Agreed..
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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> Well, either way, if it's an a
Well, either way, if it's an ap that talks to more than one client, it's max
eirp is 4 watts. 36dB
laters,
marlon
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From: "Chadd Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 10:00 PM
Sorry,
The signal was in the -70's not right at -70. It was mid to upper -70's from
what I figured up they were putting out around 43dBm EIRP. I could also see
the SSID of the AP so I know what town it was located in and it was/is a
sectorized POP that would be around 30dBm radio input to a 14-15d
triangulating in on the source of the
noise. My *guess* is that there is a "tower" much closer to you than you
think.
laters,
marlon
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Chadd,
I did some checking, and I found I have eight towers within 10 miles of your
north tower at your house, and f
Broadband
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Am I missing something, or is 36 dBm EIRP our limit?
On 2/7/07, Mike Delp <[EMAIL P
Yes 36 dBm.
Thanks,
Chadd
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> Am I missing somethin
+ 36 dBm EIRP
Dylan Oliver wrote:
Am I missing something, or is 36 dBm EIRP our limit?
On 2/7/07, Mike Delp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Chadd,
I did some checking, and I found I have eight towers within 10 miles of
your
north tower at your house, and five towers within 10 miles of your
Car
Am I missing something, or is 36 dBm EIRP our limit?
On 2/7/07, Mike Delp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Chadd,
I did some checking, and I found I have eight towers within 10 miles of
your
north tower at your house, and five towers within 10 miles of your Carlyle
pop. You are at the edge of our c
etime. Call me anytime.
Call me at 618-206-4190
Or skype mike.delp
Mike
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In our a
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I don't know how you expect the industry to police itself when the FCC acts
deaf. Next time you encounter a damnit remark, add state government to th
Tuesday, February 06, 2007 5:36 PM
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I don't know how you expect the industry to police itself when the FCC
acts
deaf. Next time you encounter a damnit remark, add state government to
the
list of not playing nice. Our footprint
I don't know how you expect the industry to police itself when the FCC acts
deaf. Next time you encounter a damnit remark, add state government to the
list of not playing nice. Our footprint is the Florida Keys. Last year the
department of transportation decided to erect giant poles down the cen
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>
> I agree that MOST wisps are likely compliant.
> Unfortuneately, it won't sta
know where the speedometer is located.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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y that we alway challenge ourselves and peers to be
compliant the best we can.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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Patrick, what is Alvarion doing as a corporation to police the majority
of BWIA vendors w
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Patrick, what is Alvarion doing as a corporation to police the majority
of BWIA v
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Patrick, what is Alvarion doing as a corporation to police the majority
of BWIA vendors who now pollute our industry with uncertified gear?
The
;want it
to stop"?
Patrick
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Patrick, what is Alvarion doing as a corporation to polic
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Steve,
I appreciate your insight into the possibility that license-exempt
white
space use might actually materialize. I very much hope that it does.
jack
Steve Stroh wrote:
Jack:
Consider...
To the television broadcasters, WISPs usin
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I hope it does go UL, but I have also heard some recent rumblings that
the FCC is concerned with what seems like a widespread deterioration of
WISPs following th
) 982-2181
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Yeah, for sure.
However, the FCC must take some credit for that problem Patrick. How
many
times have you been told that operator a has turned in operator b for an
illegal network and
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All,
Remember, it only takes a few bad apples to make the whole industry look
bad.
Think about that the next time anyone wants to complain about the rules.
Regards,
Daw
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Steve,
I appreciate your insight into the possibility that license-exempt white
space use might actually materialize. I very much hope that it does.
jack
Steve Stroh wrote:
Jack:
Consider...
To the television broadcaste
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I hope it does go UL, but I have also heard some recent rumblings that
the FCC is concerned with what seems like a widespread deterioration of
WISPs following the rul
can you elaborate on "HAD offers ... " please?
Thanks.
Mario
Steve Stroh wrote:
You've HAD offers that have been refused...
Thanks,
Steve
On Jan 24, 2007, at Jan 24 07:10 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
WISPA has been working on this for a couple of years now.
Independently and with Cisc
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Steve,
I appreciate your insight into the possibility that license-exempt white
space use might actually materialize. I very much hope that it does.
jack
Steve S
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Steve,
I appreciate your insight into the possibility that license-exempt
Steve,
I appreciate your insight into the possibility that license-exempt white
space use might actually materialize. I very much hope that it does.
jack
Steve Stroh wrote:
Jack:
Consider...
