John,
The FCC should not have to bribe Wireless Providers for this
information. If Wireless Providers are serious about playing in this
field then they should fill out the proper paperwork they are asked to
file. If not then they will have to pay the price of not being looked as
serious
It just seems that if the information is important, the FCC should be
willing to put their money where their mouth is.
I don't know who would actually put up the money.
John
Peter R. wrote:
I think many (half?) don't even know that they have to file.
Many don't understand CALEA or know that
, April 23, 2007 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition
you don't give them stuff for free
Yes we do.
Care to quantify this statement?
Sure, the government has never paid me to give them taxes.
George Rogato
Welcome
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:59 PM
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Competition
Heh... Is this an argument that taxes are a violation of the 5th
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Behalf Of Mark Koskenmaki
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:59 PM
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Competition
Heh... Is this an argument that taxes are a violation
Mark Koskenmaki wrote:
And why aren't we defending our industry from gatekeeper regulation which
stifles entry into it?
Man, you people don't logically connect the dots, do you? Why wasn't WISPA
asking every member, list member, and everyone else they could to flood the
FCC with objections,
Mark Koskenmaki wrote:
While I'm sure the statement this is not universally possible is
technically correct (the best kind of correct!) I believe you're
seriously over-estimating the difficulty. I'd wager most of us already
have, somewhere in our network, a decent managed switch that can be
The way I understand it, is that Mark has to do the capture. His
provider can not do it for him. Also per a previous conversation the
tap needs to be done at the CPE. To me that should be real simple with
a few firewall rules in the CPE or at worst the AP. If PPPoE were in
use then it would be
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Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 11:39 AM
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Mark,
This was one of the best emails you have ever
I think many (half?) don't even know that they have to file.
Many don't understand CALEA or know that they need to comply.
So $500... it would probably get you about 400 more, but who will pony
up the $200k?
Peter
John Thomas wrote:
Pete, you hit on an interesting idea. What if the FCC were
Mark Koskenmaki wrote:
Never say never, they say.What will you do when the FCC or FBI
comes and
says we want you to help us enforce... blah blah?You're going
to have
a hard time saying no when you have already made a policy of always
saying
yes. You will have to blow that
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From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 7:00 AM
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Mark Koskenmaki wrote:
Never say never, they say.What will you do
Peter R. wrote:
So $500... it would probably get you about 400 more, but who will pony
up the $200k?
For five hundred bucks, I could easily create a few new business
entities that serve one or two customers each, do the paperwork, and
turn a tidy profit from the affair. I heartily encourage
Mark Koskenmaki wrote:
I know you've repeatedly complained that I don't put my money where my mouth
is, because I can't buy plane tickets and hotel nights and can't run for
office in WISPA. But I WILL put EVERYTHING on the line. I'll fight the
FCC by myself if I have to. And, it sounds like
Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition
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Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 7:00 AM
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Mark Koskenmaki wrote
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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 4:08 PM
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OK, I'm in a pissy mood today so don't anyone take
ot; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 4:08 PM
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OK, I'm in a pissy mood today so don't anyone take this too personally.
So am I.
Mark Koskenmaki wrote:
Law? Hell, no. It's the FCC's wishes. And we're discussing how stupid
the whole damn thing is as well. And here you are defending it. You wonder
why I'm in a pissy mood???
It's indirectly a law - the FCC is granted broad powers under current
law to request things
David E. Smith wrote:
Mark Koskenmaki wrote:
You pay some property taxes, you get to use all
those roads they built.
. It's all trade-offs. Basic
freshman-year-of-college economics.
I just wanted to point out an error you just made mark, you said :
The government doesn't give you
On Mon, 2007-04-23 at 21:19 -0700, George Rogato wrote:
David E. Smith wrote:
Mark Koskenmaki wrote:
You pay some property taxes, you get to use all
those roads they built.
. It's all trade-offs. Basic
freshman-year-of-college economics.
I just wanted to point out an error you
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Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:03 PM
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Mark Koskenmaki wrote:
Law? Hell, no. It's the FCC's wishes
you don't give them stuff for free
Yes we do.
Care to quantify this statement?
Sure, the government has never paid me to give them taxes.
George Rogato
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, April 23, 2007 9:31 PM
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On Mon, 2007-04-23 at 21:19 -0700, George Rogato wrote:
David E. Smith wrote:
Mark Koskenmaki wrote:
You pay some property taxes, you get to use all
those roads they built.
. It's
.
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From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:47 PM
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you don't give them stuff for free
Yes we do.
Care
Mark,
A well written piece.
However, I think you miss my point:
Either we defend ourselves, and we defend the cowboys as Peter likes to
call people like me by rising in opposition to ANY regulatory garbage that
puts us under their thumb... Or we've just killed our whole industry.
You talk
it.
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From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 7:40 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition
Mark,
A well written piece.
However, I think you miss my point:
Either we
Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband
Competition
And that was 2004.
I'm not arguing just to argue. This is a soapbox, so delete and
move on if you want.
When you go to the Feds and say that there are 6000 and only 400
have reported, that doesn't bode well for anyone.
