Re: [Wikitech-l] serious questions about UsabilityInitiative going live

2010-04-05 Thread Roan Kattouw
2010/4/4 Dmitriy Sintsov ques...@rambler.ru: I've thought that minimal version of syntax highlighting and some another WikEd features are in Extension:UsabilityInitiative (with some additional parameters in LocalSettings.php), but these weren't working for me in early betas. I will try to

Re: [Wikitech-l] serious questions about UsabilityInitiative going live

2010-04-03 Thread Ilmari Karonen
Mike.lifeguard wrote: Is there any documentation for converting monobook-ish js to vector-ish js? The first step is generally to try and see if it'll Just Work(TM). Most of my scripts[1], though originally written for Monobook, seem to work just fine under Vector. (There used to be some

Re: [Wikitech-l] serious questions about UsabilityInitiative going live

2010-04-03 Thread Dmitriy Sintsov
* Ilmari Karonen nos...@vyznev.net [Sat, 03 Apr 2010 21:30:47 +0300]: The one thing that's really different and incompatible isn't really a part of the skin but the new edit toolbar. I had to rewrite my sigdash script completely from scratch because of that. Also, I should note that none of

Re: [Wikitech-l] serious questions about UsabilityInitiative going live

2010-04-01 Thread Dmitriy Sintsov
Hi! May I ask a feature request: keyboard shortcut Ctrl+Enter should be used to submit edited article. Such way small changes would be faster to input, not having to click Save page button. Many forums and web engines support such accelerated submission via Ctrl+Enter. Dmitriy

Re: [Wikitech-l] serious questions about UsabilityInitiative going live

2010-04-01 Thread Schneelocke
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 09:35, Dmitriy Sintsov ques...@rambler.ru wrote: Hi! May I ask a feature request: keyboard shortcut Ctrl+Enter should be used to submit edited article. Such way small changes would be faster to input, not having to click Save page button. Many forums and web engines

Re: [Wikitech-l] serious questions about UsabilityInitiative going live

2010-04-01 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 22:11, Bence Damokos bdamo...@gmail.com wrote: Many people have reported problems because the section edit links tended to end up next to each other on one line if the pictures in the article overlapped with section boundaries - most people found this confusing and some

Re: [Wikitech-l] serious questions about UsabilityInitiative going live

2010-04-01 Thread Roan Kattouw
2010/4/1 Bence Damokos bdamo...@gmail.com: Many people have reported problems because the section edit links tended to end up next to each other on one line if the pictures in the article overlapped with section boundaries - most people found this confusing and some reported engaging in a

Re: [Wikitech-l] serious questions about UsabilityInitiative going live

2010-03-30 Thread Platonides
Roan Kattouw wrote: 2010/3/26 Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il: Thanks. Note, however, that if you add JS snippets, it may make it usable to me, but probably not quite usable to many people who don't want to learn to edit their vector.js. I've been editing Wikipedia for 5 years

Re: [Wikitech-l] serious questions about UsabilityInitiative going live

2010-03-30 Thread Bence Damokos
Thanks Naoko, Roan, Nimish, Howie we'll look into the comments, maybe we can solve some of the common problems on our end (e.g., some incompatible gadgets). Best, Bence ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikitech-l] serious questions about UsabilityInitiative going live

2010-03-30 Thread Mike.lifeguard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Is there any documentation for converting monobook-ish js to vector-ish js? - -Mike -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkuyiMAACgkQst0AR/DaKHtmbQCeLPHMZUYmXNjqpaPcHzCt7eA/ Q+wAn03K+aMHe3hu93GkhMW4dTQv0ryY

Re: [Wikitech-l] serious questions about UsabilityInitiative going live

2010-03-29 Thread Naoko Komura
Naoko Komura wrote: Bence Damokos wrote: Hi Naoko, Thank you, I think the interest is there. I have been looking at some of the raw data from the end of October but a more human readable format would really help to get the picture instead of some individual comments (e.g. missing toolbar

Re: [Wikitech-l] serious questions about UsabilityInitiative going live

2010-03-28 Thread Bence Damokos
There is also a spreadsheet at https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Aikdcg5HdSKbdDVMM2l2SGM2dUtBU25MLUtTMFEwMFEhl=hu I wonder if the user comments and survey results for the Hungarian Wikipedia are available anywhere? Hungarian is not included in the nice tables I found on usability wiki, yet

Re: [Wikitech-l] serious questions about UsabilityInitiative going live

2010-03-28 Thread Naoko Komura
Bence Damokos wrote: There is also a spreadsheet at https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Aikdcg5HdSKbdDVMM2l2SGM2dUtBU25MLUtTMFEwMFEhl=hu I wonder if the user comments and survey results for the Hungarian Wikipedia are available anywhere? Hungarian is not included in the nice tables I

Re: [Wikitech-l] serious questions about UsabilityInitiative going live

2010-03-28 Thread Bence Damokos
Hi Naoko, Thank you, I think the interest is there. I have been looking at some of the raw data from the end of October but a more human readable format would really help to get the picture instead of some individual comments (e.g. missing toolbar buttons, not working gadgets/WikiEd, can't find

Re: [Wikitech-l] serious questions about UsabilityInitiative going live

2010-03-28 Thread Naoko Komura
Bence Damokos wrote: Hi Naoko, Thank you, I think the interest is there. I have been looking at some of the raw data from the end of October but a more human readable format would really help to get the picture instead of some individual comments (e.g. missing toolbar buttons, not working