To the television broadcasters, WISPs using this spectrum in a "we'll
stay out of the way of an
Jack:
Consider...
To the television broadcasters, WISPs using this spectrum in a "we'll
stay out of the way of any television broadcasting activity" manner
is the lesser of several other evils; television broadcasting has
been steadily losing ground now; first 800 MHz was carved out of
Patrick is correct - Flarion was working on 802.20 (full mobility
broadband) which, with the "borging" of Flarion by Qualcomm, has
essentially terminated.
Mobile Broadband standards work now seems to have shifted fully over
to 802.16e / Mobile WiMAX (which will be 100% licensed spectrum.)
You've HAD offers that have been refused...
Thanks,
Steve
On Jan 24, 2007, at Jan 24 07:10 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
WISPA has been working on this for a couple of years now.
Independently and with Cisco, New America, Media Access Project and
I've recently had talks with the 802.22
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Any info through the grapevine about the likelihood of this spectrum
becoming unlicensed?
Then, I sup
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I knew there was an 802.22 effort but I had no idea that it was geared
fo
I knew there was an 802.22 effort but I had no idea that it was geared
for any particular spectrum until now. Glad to hear the efforts are
underway. Isn't Flarion's IP based closely on what will be 802.22? Was
there an earlier effort for 802.22 standards development that was
spectrum agnostic?
It depends on the depth of modulation used and other factors. In a 6 meg
TV channel space I am guessing you could easily see 15 to 20 megabit
aggregate throughput over a good coverage area. (Maybe 3 miles radius?)
NOTE: The above are generalized best guesses on my part as I have never
even see
Likelihood of unlicensed???
My guess is that the established communications carriers and the
broadcasters will fight the concept of license-free use of this space. I
expect it will come down to who lobbies Congress most effectively.
Mario Pommier wrote:
Any info through the grapevine about
ull of info and remain to be a WISPs #1
proponent!! Thanks for all you do.
Mac Dearman
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Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 10:45 AM
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Joh
John:
There IS an IEEE standard in the works for the TV whitespaces -
802.22 - http://www.ieee802.org/22/
Thanks,
Steve
On Jan 24, 2007, at Jan 24 07:55 AM, John Scrivner wrote:
The standard (as far as how gear can operate in the bands) has been
created through the NPRM known as 04-1
What kind of speed can be obtained on such low frequencies?
-RickG
On 1/24/07, John Scrivner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The standard (as far as how gear can operate in the bands) has been
created through the NPRM known as 04-186 which has gone through about 3
years of the FCC meat grinder. There
The standard (as far as how gear can operate in the bands) has been
created through the NPRM known as 04-186 which has gone through about 3
years of the FCC meat grinder. There is no IEEE standard or anything
like that but the rules are as clear as any other unlicensed standard.
Companies like
Any info through the grapevine about the likelihood of this spectrum
becoming unlicensed?
Then, I suppose a standard will have to be drafted and approved before
we see any gear. So is that a couple of years if we're lucky before we
can use sub-700Mhz to penetrate through trees in rural America?
Marlon, I'm rather surprised that you would even mention 2.4GHz(wifi I
assume) as a possible technology to use in these bands. Now that they
have cellular technologies specifically designed for BWA purposes
(Canopy and WIMAX are good examples) and given the possibility of a
fresh start to using
I do not know what you are asking. Marlon and I were debating what type
of system we should try to get the FCC to allow us to use as a test bed
system for experimentation with unused television channel space as a
platform for broadband delivery. I think we are all talking about the
same thing h
if you want to test tv-band spectrum penetration in rural areas -- read,
with lots of trees -- that's where testing needs to take place.
I'm sure there's a lot of us who operate in areas that qualify for this
kind of signal obstruction.
what do you mean by wispa officially supports?
Mario
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update and a question for you guys
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006
4:25 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] tv
white spaces update and a question for you guys
Here is the relevant paragraph.
"The Notice proposed to requi
17 PM>To: 'WISPA General List'>Subject: Re: [WISPA] tv white spaces update and a question for you guys>>I would think a better approach would be to work with Intel or another >company who is already building prototypes to get a test system built >and have WISPs
: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 01:17 PM>To: 'WISPA General List'>Subject: Re: [WISPA] tv white spaces update and a question for you guys>>I would think a better approach would be to work with Intel or another >company who is already building prototypes to get a test system built >
I would think a better approach would be to work with Intel or another
company who is already building prototypes to get a test system built
and have WISPs become the operations portion of a test for this type of
technology. A converted WiFi unit will not have any of the existing GPS
or sniffin
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