[Wikitech-l] Language Engineering IRC Office Hour on February 12, 2014 (Wednesday) at 1700 UTC

2014-02-06 Thread Runa Bhattacharjee
[x-posted] Hello, The Wikimedia Language Engineering team will be hosting the monthly IRC office hour on February 12, 2014 (Wednesday) at 1700 UTC/ 0900 PDT on #wikimedia-office. This time we would be talking about the recent changes made to the Universal Language Selector (ULS) - the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Password Hash

2014-02-06 Thread Thomas Gries
Am 05.02.2014 23:03, schrieb Brion Vibber: Is the 72-byte truncation a general bcrypt problem or specific to password_hash()? Any concerns or a non-issue? Note that some non-Latin strings can only fit 24 chars in 72 bytes of UTF-8. Long enough for most passwords, but some people like

Re: [Wikitech-l] Password Hash

2014-02-06 Thread Thomas Gries
Where we are at it: This en-wiki article [2] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bcrypt currently lacks the important information of the password limitation. Should be added by someone who's an expert in that field. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list

Re: [Wikitech-l] Let's improve our password policy

2014-02-06 Thread Chris Steipp
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 8:00 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Hi. Tyler Romeo wrote: On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 2:20 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Ultimately, account security is a user's prerogative. [...] Banks and even e-mail providers have reason to implement stricter

[Wikitech-l] English Wikipedia Issues

2014-02-06 Thread Derric Atzrott
Hey all, Not sure if anyone else noticed or not yet, but at least the English Wikipedia appears to be having some intermittent issues. Request: GET http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XXVII, from 10.64.32.105 via cp1052 cp1052 ([10.64.32.104]:3128), Varnish XID 4288339681 Forwarded

Re: [Wikitech-l] English Wikipedia Issues

2014-02-06 Thread Andre Klapper
On Thu, 2014-02-06 at 11:41 -0500, Derric Atzrott wrote: Not sure if anyone else noticed or not yet, but at least the English Wikipedia appears to be having some intermittent issues. This is being worked on currently on IRC in #wikimedia-operations currently, plus was reported to

Re: [Wikitech-l] English Wikipedia Issues

2014-02-06 Thread Chad
On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 8:41 AM, Derric Atzrott datzr...@alizeepathology.com wrote: Hey all, Not sure if anyone else noticed or not yet, but at least the English Wikipedia appears to be having some intermittent issues. Request: GET http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XXVII, from

Re: [Wikitech-l] English Wikipedia Issues

2014-02-06 Thread Jeremy Baron
On Feb 6, 2014 11:48 AM, Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Thu, 2014-02-06 at 11:41 -0500, Derric Atzrott wrote: Not sure if anyone else noticed or not yet, but at least the English Wikipedia appears to be having some intermittent issues. This is being worked on currently on

Re: [Wikitech-l] Let's improve our password policy

2014-02-06 Thread Nathan Larson
On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 9:58 AM, Chris Steipp cste...@wikimedia.org wrote: 1) As I understand it, the reason we went from 0 to 1 character required is spammers were actively trying to find accounts with no password so they could edit with an autoconfirmed account. We rely on number of

Re: [Wikitech-l] TitleValue

2014-02-06 Thread Sumana Harihareswara
I agree that this mailing list is a reasonable place to discuss the interfaces. Notes from the Architecture Summit are now up at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Architecture_Summit_2014/TitleValue# . At yesterday's RFC review we agreed that we'd like to hold another one next week (will figure out

Re: [Wikitech-l] Let's improve our password policy

2014-02-06 Thread Brian Wolff
brion ain't secure TimStarling password isn't secure either, and that's 8 It seems to me that a pretty secure approach would be to have the system give the user his 8-12 character password, rather than letting him pick a password. Then we can be assured that he's not

Re: [Wikitech-l] Let's improve our password policy

2014-02-06 Thread Tyler Romeo
On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: Well if we are going to go down that road, requring public/private key pairs would also be more secure. However i doubt either would be acceptable to users. Actually, I think it might be better if we just have people come

Re: [Wikitech-l] Let's improve our password policy

2014-02-06 Thread Derric Atzrott
Well if we are going to go down that road, requring public/private key pairs would also be more secure. However i doubt either would be acceptable to users. Actually, I think it might be better if we just have people come on down to the San Francisco office and show their government ID. Then

[Wikitech-l] Fwd: FW: effects on caching

2014-02-06 Thread Chad
Better late than never :) Relevant to today's outage. -Chad -- Forwarded message -- From: Schubotz, Moritz schub...@tu-berlin.de Date: Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 2:04 PM Subject: FW: effects on caching To: innocentkil...@gmail.com innocentkil...@gmail.com FYI *From:* Schubotz,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Let's improve our password policy

2014-02-06 Thread Tyler Romeo
On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 4:54 PM, Derric Atzrott datzr...@alizeepathology.com wrote: Actually to be honest, if I could login to Mediawiki with a public/private keypair I would actually really enjoy that. Certainly it shouldn't be the default, but in a very non-joking way, I would support an

Re: [Wikitech-l] Password Hash

2014-02-06 Thread Chris Steipp
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 8:26 PM, C. Scott Ananian canan...@wikimedia.orgwrote: Password hashing algorithms are not the same as general hash algorithms. I would prefer we didn't use whirlpool; it is recommended by NESSIE and ISO as a hash function, but as a password hash. CWE916 recommends

[Wikitech-l] The Zürich Hackathon and you

2014-02-06 Thread Quim Gil
Hi, the registration to the Zürich Hackathon will open very soon. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Zurich_Hackathon_2014 Wikimedia CH is doing a great work putting in place the foundations of the event. There are two areas where they need help from the tech community: * defining the schedule *

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: FW: effects on caching

2014-02-06 Thread MZMcBride
Chad wrote: *From:* Schubotz, Moritz *Sent:* Mittwoch, 29. Januar 2014 14:33 *To:* wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org *Subject:* FW: effects on caching Looking at http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2014-January/ I guess this message never made it through. MZMcBride

Re: [Wikitech-l] Let's improve our password policy

2014-02-06 Thread MZMcBride
Chris Steipp wrote: 1) As I understand it, the reason we went from 0 to 1 character required is spammers were actively trying to find accounts with no password so they could edit with an autoconfirmed account. Err, citation needed. :-) I'd forgotten that I'd filed