Re: [Wikitech-l] serious questions about UsabilityInitiative going live

2010-03-27 Thread Billinghurst
At Wikisource, we would be wanting to install tools in batches, and often dependent on the namespace, so we would be looking to gadgetise, or some other readily available means. Also as some works/projects upon which people undertake have repetitive editing, so we would be looking to enable

Re: [Wikitech-l] serious questions about UsabilityInitiative going live

2010-03-27 Thread Glanthor
Hi! Just for curiosity, can we know the beta retention rate for huwiki? Thanks, Akos ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] serious questions about UsabilityInitiative going live

2010-03-27 Thread Alex
The dialogs in the new toolbar seem to be disabled in IE8, is this something that will be changed before deployment? -- Alex (wikipedia:en:User:Mr.Z-man) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikitech-l] serious questions about UsabilityInitiative going live

2010-03-27 Thread Roan Kattouw
2010/3/27 Alex mrzmanw...@gmail.com: The dialogs in the new toolbar seem to be disabled in IE8, is this something that will be changed before deployment? Yes. We discovered they had new IE bugs in a fairly late stage, so rather than delaying the deployment we decided to deploy them without IE

Re: [Wikitech-l] serious questions about UsabilityInitiative going live

2010-03-27 Thread Roan Kattouw
2010/3/28 Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il: I join Akos - are complete statistics about Beta usage in all projects published anywhere? Until now i only saw occasional numbers in occasional blog posts. The raw data is at http://toolserver.org/~catrope/optin-20100217/ and similar

Re: [Wikitech-l] serious questions about UsabilityInitiative going live

2010-03-27 Thread Ariel T. Glenn
I would look at the statistics published here: http://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/Beta_Feedback_Survey Cheers, Ariel Στις 28-03-2010, ημέρα Κυρ, και ώρα 02:08 +0300, ο/η Amir E. Aharoni έγραψε: I join Akos - are complete statistics about Beta usage in all projects published anywhere? Until

[Wikitech-l] serious questions about UsabilityInitiative going live

2010-03-26 Thread Glanthor
Hi! I've read on the techblog that the new UI go live in April. I have some questions: 1) What version? Acai, babaco, citron? 2) How/where could a wiki customize the special character insert menu, and the inserted strings? And the embed file (picture) button inserts this: [[Example.jpg]],

Re: [Wikitech-l] serious questions about UsabilityInitiative going live

2010-03-26 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 16:30, Roan Kattouw roan.katt...@gmail.com wrote: and the inserted strings? 2) How/where could a wiki customize the special character insert menu, The entire toolbar can be customized using site JS. There are examples at

Re: [Wikitech-l] serious questions about UsabilityInitiative going live

2010-03-26 Thread Conrad Irwin
On 03/26/2010 01:59 PM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 16:30, Roan Kattouw roan.katt...@gmail.com wrote: and the inserted strings? 2) How/where could a wiki customize the special character insert menu, The entire toolbar can be customized using site JS. There are examples

Re: [Wikitech-l] serious questions about UsabilityInitiative going live

2010-03-26 Thread Max Semenik
On 26.03.2010, 16:30 Roan wrote: Because Opera is broken is subtle ways that make it very difficult to get SR to work right. We could either enable a broken version of SR in Opera and be yelled at because it corrupts wikitext (very bad) or disable the feature in Opera (less bad). In the

Re: [Wikitech-l] serious questions about UsabilityInitiative going live

2010-03-26 Thread Roan Kattouw
2010/3/26 Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il: Whatever they mention, i couldn't understand a word of it, and i do know some HTML and JS. There are several buttons which are essential to me and which disappeared from the new default toolbar, such as nowiki, strikeout and some others.

Re: [Wikitech-l] serious questions about UsabilityInitiative going live

2010-03-26 Thread Roan Kattouw
2010/3/26 Tisza Gergő gti...@gmail.com: Roan Kattouw roan.kattouw at gmail.com writes: That's deliberate, the TOC requires the iframe, which was disabled because of copy-paste issues. We're also not enabling NTOC as a default feature, so this is irrelevant. Does that mean the iframe-based

Re: [Wikitech-l] serious questions about UsabilityInitiative going live

2010-03-26 Thread Tei
The day this turn live, the Internet will become a bit crazy. Wikipedia is a important part of 2010 internet. I am sure lots of people will want to put this skin on his suddenly old-looking wikipedias in internet and lans. You guys are doing a nice work. note: I must report that the window Add

Re: [Wikitech-l] serious questions about UsabilityInitiative going live

2010-03-26 Thread Roan Kattouw
2010/3/26 Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il: Thanks. Note, however, that if you add JS snippets, it may make it usable to me, but probably not quite usable to many people who don't want to learn to edit their vector.js. I've been editing Wikipedia for 5 years and i only created a

Re: [Wikitech-l] serious questions about UsabilityInitiative going live

2010-03-26 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 20:14, Roan Kattouw roan.katt...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/3/26 Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il: Making a GUI for adding buttons, at least through the Gadgets tab in the preferences, is essential. It wouldn't be hard to implement the more popular buttons

Re: [Wikitech-l] serious questions about UsabilityInitiative going live

2010-03-26 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Max Semenik maxsem.w...@gmail.com wrote: Speaking of Opera, it seems seems to have many bugs causing troubles for UI, such as https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21537. Can we produce reduced test cases and report them to Opera? After all, their CTO

Re: [Wikitech-l] serious questions about UsabilityInitiative going live

2010-03-26 Thread Roan Kattouw
2010/3/26 Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il: I am probably missing something. Is it enabled in the Beta now? Because i'm seeing the linebreaks bug now. Works fine for me, but we've had inconsistencies between Europe and the rest of the world before. I did what I usually do to fix