Re: [WISPA] EarthLink Says No More Money for Existing Muni Networks

2007-11-18 Thread Anthony Will
Your right but I would be willing to bet almost every wisp on here wouldn't turn down the opportunity to leverage the Earthlink brand and could likely offload some servers such as email and web hosting, offer the package virus scanner / firewall junk software etc. There are many ways a

Re: [WISPA] PacWireless Sector

2007-11-18 Thread Mike Hammett
They do have mounts for the top and bottom, but no middle. My MTI's mount at the top and bottom as well. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org

RE: [WISPA] PacWireless Sector

2007-11-18 Thread Eje Gustafsson
This sector is available with what they call a scissor bracket. You can see the scissor bracket in their spec sheet http://www.pacwireless.com/products/pawsa24.pdf Gives you attachment point at the top and bottom with a hinged bracket on the top for easy downtilt and it comes with degree markings

RE: [WISPA] PowerStation2 Problem

2007-11-18 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Some of these issues become resolved using an 18V power supply from our own experience. It seems that some units have issues on 12V not sure if it's due to long cable runs, badly crimped cable or just unit issue or possible problem with the provided power supply. But we seen units like this and

[WISPA] Vuze / Comcast / Peer to Peer / FCC

2007-11-18 Thread Eje Gustafsson
I looked in the mailing list but there seem at least not to been any discussion about this. If there been my apologies. As some of you might know there is a petition turned over to the FCC that relates to net neutrality. Vuze, Inc is a video content provider whom utilizes bittorrent protocol to

Re: [WISPA] Vuze / Comcast / Peer to Peer / FCC

2007-11-18 Thread Mike Hammett
I would think that any application should be allowed to run, with the expectation of reasonable throughput. IE: real time communications or streams should be permitted unregulated within that user's plan, but that general file sharing be allowed to be restricted, yet still having a

RE: [WISPA] Vuze / Comcast / Peer to Peer / FCC

2007-11-18 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
The dominant service plan outside the US is, indeed, a byte-cap contract. Such a contract, or tiers of contracts, permit the product to be delivered with appropriate cost with those who want more paying more by quantity not speed. The concept is alien to the US and would be subject to derision

Re: [WISPA] Vuze / Comcast / Peer to Peer / FCC

2007-11-18 Thread Mark Nash
In my opinion, a monthly bandwidth cap and throttling during peak hours should do fine for the download on these apps. As for the upload, TOS can prohibit your customer connections from being a server, thereby prohibiting the upload, at least in policy. This comes up all the time, and we

Re: [WISPA] Vuze / Comcast / Peer to Peer / FCC

2007-11-18 Thread Mark Nash
I will go further with this. This comes up so very often. The subject line is different, but the conversation is the same. We're spinning our wheels, folks. As a provider, we can very affordably have the ability to throttle, and filter. Do this for your every-day customers. Also sell

Re: [WISPA] Vuze / Comcast / Peer to Peer / FCC

2007-11-18 Thread Anthony Will
Here is some food for thought, We may want to approach this issue with a free market approach. We may want to emphasize that the free market can and will self regulate this behavior. If Comcast is discouraging their customers from operating this type of software, that creates an opportunity

Re: [WISPA] Vuze / Comcast / Peer to Peer / FCC

2007-11-18 Thread Scottie Arnett
I think this could be the straw that breaks the camels back. It may just be what is needed to push internet service to a usage based model by the big guys, instead of a commodity as it is now. I would almost bet my house, that the telcos would already be doing this if it were not for the

Re: [WISPA] Vuze / Comcast / Peer to Peer / FCC

2007-11-18 Thread Scottie Arnett
More reasons I agree with my first post and what a few others are saying. The big providers can't deal with it either! Just more of the reason for Internet Access to go to a usage based model. It will make ALL of our bottom lines better...we should not be funding the transports for these high

Re: [WISPA] Vuze / Comcast / Peer to Peer / FCC

2007-11-18 Thread Mark Nash
Scottie... When you say 'I wish I could'... That's exactly my point.. YOU CAN. You will probably have an extremely small percentage of customers who will trip the limit for extra charges. You will probably have a small percentage of your customers that will actually demand that you allow

