Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

2011-08-02 Thread Adam Greene
Of Cameron Crum Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 12:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ? Licensed or unlic? If unlic, still no. I can put together an unlicensed link for for less than $500 that will probably perform as well as something costing $6000

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

2011-08-02 Thread Steve Barnes
] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 12:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ? Licensed or unlic? If unlic, still no. I can put together an unlicensed link for for less than $500 that will probably perform as well as something

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

2011-08-02 Thread Fred Goldstein
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ? $8000 is expensive

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

2011-08-02 Thread Gino Villarini
To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ? Guys, I appreciate all the feedback. We're looking into Exalt 24GHz for a 3-mile link. Not sure if it will reach that far ... Anyone have direct experience with Exalt? We're using Dragonwave and love it, but wanted to stay

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

2011-08-02 Thread Jerry Richardson
02, 2011 8:36 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ? Guys, I appreciate all the feedback. We're looking into Exalt 24GHz for a 3-mile link. Not sure if it will reach that far ... Anyone have direct experience with Exalt? We're using Dragonwave and love

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

2011-08-02 Thread Gino Villarini
...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ? 24GHz @ 3 miles is not going to be stable unless is never rains What about 5.4GHz? Moto PTP500 Lite will do 52Mbps now, and 105Mbps

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

2011-08-02 Thread Adam Greene
] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 12:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ? Licensed or unlic? If unlic, still no. I can put together an unlicensed link for for less than $500 that will probably perform as well as something

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

2011-08-02 Thread Gino Villarini
@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ? Guys, I appreciate all the feedback. We're looking into Exalt 24GHz for a 3-mile link. Not sure if it will reach that far ... Anyone have direct experience with Exalt? We're using Dragonwave and love

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

2011-08-02 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 8/2/2011 01:34 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=_000_D26588DB857E2948835D6C7A27C9879E15DBBD68AEROMAIL1aerone_ Both Radwin and Motorola PTP500 would work well under high interference, but if you want to go to a whole diff band, I

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

2011-08-02 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
I have had a 3 mile 24ghz Ligowave link up for two years with very little rain fade - maybe 15 minutes worth in the past two years. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 8/2/2011 1:13 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote: At 8/2/2011 01:34 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: Content-Language: en-US Content-Type:

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

2011-08-02 Thread Randy Cosby
I think you just jinxed that link! On 8/2/2011 2:32 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: I have had a 3 mile 24ghz Ligowave link up for two years with very little rain fade - maybe 15 minutes worth in the past two years. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 8/2/2011 1:13 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote: At

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

2011-08-02 Thread Jeremy Parr
On 2 August 2011 16:32, Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com wrote: I have had a 3 mile 24ghz Ligowave link up for two years with very little rain fade - maybe 15 minutes worth in the past two years. Rain in the tropics and rain in the midwest are two *very* different things.

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

2011-07-29 Thread Me
24ghz is unlicensed. Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless -Original message- From: Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thu, Jul 28, 2011 14:02:52 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

2011-07-29 Thread Gino Villarini
, July 29, 2011 2:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ? 24ghz is unlicensed. Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless -Original message- From: Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thu, Jul 28, 2011 14:02:52 GMT

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

2011-07-29 Thread Cameron Crum
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Me *Sent:* Friday, July 29, 2011 2:12 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ? ** ** 24ghz is unlicensed. *Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless* -Original message- *From

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

2011-07-29 Thread Gino Villarini
...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 2:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ? I just assumed if you pay that much for a link it would be in the licensed band. Still though, I can't imagine too

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

2011-07-29 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 7/29/2011 02:38 PM, Cameron Crum wrote: I just assumed if you pay that much for a link it would be in the licensed band. Still though, I can't imagine too many people using the unlicensed 24 ghz band, It should be pretty clear, but if you can't bgo bigger than a 2ft dish, I guess you are

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

2011-07-29 Thread Cameron Crum
I'm aware of all that, but 24GHz still attenuates fairly quickly and rain fade will be a problem if you try to go too far. It would be good for short hops, though. It still seems a bit pricey. On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.comwrote: At 7/29/2011 02:38 PM,

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

2011-07-29 Thread Gino Villarini
To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ? I'm aware of all that, but 24GHz still attenuates fairly quickly and rain fade will be a problem if you try to go too far. It would be good for short hops, though. It still seems a bit pricey. On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:44

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

2011-07-29 Thread Cameron Crum
] *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum *Sent:* Friday, July 29, 2011 2:58 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ? ** ** I'm aware of all that, but 24GHz still attenuates fairly quickly and rain fade will be a problem if you try to go too far

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

2011-07-29 Thread Gino Villarini
: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ? $8000 is expensive to me for an unlicensed frequency. For just a bit more you can get licensed. If I'm getting out of the $100s range then I'll bite the bullet and go all the way. The difference between $8000 and $12000 is not that much if I have

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

2011-07-29 Thread Cameron Crum
] *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum *Sent:* Friday, July 29, 2011 3:11 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ? ** ** $8000 is expensive to me for an unlicensed frequency. For just a bit more you can get licensed. If I'm getting out of the $100s

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

2011-07-29 Thread Gino Villarini
...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ? Licensed or unlic

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

2011-07-29 Thread Chuck Hogg
Crum *Sent:* Friday, July 29, 2011 3:11 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ? ** ** $8000 is expensive to me for an unlicensed frequency. For just a bit more you can get licensed. If I'm getting out of the $100s range then I'll bite

