Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps over 10 miles

2009-11-13 Thread Jayson Baker
Don't know what else to tell you. I always find myself spending a lot of time defending the equipment we use, and how well it works for us. Especially on the Moto list (which can be expected, since we don't use Moto - haha). Anyway... it works for us, and we're happy. I'm sorry you don't believe

Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps over 10 miles

2009-11-13 Thread Josh Luthman
Which means we'd see 60 megs on 40 mhz links - you're able to get 50% more... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." --- Albert Einstein On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 1:03 AM, Jayso

Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps over 10 miles

2009-11-13 Thread Jayson Baker
I said 40MHz. On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:49 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > You must have some secret that neither Butch nor I have - I've not > seen any more then 30 megs on a single 20mhz wireless link. > > On 11/14/09, Jayson Baker wrote: > > Why <30 surprise you? We have a very old Nstreme-Dual l

Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps over 10 miles

2009-11-13 Thread Josh Luthman
You must have some secret that neither Butch nor I have - I've not seen any more then 30 megs on a single 20mhz wireless link. On 11/14/09, Jayson Baker wrote: > Why <30 surprise you? We have a very old Nstreme-Dual link going about 1 > mile and it has been getting 90Mbps w/ 1ms latency for YEAR

Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps over 10 miles

2009-11-13 Thread Jayson Baker
Why <30 surprise you? We have a very old Nstreme-Dual link going about 1 mile and it has been getting 90Mbps w/ 1ms latency for YEARS. 90% of the problem with MikroTik is that people have no idea how to use it. You don't just plug it in and go. We spent about 3 years learning, tweaking, deployin

Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube...increaseddata delivery is here to stay.

2009-11-13 Thread Michael Baird
Ubiquity does not have any licensed 3.65 gear for the US, they have XR3/Nano3's but they are for overseas customers. They have announced they will be coming out with 3.65/900 mhz airmax gear 2nd Quarterish next year. Regards Michael Baird > UBNT has fully licensed and approved 3.65 gear. > > >

Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube...increaseddata delivery is here to stay.

2009-11-13 Thread MDK
UBNT has fully licensed and approved 3.65 gear. -- From: "Ralph" Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 12:34 PM To: "WISPA General List" Cc: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube...increaseddatadeliveryis here t

Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps over 10 miles

2009-11-13 Thread Josh Luthman
With the 180meg 1 mile link - I assume that is also r5(2)n? Are you doing N or nstreme? I'm surprised to see anything <30 megs when it comes to Mikrotik. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hi

Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps over 10 miles

2009-11-13 Thread Gerard Dupont III
I have a link shooting through a tree that does 85 megs tcp hdx and 55megs tcp fdx.. Another link thats ~26 miles doing 60mbit tcp hdx.. Both with 20mhz channels and dual pol arc panels on one side with pac 3ft dual pol dishes on the other. Gerard Josh Luthman wrote: > 120 megs through one pa

Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps over 10 miles

2009-11-13 Thread Jayson Baker
Yes, 40MHz. We have a pair of RB333's that go about 1 mile, and get around 180Mbps. Too bad they only have 100Mbps Ethernet. On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 9:41 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > 120 megs through one pair of r52n?! I'm assuming this is 40mhz? > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct:

Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps over 10 miles

2009-11-13 Thread Josh Luthman
120 megs through one pair of r52n?! I'm assuming this is 40mhz? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." --- Albert Einstein On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:39 PM, Jayson Baker wrot

Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps over 10 miles

2009-11-13 Thread Jayson Baker
I think we get something in the range of 120Mbps through a pair of MikroTik 411's and R52N wireless cards with 3' PacWireless dishes at 12 miles. 120Mbps on the wireless. Those boards only have 100Mbps Ethernet, so that's a limiting factor. Total cost: <$1000 If you're concerned that MT isn't "r

Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps over 10 miles

2009-11-13 Thread Brad Belton
We really need more information in order to make any specific recommendations. Interface type required and quantity. Rain zone the link is going to be deployed in. All indoor design, split IDU/ODU or all outdoor design preference. Required/desired availability. Antenna size limitations. My

Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps over 10 miles

2009-11-13 Thread my_em...@webjogger.net
The Budget is "as cheap as possible"... but I think we would spend in the 16k ballpark for good reliable equipment. Jon Jerry Richardson wrote: > that is a broad question with many possible answers. what is your budget > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 13, 2009, at 4:58 PM, "my_em...@webjogger.

Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube... increaseddata delivery is here to stay.

