Let's not turn this into a pissing match.
If you've decided to bow out and have expressed your reasons that is enough.
There is a still a large community of WiTango users out there that
appreciate the work put in by WiTango and would like to continue on with a
positive attitude.
It is a shame to
.
Thanks
Dan
-Original Message-
From: Wayne Irvine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 6:24 AM
To: witango-talk@witango.com
Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: Tough question - Discouragement
Let's not turn this into a pissing match.
If you've decided to bow out and have
Robert, In my professional opinion, if an email was sent to you privately, it was meant to be kept private. Turning this discussion into a tit for tat is one of the reason Phil states that he does not like to comment on threads like this so lets not go there. I agree with Wayne, you have
I am happy with the product.
Most problems we find have to do with our
own poorly written code.
p.
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Another opinion. We've been very satisfied with what Witango has been
able to offer in terms of rapid development and, lately, stability
and speed. (Mac OS X Server 10.3.9, Oracle 9i, Witango 5.5, J2EE
Witango servlet). Yes, there HAVE been issues esp with the Mac dev
studio, and yes,
fair enough.
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Robert Garcia
President - BigHead Technology
VP Application Development - eventpix.com
13653 West Park Dr
Magalia, Ca 95954
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On Dec 15, 2005, at 3:23 AM,
BTW, the note was meant for Phil to answer, should have sent to just
him.
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Robert Garcia
President - BigHead Technology
VP Application Development - eventpix.com
13653 West Park Dr
Magalia, Ca 95954
ph: 530.645.4040 x222 fax: 530.645.4040
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My main customers made the move to WebObjects, which we now develop
and deploy for him.
I was too long time not to have anworking Application/Database
combination. Openbase did not work and frontbase is not always working.
We will have Witango as a legacy component.
Christian Platt
: Thursday, December 15, 2005
8:12 AM
To: witango-talk@witango.com
Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Tough
question - Elation!
I am happy with the
product.
Most problems we find
have to do with our own poorly written code.
p
Title: Re: Witango-Talk: Tough question - Elation!
Ditto
on 12/15/05 10:08, David Shelley at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I too will be sticking with Witango. I have been using it since version 1.0 and love the product.
Our structured programming methodology leads to solid, robust applications
, 2005 8:12 AM
To: witango-talk@witango.com
Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Tough question - Elation!
I am happy with the product.
Most problems we find have to do with our own poorly written code.
p.
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: Stefan Gonick
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2005 9:26 AMTo: witango-talk@witango.comSubject: RE:
Witango-Talk: Tough question - Elation!
I am happy to report that I received a private email from Phil that
answeredmy questions and gave me the reassurance that I needed
Is that for the Windows
version?
From: Robert Shubert
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 12:59
PMTo: witango-talk@witango.comSubject: RE: Witango-Talk:
Tough question - Mixed Elation!
John,
I would strongly
suggest considering the upgrade of just some of your
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question - Mixed Elation!
Is that for the Windows version?
From: Robert
Shubert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005
12:59 PM
Hi Smitty,
I think that we are all already aware of the challenges of working
with
a not well-known product. Each one of us just has to decide if it is
worth
the difficulties. In my case, I have only lost a few projects due
to
my use of Witango. Mostly, it hasn't been a problem for me, so it's
Exactly. -- Robert Garcia President - BigHead Technology VP Application Development - eventpix.com 13653 West Park Dr Magalia, Ca 95954 ph: 530.645.4040 x222 fax: 530.645.4040 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bighead.net/ - http://eventpix.com/ On Dec 14, 2005, at 9:16 AM, Rick
I am sorry to see you go. I appreciate the help you gave me. I
personally have had great success with Witango. Maybe that is because I
am small fry and don't do anything very complicated. My site gets
about one and a half million hits a year. Not exactly enterprise
level. Witango has made it
, December 14, 2005 10:17 AM
To: witango-talk@witango.com
Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: Tough question
I agree with you robert. I have also gotten some WiTango
contracts off list.
