to be focused only on large corporations or only on corporate individuals who want to volunteer. i would suggest opening the idea to any developer with a skill set that's needed or who wants to learn. and make it available in any Foundation

Re: [Wikitech-l] Engineers in residence

2014-08-09 Thread Emmanuel Engelhart
On 08/09/2014 03:27 PM, Gilles Dubuc wrote: This is an idea I've had for a while, and I'd like to see if there's any interest, or on the contrary concerns, about it. I would like to explore (and if I have official blessing, champion) the idea of asking corporations with software engineering

Re: [Wikitech-l] Engineers in residence

2014-08-09 Thread Andre Klapper
On Sun, 2014-08-10 at 00:23 +1000, svetlana wrote: utter and complete rubbish as it excludes the community and leaves all development within corporate hands; All against free software philosophy and/or community involvement I don't appreciate the language you used. Assume that people mean

Re: [Wikitech-l] Engineers in residence

2014-08-09 Thread Chad
+1 to everything Andre said. -Chad On Aug 9, 2014 7:05 PM, Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Sun, 2014-08-10 at 00:23 +1000, svetlana wrote: utter and complete rubbish as it excludes the community and leaves all development within corporate hands; All against free software

Re: [Wikitech-l] Engineers in residence

2014-08-09 Thread Quim Gil
Hi, On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Gilles Dubuc gil...@wikimedia.org wrote: asking corporations with software engineering staff if they would be willing to let their employees volunteer their expertise and time to mediawiki while ideally still being on their employer's payroll. I mean