RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories

2015-08-20 Thread Lee H Badman
I'm trying to get the FCC's attention on this: https://wirednot.wordpress.com/2015/08/19/an-open-letter-to-the-fcc/? -Lee Lee H. Badman Network Architect/Wireless TME ITS, Syracuse University 315.443.3003 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories

2015-08-20 Thread Philippe Hanset
Lee, I just read your Open Letter. Good work. Thank you. One question that I have for future reference is: “What constitutes blocking?” You mention White Noise or Frame manipulation… What if building owners have frequency blocking material as part of the design of the building. This could be

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories

2015-08-20 Thread Lee H Badman
It's a good point, and there was a bit of chatter on this on Twitter. The FCC has left the whole thing way too open-ended given the popularity of Wi-Fi, and a lot of topics bleed over on to each other. I'd be surprised if they responded in any way- the preference seems to be to ambush users

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories

2015-08-20 Thread Chuck Enfield
I’m not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV, but the relevant statute is section 333 of the Communications Act of 1934. Here it is in its entirety: No person shall willfully or maliciously interfere with or cause interference to any radio communications of any station licensed or authorized

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories

2015-08-20 Thread Lee H Badman
Does that include MiFis? Lee H. Badman Network Architect/Wireless TME ITS, Syracuse University 315.443.3003 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU on behalf of Frank Sweetser f...@wpi.edu Sent:

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories

2015-08-20 Thread Danny Eaton
Or cell phone tethering? -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 10:26 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN]

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories

2015-08-20 Thread Frank Sweetser
Students should be a relatively easy case. At least here, we make them sign an AUP, which references explicit provisions about not running unauthorized APs. Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu| For every problem, there is a solution that Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories

2015-08-20 Thread Frank Sweetser
We don't call out the variants (MiFis, hotspots, Nintendo DS WiFi USB adapter, etc...). Instead we just focus on anything broadcasting an SSID as interfering with or degrading WPI network service, in that it's competing for scarce airtime. That said, we *don't* launch countermeasures against

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories

2015-08-20 Thread Danny Eaton
One thing I’ve noticed in the LEED buildings we’ve recently built (2 dorms/colleges and a Physics building), is that the windows block the heat from the sun, which reduces need for A/C, etc. The heat from the sun is just another type of RF, basically. This has a side effect of blocking some,

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories

2015-08-20 Thread Philippe Hanset
We need to wait on an unfortunate school to be sued by a student due to Mi-Fi blocking in a Residential Property -Student: I pay rent, I can do whatever I want in my room -School: We provide “free” Wi-FI to all rooms and the interferences are becoming unmanageable to a point where we have

RE: 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories

2015-08-20 Thread Lee H Badman
​Great input., and interesting stuff to ponder. Lee H. Badman Network Architect/Wireless TME ITS, Syracuse University 315.443.3003 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU on behalf of Chuck Enfield

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories

2015-08-20 Thread Thomas Carter
We really need the vendors to step up on this one; they are selling the ability to do this. Why are they selling me an option that, if turned on, is illegal. Cisco, HP/Aruba, Ruckus, etc need to get off their butts and get involved in this. Maybe they are behind the scenes, but I don’t see or

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories

2015-08-20 Thread Chuck Enfield
This is consistent with PSU's position as it has been explained to me. You can have policies addressing what people are allowed to do on your property, and you can address violations of those policies through appropriate administrative and legal mechanisms. While, to my knowledge, this

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories

2015-08-20 Thread Thomas Carter
We are almost identical to this. We did active rogue prevention in the past, but it never worked as well as advertised anyway. The rogue device and the active prevention was just more noise pollution; too many students just stopped using their personal routers, etc but left them powered on and

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories

2015-08-20 Thread Chuck Enfield
I think your manufacturer would tell you that it should only be used to block unauthorized extensions of your network. Launching a DoS attack against an AP on your own network is different from jamming licensed spectrum or DoS’ing any unfamiliar AP within earshot of yours regardless of what

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories

2015-08-20 Thread Lee H Badman
You're real close to our model and practice as well. What about vendors and visiting faculty that pop up Mi-Fis without hesitation? From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU on behalf of Frank

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories

2015-08-20 Thread Frank Sweetser
If they're severe enough to catch our attention, typically an offer of better performing guest wireless is enough to convince them to happily pack their MiFi away. Now, the *@#*!!? wireless enabled printers, which still keep broadcasting a hidden SSID when you tell them to turn the radio off