Ted,
From a screen reader point of view the user has to have titles switched on
which is not too much to ask.
Personally I'd shorten the title, it does not need to say Enter the, keep
them as brief as possible to the point of being curt.
Otherwise you can imagine the amount of excess noise that
On 12 Jan 2005, at 18:25, Mike Foskett wrote:
Creating a method of output without an equivalent method of input
seems more than oversight.
Forms are a means of input. Tables are a means of displaying tabular
data.
Input and output mechanisms rarely have to be the same. I input data to
a
Ted Drake wrote:
I'm not one to say screw accessibility, I need my pages to look purty,
but the point of my question is: we may have 30 to 50 people
registering. If I include a label for each fieldset, the page is going
to be bulky and possibly less usable for those with sight. A table
would
make
Pringle, Ron wrote:
I'm sorry, I'm coming onto this thread late, so I might be misinformed
as to
what you're trying to accomplish. So you have a form with a variable
number
of fields depending on how many travelers are to be insured, correct?
With a
maximum of 50?
Ah, now I understand what Ted
berry wrote:
How come the validator said that iframe is not a valid tag or can not be
used with HTML 4.01 strict? I remember that I used in the past iframe
without problem.
iframe is not defined in the HTML4.01 (or xhtml1.0) Strict DTD,
so using it in a strict document is not valid. Period.
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:01:38 +, Andy Budd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think that inputs in a table are ok.
This is tabular data, although not output, but input, but the
structure certainly is tabular.
To read a table user needs to understand its structure
(associate content with headings,
Here's the situation:
I've got a form that users fill out in order to add something to a database...
Under each dt, there's the label for= element for each of the input
elements, and that works fine
But because of the layout of the page, the label values are kept short,
yes... there are
Hi, David.
Why not use a DIV that contains all
the extra information you wish to convey? Conceal the DIV with display:none, and
then reveal the DIV when the user hovers over some sort of hotspot (use a
lowercase white"i" on a blue circle- the universal symbol for
"information").Simon
Sorry Andy,
I'll have to agree to disagree.
Personally speaking, the use of a table to layout tabular input is as valid as
using a table to layout tabular output.
Though I have no issue with other semantically correct methods previously
outlined.
In most scenarios I prefer them.
The conceptual
Hi all,
Thanks for the replies...
For those interested, I solved this by putting the graphic in question
into the footer div and gave it a negative top margin equal to the
height of the graphic. This lined up it's bottom with the bottom of the
right side of the page like I wanted. I then put in
Wow thanks for the great responses people!
Love this list :)
Cheers, solved all my problems with that question :)
Paul Novitski wrote:
At 06:23 PM 1/12/05, Chris Stratford wrote:
I was asked for the first time yesterday, what the big difference and
advantage to using an ID over a CLASS was...
As I read your mail I was going to suggest the hidden DIV with a
show/hide toggle button, then there it was at the bottom. I try to stay
away from popup windows where I can. When I've needed to do this, and I
you have enough space on the page, I've shown the help in a
nicely-formatted (light
Hi,
I think there are two main possibilities, both quite equal:
[1] Information on the same page
In that case you have link to the helping paragraph on the same page.
The onclick and other event handlers are added to the links with
javascript and also the help section (probably at the bottom of
Mike Foskett wrote:
Sorry Andy,
I'll have to agree to disagree.
Personally speaking, the use of a table to layout tabular input is as
valid as using a table to layout tabular output.
and
Kornel Lesinski wrote:
I think that inputs in a table are ok.
This is tabular data, although not output, but
If you want to use tables to lay out your forms (or anything else for
that matter) then go for it.
The point is that it is not layout table. It has semantic value.
It's a kind of table that can have summary, caption, headers and
contains repeating sets of data.
hairs and getting semantic, isn't
Hi David
I struggled with this as well. I tried the nicetitles javascript which allows
you to put the information in the title tag and firefox will show the entire
text. It also gives you the ability to style the tooltip window that pops up.
