Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki Bug Bounty Program

2014-06-28 Thread Tyler Romeo
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 9:06 AM, Antoine Musso hashar+...@free.fr wrote: Doesn't WMF has a plan to provide badges in MediaWiki itself? Kind of Wikiloves which let you distribute barn pages on talk pages but a bit more robust? Well we made an OpenBadges extension for Facebook OpenAcademy, but

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki Bug Bounty Program

2014-06-27 Thread Antoine Musso
Le 26/06/2014 17:03, Andre Klapper a écrit : I have seen several 'bug reports' in Mozilla Bugzilla by 'security researchers' about source code of projects being exposed on Mozilla's servers. Clearly a security breach. What does FOSS stand for? So it boils down to how to keep clueless people

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki Bug Bounty Program

2014-06-27 Thread Antoine Musso
Le 26/06/2014 01:28, Tyler Romeo a écrit : snip Therefore, I thought it may be beneficial to take that over to Wikipedia and start our own bug bounty program. Most likely, it would be strictly a hall of fame like structure where people would be recognized for submitting bug reports (maybe

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki Bug Bounty Program

2014-06-27 Thread Andre Klapper
On Fri, 2014-06-27 at 15:06 +0200, Antoine Musso wrote: I would like us to have our own instance of Google Code-in to list tasks that could be fulfilled by volunteers. Kind of the +easy bugs we have in Bugzilla but with a nicer interface that only has those tasks.

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki Bug Bounty Program

2014-06-26 Thread Tyler Romeo
it. --  Tyler Romeo 0xC86B42DF From: Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com Reply: Wikimedia developers wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Date: June 26, 2014 at 0:34:54 To: Wikimedia developers wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject:  Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki Bug Bounty Program On 6/26/14, Chris Steipp

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki Bug Bounty Program

2014-06-26 Thread MZMcBride
Tyler Romeo wrote: OK, so really the process that we need here is: 1) Get more people on the security team via NDA and whatnot (sign me up, by the way, obviously) Any process that involves volunteers signing non-public, indefinite vows of secrecy and silence are antithetical to Wikimedia's

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki Bug Bounty Program

2014-06-26 Thread Brad Jorsch (Anomie)
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 12:33 AM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: What I mean by that is that being a WMF employee/contractor wouldn't get you any special treatment - trusted people would get special access where needed because they're trusted and have demonstrated their competence. A

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki Bug Bounty Program

2014-06-26 Thread Jeremy Baron
On Jun 26, 2014 9:44 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Any process that involves volunteers signing non-public, indefinite vows of secrecy and silence are antithetical to Wikimedia's values and mission. This isn't a cult. Our bedrock principles are open access and transparency. To

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki Bug Bounty Program

2014-06-26 Thread Tyler Romeo
To: Wikimedia developers wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject:  Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki Bug Bounty Program Any process that involves volunteers signing non-public, indefinite vows of secrecy and silence are antithetical to Wikimedia's values and mission. This isn't a cult. Our bedrock principles

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki Bug Bounty Program

2014-06-26 Thread David Gerard
As a third-party user: I completely concur. NDAs for security bug access are pretty much standard, aren't they? - d. On 26 June 2014 15:08, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: I’ll be frank. I care a lot more about the security of MediaWiki as a software product, as well as the

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki Bug Bounty Program

2014-06-26 Thread Bartosz Dziewoński
I feel like this would result in a ton of reports that say YOU CAN DEFACE THE MAIN PAGE!!! which is editable, if not protected, because it's a wiki. -- Matma Rex ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki Bug Bounty Program

2014-06-26 Thread Andre Klapper
A general and boring explanation on how access restrictions are handled/configured in Bugzilla currently. No opinions involved. On Wed, 2014-06-25 at 21:18 -0700, Chris Steipp wrote: There are a few cases where there may be legitimate private data in a security bug (look, sql injection, and

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki Bug Bounty Program

2014-06-26 Thread Andre Klapper
On Thu, 2014-06-26 at 16:17 +0200, Bartosz Dziewoński wrote: I feel like this would result in a ton of reports that say YOU CAN DEFACE THE MAIN PAGE!!! which is editable, if not protected, because it's a wiki. This. I have seen several 'bug reports' in Mozilla Bugzilla by 'security

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki Bug Bounty Program

2014-06-26 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 06/26/2014 10:15 AM, David Gerard wrote: NDAs for security bug access are pretty much standard, aren't they? I don't know about standard but they are certainly common in cases where said software has a large installed base and early disclosure of a vulnerability would place them at risk

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki Bug Bounty Program

2014-06-26 Thread Chad
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 8:03 AM, Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Thu, 2014-06-26 at 16:17 +0200, Bartosz Dziewoński wrote: I feel like this would result in a ton of reports that say YOU CAN DEFACE THE MAIN PAGE!!! which is editable, if not protected, because it's a wiki.

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki Bug Bounty Program

2014-06-26 Thread Alex Monk
On 26 June 2014 15:02, Jeremy Baron jer...@tuxmachine.com wrote: On Jun 26, 2014 9:44 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Any process that involves volunteers signing non-public, indefinite vows of secrecy and silence are antithetical to Wikimedia's values and mission. This isn't a

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki Bug Bounty Program

2014-06-26 Thread MZMcBride
Marc A. Pelletier wrote: On 06/26/2014 10:15 AM, David Gerard wrote: NDAs for security bug access are pretty much standard, aren't they? I don't know about standard but they are certainly common in cases where said software has a large installed base and early disclosure of a vulnerability would

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki Bug Bounty Program

2014-06-26 Thread Luis Villa
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 12:57 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Jeremy Baron wrote: Maybe Max is unaware about https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Volunteer_NDA Err, thanks for the link. As pointed out, that page is less than a week old and had not been advertised or linked from

[Wikitech-l] MediaWiki Bug Bounty Program

2014-06-25 Thread Tyler Romeo
Hey everybody, So today at the iSEC Partners security open forum I heard a talk from Zane Lackey, the former security lead for Etsy, concerning the effectiveness of bug bounties. He made two points: 1) Bug bounties are unlikely to cause harm, especially for Wikipedia, which I asked him about,

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki Bug Bounty Program

2014-06-25 Thread Chris McMahon
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: Therefore, I thought it may be beneficial to take that over to Wikipedia and start our own bug bounty program. Most likely, it would be strictly a hall of fame like structure where people would be recognized for

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki Bug Bounty Program

2014-06-25 Thread Chris Steipp
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: Hey everybody, So today at the iSEC Partners security open forum I heard a talk from Zane Lackey, the former security lead for Etsy, concerning the effectiveness of bug bounties. He made two points: 1) Bug bounties

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki Bug Bounty Program

2014-06-25 Thread Alex Monk
Chris, why don't we leave privacy policy compliance to the users posting on the bug? Wikimedia personal user data shouldn't be going to the security product. Why does WMF get the right to control by access to MediaWiki security bugs anyway? Could we not simply host MediaWiki stuff externally?

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki Bug Bounty Program

2014-06-25 Thread Chris Steipp
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 5:49 PM, Alex Monk kren...@gmail.com wrote: Chris, why don't we leave privacy policy compliance to the users posting on the bug? Wikimedia personal user data shouldn't be going to the security product. There are a few cases where there may be legitimate private data in

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki Bug Bounty Program

2014-06-25 Thread Brian Wolff
On 6/26/14, Chris Steipp cste...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 5:49 PM, Alex Monk kren...@gmail.com wrote: Chris, why don't we leave privacy policy compliance to the users posting on the bug? Wikimedia personal user data shouldn't be going to the security product. There are a