[WISPA] Multiple no subject no sender email messages

2007-11-18 Thread mdelp
It appears that shell.mvn.net is trying to send a message, and it has shown up blank about 20 times so far. Does anyone else see this? Mike WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

RE: [WISPA] Vuze / Comcast / Peer to Peer / FCC

2007-11-18 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Which is then the more important to file on this petition because what Vuze, Inc want is to prohibit any type of bandwidth management on the bittorrent connection. SO if they win then you might not be allowed to do this. / Eje -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: [WISPA] Vuze / Comcast / Peer to Peer / FCC

2007-11-18 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Very true. But when it comes to illegal content this might and not necessary is the case. In the case with Vuze they use bittorrent to deliver legal video content. Same thing with for example WoW they use if memory serves me right bittorrent to deliver the sometimes very big software updates they

RE: [WISPA] Vuze / Comcast / Peer to Peer / FCC

2007-11-18 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Your missing the point. MAYBE if what Vuze is petitioning to FCC becomes law you will no longer be allowed to manage your bandwidth in the fashion I know many WISP's are doing by throttling down or lower the priority peer to peer applications have on their network. Vuze want to prohibit you to do

Re: [WISPA] Vuze / Comcast / Peer to Peer / FCC

2007-11-18 Thread Mark Nash
Eje, respectfully, you should not say that I'm missing the point. Our success in bandwidth management does not lie in one court case or one solution. There were several issues brought up in this message, and the Vuse case is one of them. Vuze is one of many problems that are coming, and it

RE: [WISPA] Vuze / Comcast / Peer to Peer / FCC

2007-11-18 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Alright I see what you are saying now. To comment on this petition is now our chance of making our voice heard. My fear (I'm very certain of it) is that if ISPs wouldn't be allowed to bandwidth manage this content then the cost for the end users WILL go up. My first reaction to this entire

Re: [WISPA] Vuze / Comcast / Peer to Peer / FCC

2007-11-18 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
My strong feeling is that the free market approach is by far the best approach to the Network Neutrality/Network Management. If Comcast wants to degrade the service to their customers, then that is an opportunity for the other providers in the market - they are essentially degrading their own

[WISPA] vlans

2007-11-18 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, I will be the first to admit that I know very little about VLANs. I understand the concept and even how to configure them (somewhat). Currently our entire network is fully routed and switched without any VLANs. However, we are starting to see a problem on larger tower locations where we

Re: [WISPA] Vuze / Comcast / Peer to Peer / FCC

2007-11-18 Thread Sam Tetherow
I look at Vuze and other content providers 180* differently from you. They are not 'stealing my bandwidth' they are providing my customers with a desire to have a faster internet connection. I agree that P2P can kill a network and any network provider needs to be able to do what is needed to

Re: [WISPA] vlans

2007-11-18 Thread Ryan Langseth
That should, now in order to do that you will need to have a separate subnet for each AP and the customers off of it (I believe). Have you done any packet sniffing to see if there is a lot of ARP requests? How many hosts do you have off of that tower? Ryan On Nov 18, 2007, at 10:02 PM,

Re: [WISPA] EarthLink Says No More Money for Existing Muni Networks

2007-11-18 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
WISPA already has a committee dedicated to designing a wholesale program that would make this doable. We just need a big customer to work with. We can already document that WISPs pass well over 2 million homes. Lot of customer potential there. marlon - Original Message - From:

Re: [WISPA] Vuze / Comcast / Peer to Peer / FCC

2007-11-18 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
For us this is all good news. It'll actually force a pay as you go model. One that should never have been abandoned in the first place. Can you just imagine, buying your first 3 radios for the network then expecting the next 30 for free??? Our upstream bandwidth (pay as you go) has

Re: [WISPA] Vuze / Comcast / Peer to Peer / FCC

2007-11-18 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
FYI Scott, It's taken a few years, but the unlimited providers in my market are starting to add bit caps too. And charging for overages. marlon - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007