2009-11-13 Thread Frank Crawford
I want a piece of the 5 cent a Gig bandwidth, if I don't have to carry it in a bucket. Josh Luthman wrote: > Ok where's my stupid stick. Some of these people need to be knocked out. > > I like this post: > > "...and so begins the war... > between companies like netflix and ISPs. Both making cont

Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube... increaseddata delivery is here to stay.

2009-11-13 Thread Josh Luthman
Ok where's my stupid stick. Some of these people need to be knocked out. I like this post: "...and so begins the war... between companies like netflix and ISPs. Both making contrary claims on the cost of bandwidth." Who knows the price of bandwidth (to the last mile) more - ISPs or Netflix? Jo

Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps over 10 miles

2009-11-13 Thread can...@believewireless.net
You can use Trango but don't go with their Giga product line as it has too many software issues. Apex has been solid for us. On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 8:06 PM, George Morris wrote: > It sure is. If ya got the bucks, Exalt or Dragonwave would be my first > choices. > > -Original Message- >

Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube... increaseddata delivery is here to stay.

2009-11-13 Thread Frank Crawford
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/105483 sa...@michianawireless.com wrote: > Hmm great comcast plans on launching there own on demand service now... > > "http://www.cedmagazine.com/News-Comcast-On-Demand-Online-live-next-month-111309.aspx"; > > John Buwa > Michiana Wireless > > >

Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps over 10 miles

2009-11-13 Thread George Morris
It sure is. If ya got the bucks, Exalt or Dragonwave would be my first choices. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 8:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps

Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps over 10 miles

2009-11-13 Thread Jerry Richardson
that is a broad question with many possible answers. what is your budget Sent from my iPhone On Nov 13, 2009, at 4:58 PM, "my_em...@webjogger.net" wrote: > Looking to setup a 100Mbps or more link over 10 miles distance. > > Anyone have comments about what brand they think is good and reliable?

Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps over 10 miles

2009-11-13 Thread Gino Villarini
Unlicensed : PTP 600 motorola Licensed: Trango or DW Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Nov 13, 2009, at 9:00 PM, "my_em...@webjogger.net" wrote: > Looking to setup a 100Mbps or more link over 10 miles distance. > > Anyone have comments about what brand they think is good and reliable? > >

[WISPA] 100Mbps over 10 miles

2009-11-13 Thread my_em...@webjogger.net
Looking to setup a 100Mbps or more link over 10 miles distance. Anyone have comments about what brand they think is good and reliable? It can be either licensed or unlicensed. So far I'm looking at Exalt, Trango, and Dragonwave, but do know which to choose. Thanks, -- Jon Roux Webjogger Inte

Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube... increaseddata delivery is here to stay.

2009-11-13 Thread sales
Hmm great comcast plans on launching there own on demand service now... "http://www.cedmagazine.com/News-Comcast-On-Demand-Online-live-next-month-111309.aspx"; John Buwa Michiana Wireless WISPA Wants You! Join toda

Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube... increaseddata delivery is here to stay.

2009-11-13 Thread Josh Luthman
Not sure what "US channels" are but the xr3 has three channels/sizes within the US spectrum. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." --- Albert Einstein On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at

Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube... increaseddata delivery is here to stay.

2009-11-13 Thread Ralph
What ubnt 3.65 are you saying you tried? Afaik ubnt has 3 gig but not on US channels. What country are you in? On Nov 13, 2009, at 1:15 PM, "MDK" wrote: WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2

2009-11-13 Thread Robert West
Hey! Maybe I can pick some stuff up there when I go to pay to get my inheritance from some relative I have never heard of. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 9:50 PM To: n...

Re: [WISPA] HP to buy 3Com for 3.1bln

2009-11-13 Thread Robert West
The brand name is all I can think of. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chris Hills Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 7:51 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] HP to buy 3Com for 3.1bln On 12/11/09 05:38, Jos

Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube... increased data delivery is here to stay.

2009-11-13 Thread Michael Baird
I've got some extra rocket5M's & rocket dishes if anybody is interested, I'll send them out at cost. The firmware has improved quite a bit over time on these things, they will do 100 mbit fine at 20mhz (airmax off for ptp, 5.0.2 firmware, 10 streams). Regards Michael Baird > I think it's somet

Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube... increaseddata delivery is here to stay.

2009-11-13 Thread Andy Trimmell
We're currently in major talks also for metered service. It's only about 1-2% that will even be affected but that 1-2% is using about 70-120gb per month of download data PER customer. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mac D

Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube... increased data delivery is here to stay.

