In the past couple of weeks I've been talking with Sam Reed (WMF's
current MediaWiki release manager) and Rob Laphiner (WMF's Platform
Engineering Director) about the future of MediaWiki tarballs.
I began this discussion after Rob expressed regret about the WMF's
ability to give tarball distributi
On 6 June 2012 18:36, Mark A. Hershberger wrote:
> I've been discussing this with some MediaWiki sites as well as setting
> up a separate mailing list for packagers (such as Debian and RedHat
> distributors) and discussing it there. So far the response has been
> positive.
Speaking as a tarbal
;)
Cheers, Markus
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>Definitely interested! I have just finished some packaging for the Web App
Gallery
>and would like to see (and add) some more flexibility to the installer.
Also, at SF
>Hackathon, we had some discussion about the use of MediaWiki by outside
>parties, their issues and how to make their lives easier
Just to clarify, as it's not particularly clear to me - you're looking for
people willing to test, package and release MediaWiki?
If so, I'd be happy to learn how.
On 06/06/12 18:36, Mark A. Hershberger wrote:
In the past couple of weeks I've been talking with Sam Reed (WMF's
current MediaWiki
On 06/06/2012 01:48 PM, David Gerard wrote:
> is there any reason this list should be separate from
> mediawiki-l? At least it should be announced there.
Done.
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On 06/06/2012 02:00 PM, Krenair wrote:
> Just to clarify, as it's not particularly clear to me - you're looking
> for people willing to test, package and release MediaWiki?
> If so, I'd be happy to learn how.
Yes. I am willing to take on the tarball maintenance if needed, but if
you are willing a
On 6 June 2012 19:20, Mark A. Hershberger wrote:
> Speaking of testing, if anyone wants to help make sure the 1.19 release
> of MediaWiki included in the next Debian package (and probably the next
> Ubuntu package) is working, now is the time to test. Debian will soon
> freeze their packages for
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 2:25 PM, David Gerard wrote:
> On 6 June 2012 19:20, Mark A. Hershberger wrote:
>
>> Speaking of testing, if anyone wants to help make sure the 1.19 release
>> of MediaWiki included in the next Debian package (and probably the next
>> Ubuntu package) is working, now is the
On 06/06/2012 02:25 PM, David Gerard wrote:
> Last I recalled, the Debian MediaWiki was regarded as a pit of
> gratuitous weirdness of sufficient extent that it was all but
> deprecated, and any sane admin installs from the tarball. Is this
> still the state of play, and if not then what improved?
On 06/06/2012 02:29 PM, Chad wrote:
> Well since we introduced a CLI installer ...
Side note: we re-introduced the CLI installer. I discovered this while
tracking down ancient MediaWikis last week, an ancient version of MW
(1.2?) used a command line install method.
I'm sure the current one is mu
On 6 June 2012 19:31, Mark A. Hershberger wrote:
> On 06/06/2012 02:25 PM, David Gerard wrote:
>> Last I recalled, the Debian MediaWiki was regarded as a pit of
>> gratuitous weirdness of sufficient extent that it was all but
>> deprecated, and any sane admin installs from the tarball. Is this
>>
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Mark A. Hershberger wrote:
> On 06/06/2012 02:29 PM, Chad wrote:
>> Well since we introduced a CLI installer ...
>
> Side note: we re-introduced the CLI installer. I discovered this while
> tracking down ancient MediaWikis last week, an ancient version of MW
> (1.2
On 06/06/12 20:29, Chad wrote:
> Well since we introduced a CLI installer, it should make the process
> much cleaner for people packaging the wiki. I don't know what work
> has been done (if any), but the groundwork's been laid on our end.
>
> The other big complaint we've had over time is moving
On 06/06/2012 04:55 PM, Platonides wrote:
> The problem in the past was primarily lack of cooperation from the
> packagers. I remember years ago that Aryeh offered help in some bug
> trackers (with little/no response).
To encourage cooperation, I started the low-traffic
mediawiki-distributors last
>>Also, at SF
>>Hackathon, we had some discussion about the use of MediaWiki by outside
>>parties, their issues and how to make their lives easier ;)
> What did your discussions conclude?
Actually, it was even earlier...;) Discussion notes can be found at
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/NOLA_Hac
On 6 June 2012 23:53, Mark A. Hershberger wrote:
> To encourage cooperation, I started the low-traffic
> mediawiki-distributors last week. I also asked Debian to work on
> packaging 1.19 instead of 1.18 for their impending freeze and have been
> working with them on their pkg-mediawiki-devel mai
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 7:08 PM, David Gerard wrote:
> On 6 June 2012 23:53, Mark A. Hershberger wrote:
>> Absolutely. This is one of the main reasons that I want to tag 1.19 as
>> a LTS version -- so we can continue to do our work in Gerrit without a
>> problem.
>
> Oooh. How long do you roughly
On 6 June 2012 23:53, Mark A. Hershberger wrote:
By the way, I noticed today that this page exists and is in sore need
of updating:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Running_MediaWiki_on_Debian_GNU/Linux
- d.
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We should kill those distro-specific pages and I've been saying that for
years. Most of the advice ends up being rather generic, it forks the
content, and they generally end up being abandoned and out of date.