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

2011-07-29 Thread Jerry Richardson
What would you use to put together a 100Mbps FDX link for 500 bucks? - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 12:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

2011-07-29 Thread Josh Luthman
, July 29, 2011 12:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ? Licensed or unlic? If unlic, still no. I can put together an unlicensed link for for less than $500 that will probably perform as well as something costing $6000, and for another $500 I could have

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

2011-07-29 Thread Jerry Richardson
OK, now just need to find 40MHz of spectrum. Oh wait, there isn't any - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

2011-07-29 Thread Josh Luthman
...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ? ARC panel and nv2 in 40mhz? On Jul 29, 2011 6:48 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: What would you

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

2011-07-28 Thread Josh Luthman
] *On Behalf Of *Bob Moldashel *Sent:* Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:25 PM *To:* wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul? Two more things... Radio has built in spectrum analyzer that works :-) And I am told link is plane polarity so

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

2011-07-28 Thread Cameron Crum
...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Bob Moldashel *Sent:* Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:25 PM *To:* wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul? Two more things

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

2011-07-28 Thread Gino Villarini
...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:25 PM To: mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul? Two more things... Radio has built in spectrum analyzer that works

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

2011-07-28 Thread Me
2' dishes Matt Larsen Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless -Original message- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thu, Jul 28, 2011 13:10:27 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

2011-07-27 Thread Adam Greene
Has anyone tried the SnapLink Blast? http://www.wisptech.com/index.php/Microwave_Backhaul_Comparison_Chart shows 24GHz, 160M half-duplex, $6k ... if it really works, that's pretty good, in my book On 7/26/2011 10:47 AM, Adam Greene wrote: This question has probably been asked on this list

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

2011-07-27 Thread Bob Moldashel
The Snaplink only does about 22 Mbps. Exalt just came out with a 24 Ghz. Full Duplex TDD radio that will do 100 Mbps and is capable of 3 non-overlapping channels. The price is the same or cheaper. I believe its 2 year warranty also. -B- On 7/27/2011 7:23 PM, Adam Greene wrote: Has

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

2011-07-27 Thread Gino Villarini
9:50 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul? The Snaplink only does about 22 Mbps. Exalt just came out with a 24 Ghz. Full Duplex TDD radio that will do 100 Mbps and is capable of 3 non-overlapping channels. The price is the same or cheaper. I believe

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

2011-07-27 Thread Gino Villarini
: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul? No. Its unlicensed 24 Ghz. Spec sheet attached -B- On 7/27/2011 9:44 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: IIRC the Exalt unit is for Licensed Fiber Tower Freqs? No? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

2011-07-27 Thread Bob Moldashel
. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul? No. Its unlicensed 24 Ghz. Spec

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

2011-07-27 Thread Josh Luthman
...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul? No. Its unlicensed 24 Ghz. Spec sheet attached -B- On 7/27/2011 9:44 PM, Gino Villarini wrote

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

2011-07-27 Thread Bob Moldashel
-Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

2011-07-27 Thread Bob Moldashel
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul? No. Its unlicensed 24 Ghz. Spec sheet attached -B

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

2011-07-27 Thread Gino Villarini
To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul? Street price is about $7500 with 1' antennas and 200 Mbps aggregate with power supplies. About a 4 week lead time. But 3 non-overlapping channels is the best On 7/27/2011 9:56 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: Nice! Price

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

2011-07-27 Thread Josh Luthman
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul? No. Its unlicensed 24 Ghz. Spec sheet attached -B- On 7/27/2011 9:44 PM

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

2011-07-27 Thread Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:25 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul? Two more things... Radio has built in spectrum analyzer that works :-) And I am told link is plane polarity so only uses one polarity plane for data...Not two. -B- On 7

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

2011-07-27 Thread Gino Villarini
: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul? So no way for a 6 mile link even with 6 foot dishes? No idea what to put in a path calc without knowing gains of dishes. On Jul 27, 2011 10:09 PM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.netmailto:lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: Anything from 1' on up. It has same

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

2011-07-27 Thread Bob Moldashel
Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul? No. Its unlicensed 24 Ghz. Spec sheet attached -B- On 7/27/2011 9:44 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: IIRC the Exalt unit is for Licensed Fiber Tower Freqs? No? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

2011-07-27 Thread Bob Moldashel
Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul? Street price

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

2011-07-27 Thread Bob Moldashel
...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul? No. Its unlicensed 24 Ghz. Spec

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

2011-07-27 Thread Josh Luthman
] *On Behalf Of *Bob Moldashel *Sent:* Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:25 PM *To:* wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul? ** ** Two more things... Radio has built in spectrum analyzer that works :-) And I am told link is plane polarity so only uses

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

2011-07-27 Thread Gino Villarini
: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul? Maybe it is. I am only going by word of mouth on that. That's why I said I am told.. Don't want to put my foot in my mouth... :-) On 7/27/2011 10:11 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: That's weird, FCC regulations specify cross Pol... I think

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

2011-07-27 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Bob Moldashel *Sent:* Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:25 PM *To:* wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul? Two more

[WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

2011-07-26 Thread Adam Greene
This question has probably been asked on this list before ... if needed, just tell me to check the archives ... Becoming increasingly frustrated with chasing apparent interference issues on our Alvarion Mikrotik 2.4GHz and 5.4 - 5.8GHz point to point links, I am wondering if anyone has a