Clint Ricker wrote:
Not to be overly provocative here, but why are you paying $60/meg?
I'd be more than happy to pay less. Please let me know where I can buy
a DS3 or OC3 delivered somewhere within my footprint or at most only a
couple of radio hops away for less than the $50-75 I'm paying
Forrest W. Christian wrote:
Clint Ricker wrote:
Not to be overly provocative here, but why are you paying $60/meg?
I'd be more than happy to pay less. Please let me know where I can buy
a DS3 or OC3 delivered somewhere within my footprint or at most only a
couple of radio hops away for less
I realize ideas like this aren't a one-size fits all. Geography,
topography, and so forth sometimes makes this uneconomical.
I will say, though, that usually independent ISPs (non-Wisps) that
have gone down this route, whether for server aggregation, bandwidth
aggregation, DSL aggregation,
Matt Liotta wrote:
You are correct that doing radio hops to the closest major market is a
good way to go, but in your case the mileage is just too high. How far
away are you from Microserve, which is in Idaho. I believe they serve
Boise, which probably has cheaper bandwidth.
Knowing what I
Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 7:30 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] You're all going to lose ( I hope not)
Forrest W. Christian
Forrest W. Christian wrote:
Knowing what I know about the territory out here is that when Microserv
said (paraphrasing) 200 miles is the cheap bandwidth, they probably
mean Salt Lake City. It's 200 miles from us to him, and just guessing,
there would probably be around 8-10 hops to get to
Not to mention that you can possibly use these intermediate hops as
pops for future expansion
On 9/11/07, Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Forrest W. Christian wrote:
Knowing what I know about the territory out here is that when Microserv
said (paraphrasing) 200 miles is the cheap
Matt Liotta wrote:
I don't know the area, but 8-10 hops sounds high to me as that is only
20-25 miles a hop.
Last I checked, 20-25 miles/hop is about as far as you can go to drag
OC3 level service in a reliable fashion, other than maybe using very
huge dishes on 6Ghz. I would have to do the
Travis Johnson wrote:
And, right now, we have more business than we can keep up with. We did
114 installs last month and could have done 140+ if we could find
installers to hire.
While we don't do residential and therefore don't share the same
concerns mentioned in this thread, the amount of
Forrest, I didn't mean to be offensive in my email, or imply that you
are doing anything bad with your billing/usage model. I was just
stating my opinion concerning the increased usage of bandwidth by
customers and the WISP industry in general.
I'm pretty sure that everyone agrees that
Sam Tetherow wrote:
Forrest, I didn't mean to be offensive in my email, or imply that you
are doing anything bad with your billing/usage model. I was just
stating my opinion concerning the increased usage of bandwidth by
customers and the WISP industry in general.
If I came accross defensive,
We provide symmetrical service to our customers. 2Mb/s down and up...
show me a typical Cable or DSL provider who can do that. In fact, most
cable plants are severely limited in the upload direction just because
of how the return path is configured (it all lives below channel 2).
You can
Forrest W Christian wrote:
we're trying to rid ourselves of exactly the same people that the cable
companies are ridding
themselves of - those which expect a full bore pipe for less than it
costs us to purchase the bandwidth.
I just had a guy who wanted to sign up but wanted to define what
Not to be overly provocative here, but why are you paying $60/meg?
You're a trade organization...make deals with each other, share your
upstream peers, buy in bulk, and get your $60/meg to $30/meg, $20/meg,
or even lower...
-Clint Ricker
Kentnis Technologies
On 9/10/07, George Rogato [EMAIL
@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] You're all going to lose ( I hope not)
Not to be overly provocative here, but why are you paying $60/meg?
You're a trade organization...make deals with each other, share your
upstream peers, buy in bulk, and get your $60/meg
Mike Hammett wrote:
I'm paying $150, but I only have 1. ;-)
Getting together on purchases of things never really seems to get anywhere.
The reason one side has to be the vendor and the other side the
customer. Nobody seems to want to be the customer of their peer.
