[WISPA] FM Radio and Ethernet

2007-05-22 Thread Andrew Niemantsverdriet
I am co located on a tower with an FM transmitter. The FM station runs at 105Mhz. We were running one AP at 10 half duplex to overcome the havoc that the FM station created on our ethernet feed. We now need to run that link at 100 full duplex to be able to handle the traffic coming through it. Wha

Re: [WISPA] FM Radio and Ethernet

2007-05-22 Thread Dennis Burgess
We are located at 400 foot on a FM tower, 100,000 watts at the top of 1400 foot. The total length of CAT 5 is 440 foot or so, and plug directly into a RB532 at the top of the tower (power at the top as well) We ran a felexable conduit up the tower, inside, 16awg solid copper, one black, one whit

Re: [WISPA] FM Radio and Ethernet

2007-05-22 Thread Andrew Niemantsverdriet
I did run on the other leg opsite of the transmistion line. We are above the FM radio antenna so our CAT5 run passes the back side of at 25,000 watt transmitter. Why the 110v in that conduit? On 5/22/07, Dennis Burgess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We are located at 400 foot on a FM tower, 100,000

Re: [WISPA] FM Radio and Ethernet

2007-05-22 Thread Scott Reed
Again, Check your local code before you copy this. No ground is not allowed here, unless somehow you can prove it is a temporary extension cord. Neither is low voltage in same conduit at 120VAC. That said, small changes to Dennis' configuration will make good installation. Run the cat5 in

Re: [WISPA] FM Radio and Ethernet

2007-05-22 Thread Andrew Niemantsverdriet
So how do you secure the conduit to the tower legs? Zip ties? On 5/22/07, Scott Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Again, Check your local code before you copy this. No ground is not allowed here, unless somehow you can prove it is a temporary extension cord. Neither is low voltage in same conduit

Re: [WISPA] FM Radio and Ethernet

2007-05-22 Thread Jason
Would going to fiber help? I use these to separate my ground equipment from tower equipment to avoid lightning damage: http://www.sfcable.com/cable/p/LKS-MC110SC.html One of the uses listed in their instructions is to avoid electrical noise through industrial environments. So far they work j

Re: [WISPA] FM Radio and Ethernet

2007-05-22 Thread Dennis Burgess
YOU DO NOT WANT TO RUN A GROUND WIRE! The reason for that, is that then it gives lightning etc the ability to go though your equipment vs the tower ground! B On 5/22/07, Scott Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Again, Check your local code before you copy this. No ground is not allowed here,

Re: [WISPA] FM Radio and Ethernet

2007-05-22 Thread Scott Reed
If properly grounded, the opposite is true. The ground wire should direct the lightning to ground (hence the name) and away from your equipment. Not to mention that in the case of an equipment failure that causes the power supply to put 120VAC on the case, etc., the ground wire directs the c

RE: [WISPA] FM Radio and Ethernet

2007-05-22 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
s well grounded appear to do well but the local ordinances need to be heeded. . . . j o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 5:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WIS

Re: [WISPA] FM Radio and Ethernet

2007-05-22 Thread Scott Reed
l List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FM Radio and Ethernet If properly grounded, the opposite is true. The ground wire should direct the lightning to ground (hence the name) and away from your equipment. Not to mention that in the case of an equipment failure that causes the power supply to put 120VAC

RE: [WISPA] FM Radio and Ethernet

2007-05-22 Thread Robert Norris
: 281-352-8214 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FM Radio and Ethernet Nothing stops direct hits. A spark that traveled through miles of air isn&#

RE: [WISPA] FM Radio and Ethernet

2007-05-22 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
L PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Scott Reed > Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 5:35 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] FM Radio and Ethernet > > If properly grounded, the opposite is true. The ground wire should > direct the light

Re: [WISPA] FM Radio and Ethernet

2007-05-22 Thread Michael Erskine
I am 54. My grandma (94) tells a story about lightening and my mother (73) verifies it. In the olden days (when men were men and sheep ran scared), grandpa ran a phone line thru the brush for a few miles to get to the homestead on the ranch. It was only a few feet off the ground, say ten may

Re: [WISPA] FM Radio and Ethernet

2007-05-23 Thread Mike Hammett
From: "Scott Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FM Radio and Ethernet Nothing stops direct hits. A spark that traveled through miles of air isn't really going to care what else is betwe

Re: [WISPA] FM Radio and Ethernet

2007-05-23 Thread Michael Erskine (804) 436-9428
ke Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Scott Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FM Radio and Ethernet Nothing stops direct hits. A spar

Re: [WISPA] FM Radio and Ethernet

2007-05-23 Thread Mike Hammett
, May 23, 2007 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FM Radio and Ethernet Mike Hammett wrote: Why is it, then, that there aren't more radio\TV station outages due to lightning? They have to have done something to reduce their chances of a direct hit on those 1200' towers. A good groundin

Re: [WISPA] FM Radio and Ethernet

2007-05-23 Thread Michael Erskine (804) 436-9428
skine (804) 436-9428" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FM Radio and Ethernet Mike Hammett wrote: Why is it, then, that there aren't more radio\TV station outages due to lightning? They have

Re: [WISPA] FM Radio and Ethernet

2007-05-23 Thread JohnnyO
arges. JohnnyO - Original Message - From: "Michael Erskine (804) 436-9428" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FM Radio and Ethernet Mike Hammett wrote: Then why don't WISPs deploy a pro

Re: [WISPA] FM Radio and Ethernet

2007-05-23 Thread Jason
ttp://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Scott Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FM Radio and Ethernet Nothing stops direct hits. A spark that traveled through miles of air isn't r

Re: [WISPA] FM Radio and Ethernet

2007-05-23 Thread Justin Wilson
We have one tower, that as a test, we did not do any grounds other than the power ground. Everything else is grounded by "default". What I mean is the mast attached to the tower is grounded simply because it is attached to the tower, etc. This site has been up for 2 years with no issues. The lu

Re: [WISPA] FM Radio and Ethernet

2007-05-23 Thread Jenco Wireless
After many hits, I ungrounded, added inductance and lots and lots of surge suppression (not little ethernet supressors) - my experience (or luck) has been that it is better to un-ground. My location has 100 percent clay soil (clay was used as an insulator in the old days), so that may be a factor

Re: [WISPA] FM Radio and Ethernet

2007-05-23 Thread Scott Lambert
There's been a lot of talk in here about how to ground the towers. I hope everybody's actually read up on the topic, but just in case someone isn't, get a book. Don't guess. Proper grounding is hard. It's expensive. One such book is put out by PolyPhaser. It's obviously biased toward using th

Re: [WISPA] FM Radio and Ethernet

2007-05-26 Thread Jenco Wireless
I forgot to mention, most of the lightning damage (more than 90 percent) I have had has been after long periods with no rain, so the clay had a lot of time to dry out and turn in to an insulator. One Summer my main tower and about 10 percent of my clients were destroyed from one lightning storm.