2009-11-13 Thread jp
I think it's something about 2x2 rocketM that is better. The only bullets I really like are Wolf Match Target in .22LR; they are almost as hard find in stock in any quantity. This is a 13 mile link using dual polarity dishes, a 2' on one end, 3' on the other, going over water. One end has multi

Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube... increased data delivery is here to stay.

2009-11-13 Thread Jayson Baker
Surely you mean 20MHz with "extension channel" thus making it about 40MHz. On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Matt wrote: > > I've found the rocket5m to work pretty good with 2' dishes for ptp > > links. The speed is real and it runs well. It does needs a minor work > > around in that the automat

Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube... increased data delivery is here to stay.

2009-11-13 Thread Mac Dearman
The truth of the matter is this: We are all selling bandwidth for a living. The more I sale - the more I make. I don't want to short anyone and I like the "hogs" on my service and cater to these folks since I make more money per month off these folks. If you aren't "metering" and charging by the

Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube... increased data delivery is here to stay.

2009-11-13 Thread Matt
> I've found the rocket5m to work pretty good with 2' dishes for ptp > links. The speed is real and it runs well. It does needs a minor work > around in that the automatic distance setting does not work, you need to > manually set it, plus 15%. I can get 100mbit no problem with 20mhz > spectrum. I

Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube... increaseddata delivery is here to stay.

2009-11-13 Thread 3-dB Networks
I'd agree... 900MHz is in general a little bit more black magic because it is non line of site usually... but comparing Canopy 900MHz and SR9/XR9 900MHz seems to be two different worlds. For equipment, you can do less than $300 per client for Canopy 900MHz... although AP's will be more than the M-

Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube... increaseddata delivery is here to stay.

2009-11-13 Thread jp
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:15:41AM -0800, MDK wrote: > In some places, we do 900 gear, and that's still a $300+ install cost. Or, > we eat most of it if the customer will pay a year in advance. 900 is > reserved to the "absolutely nothing else will work" locations, as it's such > a finicky a

Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube... increaseddata delivery is here to stay.

2009-11-13 Thread MDK
Well, our rates are 38.50 for 2M/2M and 25.50 for 300kb/300kb I think I have around 10 of the 300kb customers. We had considered dropping rates, but the analysis last year that showed the data use growth convinced us to do otherwise. I'm glad to hear the the M stuff works well.Our first

Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube... increased data delivery is here to stay.

2009-11-13 Thread jp
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 09:17:58AM -0800, MDK wrote: > I guess you could call me "lucky" in that I have access to darn good rates. > > I'm currently at $60/mbit and working to see if my provider will give me a > break for doubling my commit. Continued business with you should be important. If yo

Re: [WISPA] example of needing middle mile

2009-11-13 Thread Chuck Bartosch
Ironically, years ago, they offered to buy us for $5.5 million or something like that. Had a *great* meal at the Gothem Bar and Grill in Manhatten, including a $250 bottle of Petite Syrah as they wooed us... ;-). Guess I'm glad we demurred. Though having a few mil in cash might have been n

Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube... increased data delivery is here to stay.

2009-11-13 Thread MDK
I guess you could call me "lucky" in that I have access to darn good rates. I'm currently at $60/mbit and working to see if my provider will give me a break for doubling my commit. Currently, my commit is 10m and I'm paying overages each month, but they're still reasonably small.This is on

[WISPA] example of needing middle mile

2009-11-13 Thread jp
http://pressherald.mainetoday.com/story.php?id=295654&ac=PHnws Bankrupt Fairpoint backbilling and threatening an ISP/CLEC because Fairpoint doesn't want to continue an interconnection agreement. It's a bit sensationalized (according to my conversation with the ISP in the story), but shows how t

Re: [WISPA] Canopy 5.2 / 5.4 P9 SMs

2009-11-13 Thread Marco Coelho
Daniel, How much do you want for them? Marco On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 5:31 PM, 3-dB Networks wrote: > I have some brand new never deployed P9 5250SM's... feel free to hit me > offlist > > Daniel White > 3-dB Networks > http://www.3dbnetworks.com > > -Original Message- > From: wireless

Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube... increased data delivery is here to stay.

2009-11-13 Thread Mike
I am very interested in your OS. What will be the minimum horsepower router on which it will run? If it would run on say a MT 450G, and the price was right, you'd sell a bunch! I'd buy several for my network. An agnostic approach to bandwidth management is MY preferred way to deal with netwo