-Matt
I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm paying $85/meg but over half that
cost is in transport which I can't do anything about. And before you
tell me to bring it in wirelessly I suggest you do a google map on
Valentine Nebraska ;) The last time I checked I was significantly
cheaper than
: Clint Ricker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] You're all going to lose ( I hope not)
Not to be overly provocative here, but why are you paying $60/meg?
You're a trade organization...make deals
That doesn't work really well because of the various WISPs around the
entire country. Our biggest expense isn't the actual bandwidth (that's
usually around $20/meg)... it's the cost of the transport from the
closest NOC. For us, that transport is at least 200 miles.
Travis
Microserv
Clint
Clint Ricker wrote:
Not to be overly provocative here, but why are you paying $60/meg?
You're a trade organization...make deals with each other, share your
upstream peers, buy in bulk, and get your $60/meg to $30/meg, $20/meg,
or even lower...
-Clint Ricker
Kentnis Technologies
Hmmm,
How
I've been saying this for a long time, but no one really cares to listen.
They're all happy with 768kb service.
The only way I can see doing it now is if you can use 5 gig and are using
DFS2 gear. Mikrotik and StarOS are the only systems that can put enough
throughput in the air to be able
We have over 2500 wireless clients, and we are in direct competition with
Cable and DSL. We have customers switch over to our higher priced lower
limits every day because we can provide SERVICE that the cable/telcos can't
provide. We average 85 install per month, and we don't have any big
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From: Mike Delp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 6:49 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] You're all going to lose ( I hope not)
We have over 2500 wireless clients, and we are in direct competition with
Cable and DSL. We have customers switch
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] You're all going to lose ( I hope not)
I really wish I had the type of cocmpetition you guys do. In the past
couple years I have never seen a cable modem go below its advertised
speed.
I've seen many people pull over 25 megs.
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Mike Hammett
Hi,
We have DSL, Cable, licensed 2.5ghz wireless providers and several other
WISP's in our areas. We are the most expensive out of all of them (512k
= $39.95 per month). However, we offer a real, static IP address for
every customer. We offer a free firewall/wireless router during the
Here in Midwest Kansas the competition is surprisingly tough. The ATT's
out there continue to escalate speeds and drop pricing...however, we
continue to kill the competition with our local flavor of services.
People here in the rural settings tend to buy into the we are the local
guys more
Mike Delp wrote:
We have over 2500 wireless clients, and we are in direct competition with
Cable and DSL. We have customers switch over to our higher priced lower
limits every day because we can provide SERVICE that the cable/telcos can't
provide. We average 85 install per month, and we don't
Travis Johnson wrote:
Hi,
We have DSL, Cable, licensed 2.5ghz wireless providers and several
other WISP's in our areas. We are the most expensive out of all of
them (512k = $39.95 per month). However, we offer a real, static IP
address for every customer. We offer a free firewall/wireless
Sam Tetherow wrote:
I honestly think in the long run as WISPs we need to find a way to
handle these types of users.
We have transfer caps in our agreements which are more than anyone would
use unless they are P2P users - more specifically, the pricing includes
a certain amount of transfer, and
Hi,
During business hours (7:00AM to 5:30PM) we throttle p2p traffic on our
entire backbone to 5meg up, 5meg down. Outside of those hours, we let
everyone run wide open with whatever speed they purchase.
In fact, we have a guy that purchased a dedicated point to point 2.5meg
connection from
Forrest W. Christian wrote:
Sam Tetherow wrote:
I honestly think in the long run as WISPs we need to find a way to
handle these types of users.
We have transfer caps in our agreements which are more than anyone
would use unless they are P2P users - more specifically, the pricing
includes a
That's pretty good pricing considering you charge $80/meg on a standard
account and he is getting $100/meg on a dedicated connection. I suppose
it is pretty economical if you get him to cover the equipment costs on
both ends and you are getting your BW at a reasonable price less than that.
Sam Tetherow wrote:
As ISPs in general I think we are going to have to be able to provide
for this type of traffic. P2P is not all illegal movies. If we want
to be providers for our community we need to be able to provide for
the bandwidth hungry applications as well.
I want to be clear...
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