We decided against it for our particular use. We have
Hi David,
I didn't mean to sound quite so belligerent, I apologise, and I also take
your point: they are all equally valid at the moment. In the future as
browsers come more into line with supporting things properly they may not
be. No one knows, so maybe this discussion is all academic. I do
Kornel Lesinski wrote:
The point is that it is not layout table.
Of course it's a layout table. You're using a table so you can lay out
your labels next to your inputs all nice and neat. It doesn't contain
any data yet, just a bunch of form inputs. It's not data, it's a means
of laying out a
On 13 Jan 2005, at 16:47, Kornel Lesinski wrote:
The point is that it is not layout table.
Well, to be pedantic, a table is all about layout. Layout of
information.
It has semantic value.
I really hate that statement.
It's a kind of table that can have summary, caption, headers and
contains
Hi, everyone,
I have a a main navigation menu (ul) positioned as absolute. It works
fine as is, but I need to add a sub navigation under it. Every time I try,
the sub nav ends up not falling in place. The sub nav will be another ul and
is not currently on my page. What I'm wondering is there a
On Jan 13, 2005, at 10:01 AM, Andy Budd wrote, in part:
hairs and getting semantic, isn't all information on a website
really just data? So why can't present it all using tables?
Because it is not *tabular* data, unlike the practicular form that
this
discussion is all about.
Why? How can you say
I got into this discussion late and, while most of the thread has been
about showing and hiding layers, I thought I'd try to shed some light on
the subject of the message, and David's main question: opening new windows.
This has been mentioned here before, but it seems to come up pretty
often,
Hi People,
I am a Tech Writer and Web Developer. I am usually a silent reader in
WSG and being reading the amazing eye opening stuff about user
accessibily, layouts and many interesting stuffs.
1)
I would like ask what is the difference between using LINK REL and
@import statement in linking
Hi,
Hi People,
I am a Tech Writer and Web Developer. I am usually a silent reader in
WSG and being reading the amazing eye opening stuff about user
accessibily, layouts and many interesting stuffs.
1)
I would like ask what is the difference between using LINK REL and
@import
At 11:58 AM 1/13/05, Jeffrey Hardy wrote:
...
Here's an example of a call to window.open with the 'properties' argument:
onclick=window.open(this.href, '_blank', 'width=500, height=500,
menubar=no'); return false;
Nice summary, Jeff.
One correction: you're not supposed to embed spaces in the
Sorry for bringing up this (really) dead thread
But I finally got a response from the press team... suffice to say it
wasn't what I wanted to hear:
Brian Peterson wrote:
Hi David,
Thank you for the additional information and I appreciate your patience
with this request. However, I just heard
-Original Message-
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Paul Novitski
Subject: Re: [WSG] Popups
Also, while it's convenient to insert javascript event handlers into HTML
markup when demonstrating an example, in practice it's probably best to
leave the script out of the markup and
Hello all,
On this page:
http://66.155.251.20/picotte.com/about/
my layout is bustin' out in IE5.01. Can anyone spot why? 5.5 and 6 are
good.
Thanks for any help.
Tom Livingston
Senior Multimedia Artist
Media Logic
mlinc.com
-Original Message-
From: Salman, Khwaja [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, 14 January 2005 7:17 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [WSG] Two CSS Question
1)
I would like ask what is the difference between using LINK REL and
@import statement in linking style sheets.
Both
1)
I would like ask what is the difference between using LINK REL and
@import statement in linking style sheets.
Both of them atatches the Style sheet to an HTML document, I would
like to know the pros and cons of attaching with link rel or attaching
with @import.
@import will not be
link, providing two media types separated bya a comma and a space:
link rel=stylesheet type=text/css href=style.css media=screen,
projection /
If you need to use a style switcher, link is the only choice. I
personally prefer using link rather than @import.