-Chad
On Jun 7, 2012 10:26 AM, "David Gerard" wrote:
> On 6 June 2012 23:53, Mark A. H
On 7 June 2012 16:26, Chad wrote:
> We should kill those distro-specific pages and I've been saying that for
> years. Most of the advice ends up being rather generic, it forks the
> content, and they generally end up being abandoned and out of date.
*Not while they need to exist*. At the least,
On 06/07/2012 12:55 PM, David Gerard wrote:
> I'll start hacking that page to bits, on the assumption that it needs
> burning and starting over. What is Debian's mailing list for
> MediaWiki? I went looking for it and couldn't find it ...
http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-mediawiki-deve
On 7 June 2012 18:07, Mark A. Hershberger wrote:
> On 06/07/2012 12:55 PM, David Gerard wrote:
>> I'll start hacking that page to bits, on the assumption that it needs
>> burning and starting over. What is Debian's mailing list for
>> MediaWiki? I went looking for it and couldn't find it ...
> h
On 07/06/12 00:53, Mark A. Hershberger wrote:
>> I'd happily add hooks they needed to remove the need of patching for
>> MediaWiki packagers, or including a script to move if that's what they
>> really want.
>
> Packaging is happening right now. Look at the patches they're making
> here:
> http:/
On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 1:45 PM, Platonides wrote:
> On 07/06/12 00:53, Mark A. Hershberger wrote:
>>> I'd happily add hooks they needed to remove the need of patching for
>>> MediaWiki packagers, or including a script to move if that's what they
>>> really want.
>>
>> Packaging is happening right
On 06/07/2012 01:45 PM, Platonides wrote:
> So yes, I'm happy we are improving collaboration packagers <-> upstream.
Thanks for looking at it! I'll make sure they see your comments.
Mark.
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On 07/06/12 03:36, Mark A. Hershberger wrote:
> The Foundation has made MediaWiki available for everyone and that's a
> great thing. But Wikimedia's funding comes from donations as a result
> of requests on Wikipedia, not from distribution of MediaWiki, so they
> are rightly focused on their produ
8 Июнь 2012 г. 5:33:06 пользователь Tim Starling (tstarl...@wikimedia.org)
написал:
On 07/06/12 03:36, Mark A. Hershberger wrote:
> The Foundation has made MediaWiki available for everyone and that's a
> great thing. But Wikimedia's funding comes from donations as a result
> of requests
On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 12:55 PM, David Gerard wrote:
> *Not while they need to exist*. At the least, we need to document when
> a distro does something weirdarse.
>
I started filling in the list in terms of the directory structure.
Hopefully one of the package maintainers will look at it (with Cu
On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 9:32 PM, Tim Starling wrote:
> On 07/06/12 03:36, Mark A. Hershberger wrote:
>> The Foundation has made MediaWiki available for everyone and that's a
>> great thing. But Wikimedia's funding comes from donations as a result
>> of requests on Wikipedia, not from distribution
On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 4:02 AM, Benjamin Lees wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 9:32 PM, Tim Starling wrote:
>> I've long believed that MediaWiki should be considered a project of
>> the WMF, on the same level as the wikis we host. Perhaps if we
>> included donation requests on the download and inst
On 8 June 2012 02:32, Tim Starling wrote:
> I've long believed that MediaWiki should be considered a project of
> the WMF, on the same level as the wikis we host.
It's quite definitely on-mission: it makes this form of
knowledge-spreading normal and expected.
(Of course, just consider the pere
On 7 June 2012 18:55, Chad wrote:
> Looking at the Ubuntu package[0], there's a *bunch* of other patches
> Have these all been upstreamed (some obviously have, and some are
> backports)
> [0] http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal/web/mediawiki
By the way - that's still MW 1.15. Is it too late for
The debian import freeze for ubuntu 12.10 is at july 5th[0]. They
import testing and/or unstable, and they both have 1.15. The MediaWiki
1.19 package is in experimental currently[1], but I don't really know
why. Maybe ask the maintainer to push the 1.19 package to testing?
[0] https://wiki.ubuntu.
On 06/10/2012 04:15 PM, Martijn Hoekstra wrote:
> The debian import freeze for ubuntu 12.10 is at july 5th[0]. ...
> Maybe ask the maintainer to push the 1.19 package to testing?
I discussed this with them last week and that is the current plan. It
is being vetted in experimental before it gets p
On 09/06/12 09:46, Rob Lanphier wrote:
> I've long mused out loud about this possibility, but I've become less
> certain over time that this is a good outcome based on what happened
> with Mozilla Messaging (spun out to work on Thunderbird, then folded
> back into Mozilla). The overhead of yet ano
On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 10:03 PM, Tim Starling wrote:
> On 09/06/12 09:46, Rob Lanphier wrote:
>> I've long mused out loud about this possibility, but I've become less
>> certain over time that this is a good outcome based on what happened
>> with Mozilla Messaging (spun out to work on Thunderbird
On 12 June 2012 21:45, Rob Lanphier wrote:
> We're still planning to actually publish the tarballs and issue
> security releases. We might even get in there and fix some installer
> bugs as the crop up.
> Sure, there's all types of work that would make MediaWiki for third
> parties great:
> * M
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 1:58 PM, David Gerard wrote:
> Motivated volunteers - e.g. people like me who use the tarballs - are
> probably the right people for the job 'cos we'd be scratching our
> itches. (I suppose this means I have to actually do things now.)
Bwahahaha...he falls right into my tr
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