Development is a big part of it. although the WiTango
development studio lite is free, it isn't full-featured
They don't help you learn how to code PHP, but the fully support the studio and servers. They also have PHP training and certification, that has become the standard in the php world. Zend has become the caretaker of PHP.So far, my experience with the support has been excellent. Very responsive and
This whole thing is so sad and discouraging to me. The problems that
you
list, Robert, are correctable, but since they weren't corrected, you are
now
leaving. This is extremely sad since you used to be one of the major
resellers.
Apparently, this is true for other major developers as well as we
And with people like
you, me, ben, and other helpers on the list moving on, the support
is even going to get worse.
Yes it will only get worse, without you guys that always
jumps in with answers and workarounds and suggestions, I dont know where someone
is going to got fo
For what it's worth, we are using witango and still are as happy as ever.
Our server is stable and our clients are happy and our business is growing better than it ever has.
I have programming experience in php as well and while there are things
i like about php (the C syntax mostly and all the
I probably should add, that witango may remain alive and well as an OEM solution to some big companies in other parts of the world. Witango Inc has put our types of business, developers using it to make money on our own, way down the list of priorities. Both when it comes to support, and in its
kiddin
all, I mean what I wrote.
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Chief Technical Officer
Learning Annex LLC
www.learningannex.com
From: Alan Wolfe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 2:03 PMTo:
witango-talk@witango.comSubject: Re: Witango-Talk: Tough question
The irony for me is that I am actually in the same position as you. I use
Witango
on Windows without significant problems. I love using it. I did learn
ColdFusion 4.5
years ago and found that it took about 50% longer to do the same
application
(though there are some aspects of the language that
Quinn,
Oh the beauty of free speech - anyone can say anything about anyone
whether it is based on fact or in the case of a few of the posts -
not. I am always being asked to say something on topics like this
publicly but I am dammed if I do and dammed if I don't. It is near
impossible
Apologies to all. My post to Quinn was meant to be off list.
Phil
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oops.
--
Robert Garcia
President - BigHead Technology
VP Application Development - eventpix.com
13653 West Park Dr
Magalia, Ca 95954
ph: 530.645.4040 x222 fax: 530.645.4040
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http://bighead.net/ - http://eventpix.com/
On Dec 14, 2005, at 3:18 PM, Phil
I have to confess that I wish WiTango had one of those Marketing Manager
types whose job it is to set direction for the product and disseminate
information to the user base about where it is going. A bit of information
would go a long way to keeping the users happy.
That said, I know that any
Well said. I'm guessing that Phil had no intention of responding and doesn't
intend to now. I'm guessing that this thread is just annoying to him.
That's sad.
Of course, I'm only guessing, but what else can I do without a response?
I'm not a rabble rouser or a discontent. I also know for a
ok, I have made my decision, and its time to bow out. But the remark
below that I am possibly stating things not based on fact, bothers
me. Unless you were not referring to me.
If you like, I can post our last email correspondence which ended on
11/17. Most, if not all, of my issues were
Hi Gene,
Yes, this is a tough question. But don't be hard on yourself, Witango can
still have a place somewhere in your organization I'm sure.
With regards to mainstream acceptance, I'd recommend Visual Studio .NET (the
latest release is known as Visual Studio 2005, and runs under .NET 2.0).
As
Take a look at Zend/PHP. Pay special attention to the Zend Platform.I haven't posted it yet, but I have decided to completely move off of the witango platform for many reasons, and we have just purchased our licenses for Zend.Why PHP over others?First, I wouldn't have chosen php on its own, it was
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From: Robert Garcia
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Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005
6:02 PM
To: witango-talk@witango.com
Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: Tough
question
Take a look at Zend/PHP. Pay special
Dittbrenner
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005
4:33 PMTo: witango-talk@witango.comSubject: RE:
Witango-Talk: Tough question
Robert
We have also made the
same decision as you and for the same reasons. My witango server CONSTANTLY goes
down. We have decided to go with a LAMP
Title: Tough question
Hi,
I would look into PHP for its cross
platform ability
I too am throwing in the towel. I have put
my heart and soul into this product
For those that have supported me as a
reseller, I thank you and especially the people at NCOL
For those of you wishing to
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