It makes the Feds
Nope. I still won't fill it out.
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Behalf Of John Thomas
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 2:58 PM
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Competition
Pete, you hit
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 7:40 AM
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Mark,
A well written piece.
However, I think you miss my point:
Either we defend ourselves, and we defend the cowboys as Peter likes to
call people like me by rising in opposition
.We need it.
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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 7:40 AM
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Mark,
A well written piece.
However, I think you miss my
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Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 12:50 PM
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Mark,
As the driver of the bus I feel compelled to reply. You
I used to be, Mac.
The why not now is not to be aired in public.
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: Sunday, April 22, 2007 5:59 AM
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12000, 6000, 2000, or whatever number of WISPs is mainly hard to quantify
because there are LOTS of 2 and 3 customer private wireless networks,
where a business will buy a T1, DSL or whatever
Of coures it's flawed. That's like saying that if anyone within zipcode
x has a newly paved street in front of their home, then everyone in zip
code x has the same.
I don't offer service via zip code. I offer service via where my signal
reaches.
And, I've even made a few little
Wireless, Inc.
260-827-2482
Founding Member of WISPA
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Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 4:14 AM
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Of coures it's flawed. That's like saying that if anyone within zipcode
x has a newly paved street in front
, and abandon meddling where I think
they shouldn't have ever interfered.
Rich
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From: Rick Harnish
To: 'WISPA General List'
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 10:38 AM
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Mark,
This was one
Amen Brother!!!
-RickG
On 4/21/07, Mark Koskenmaki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Of coures it's flawed. That's like saying that if anyone within zipcode
x has a newly paved street in front of their home, then everyone in zip
code x has the same.
I don't offer service via zip code. I
- Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband
Competition
And that was 2004.
I'm not arguing just to argue. This is a soapbox, so delete and move
wishful thinking
FCC realizes areas are underserved.
They also realize independent broadband providers -- read wireless
ISPs -- are an excellent, if not better, solution as a competitive
solution in many areas, rural and otherwise.
FCC makes sub-700Mhz available for unlicensed
wishful thinking
FCC realizes areas are underserved.
They also realize independent broadband providers -- read wireless
ISPs -- are an excellent, if not better, solution as a competitive
solution in many areas, rural and otherwise.
FCC makes sub-700Mhz available for unlicensed broadband,
Where did you get THAT number?
3000. 6000.
I'd bet that there are less than 2000 total indie ISP's left.
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
Arrggh!
The REAL problem is that the don't accurately count providers. They
only catch the larger ones.
We're NOT behind. Not like
Arrggh!
The REAL problem is that the don't accurately count providers. They only
catch the larger ones.
We're NOT behind. Not like some like to claim we are.
Hell, there are at LEAST 3000 wisps out there yet the FCC only has 400 of
them filing the form 477. I'll bet the real
For years, plenty of folks (including the Government Accountability Office)
have been pointing out that the way the FCC
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070205/165735.shtml measures broadband
competition is very flawed. It simply assumes that if a single household in
a zip code is offered
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Behalf Of Peter R.
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 11:38 AM
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Where did you get THAT number?
3000
-
From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 8:46 AM
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Marlon,
And why does the FCC only know about 400 WISP's? How can the FCC know
these numbers did
- From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 8:46 AM
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Marlon,
And why does the FCC only know about 400 WISP's? How can the FCC know
these numbers did
Doesn't explain where you got the 3000 or 6000 number.
If you pulled it out of your.. air... then you are doing a disservice.
If the number is really 900, and 300 fill out the form - that's 1/3 and
great. Even though it is disappointed that there are only 900 indie
ISP's left.
If the number
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Behalf Of Peter R.
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 11:38 AM
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Competition
Where did
/marlon/cam
- Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 8:46 AM
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Marlon,
And why does the FCC only know about 400 WISP's
-
From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition
Doesn't explain where you got the 3000 or 6000 number.
If you pulled it out of your.. air... then you
: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition
Where did you get THAT number?
3000. 6000.
I'd bet that there are less than 2000 total indie ISP's left.
Marlon
: Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition
Doesn't explain where you got the 3000 or 6000 number.
If you pulled it out of your.. air... then you are doing a disservice.
If the number is really 900, and 300 fill out the form - that's 1/3 and
great. Even though
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List
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Competition
In 2004 *I* called the main distributors in the wisp space. 5 of them
as I
recall.
It took some time and some arm twisting, but I got them to tell me how
many
wisps that they had
And that was 2004.
I'm not arguing just to argue. This is a soapbox, so delete and move on
if you want.
When you go to the Feds and say that there are 6000 and only 400 have
reported, that doesn't bode well for anyone.
It makes the Feds nervous. It shines an ugly light on this so-called
I can tell you that I have talked to wisps that want nothing to do with
FCC, 477, CALEA or anyone that wants to know about their business.
So there is quite a large percentage that will not show up on the radar.
It would be hard to imagine that the supply chain to this industry would
survive
!
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And that was 2004.
I'm not arguing just to argue. This is a soapbox, so delete and move
on if you want.
When you go to the Feds and say
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