@import has another issue, called FOUC
At 01:20 PM 1/13/05, Seona Bellamy wrote:
-Original Message-
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Paul Novitski
Subject: Re: [WSG] Popups
Also, while it's convenient to insert javascript event handlers into HTML
markup when demonstrating an example, in practice it's probably best to
Salman,
I'm glad you asked about including, I have wondered that myself. I would
like to add another question to yours: If I have a section of HTML that
is the same in all my files, is there a way to put it in a file by
itself and include it into each page?
As far as your question #2 goes: are
That's great, thank you very much. I have a project coming up where a script
like this will be very useful. :)
Cheers,
Seona.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Paul Novitski
Sent: Friday, 14 January 2005 9:07 AM
To:
Also, while it's convenient to insert javascript event handlers into
HTML
markup when demonstrating an example, in practice it's probably best
to
leave the script out of the markup and apply it from a separate
script file
at window.onload.
I'm curious as to how you do that, because to my mind
-Original Message-
From: Carl Reynolds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, 14 January 2005 9:15 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Two CSS Question
Salman,
I'm glad you asked about including, I have wondered that
myself. I would
like to add another
At 02:14 PM 1/13/05, Carl Reynolds wrote:
If I have a section of HTML that is the same in all my files, is there a
way to put it in a file by itself and include it into each page?
Carl,
Here are two ways (I'll be interested to learn about others):
1) Use a server-side scripting language such as
window.onload = externalLinks;
This is fine, if it's the only code you are assigning to onload, but it
overwrites any previous onloads and is overwritten by subsequent
onloads. ...
Another issue is that it works only after loading the whole page... I
use it in (testing setup of) a
At 02:39 PM 1/13/05, Ben Curtis wrote:
Also, while it's convenient to insert javascript event handlers into
HTML
markup when demonstrating an example, in practice it's probably best
to
leave the script out of the markup and apply it from a separate
script file
at window.onload.
One beef I have
Also, while it's convenient to insert javascript event handlers into
HTML
markup when demonstrating an example, in practice it's probably best
to
leave the script out of the markup and apply it from a separate
script file
at window.onload.
One beef I have with this code, and most code of this
Tom Livingston wrote:
Hello all,
On this page:
http://66.155.251.20/picotte.com/about/
my layout is bustin' out in IE5.01. Can anyone spot why? 5.5 and 6 are
good.
Thanks for any help.
Tom Livingston
Senior Multimedia Artist
Media Logic
mlinc.com
Hi All,
I have made another CSS Zen Garden design ... after doing my first one I
just couldn't help myself - I was bit by the bug! (By the way, the
second time around was sooo much easier!)
Anyway, I was wondering if any of you might care to check it out and
offer me any feedback on the
Mani Sheriar wrote:
Hi All,
I have made another CSS Zen Garden design ... after doing my first one I
just couldn't help myself - I was bit by the bug! (By the way, the
second time around was sooo much easier!)
Anyway, I was wondering if any of you might care to check it out and
offer me any
Beautiful concept... I just would like to see the main column expand to
the width of the available space... Have to do a lot of scrolling to
reach the bottom... but just beautiful.
**
The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/
See
Charles Martin wrote:
Beautiful concept... I just would like to see the main column expand
to the width of the available space... Have to do a lot of scrolling
to reach the bottom... but just beautiful.
Just to have a bit of a go at most Zen designs, maybe.
It just wouldn't look as nice if it
Hello,
I have a little problem with a border with a site I'm doing. The
prototype's URL is http://www.raquedan.com/quickinfo.
My 3-column lay-out has a bit of a snag. The left-most sub-column has
a border that doesn't stretch all the way down to the length of the
longest column (the center
Regnard Kreisler C. Raquedan wrote:
Hello,
I have a little problem with a border with a site I'm doing. The
prototype's URL is http://www.raquedan.com/quickinfo.
My 3-column lay-out has a bit of a snag. The left-most sub-column has
a border that doesn't stretch all the way down to the length of
Jixor - Stephen I wrote:
Regnard Kreisler C. Raquedan wrote:
Hello,
I have a little problem with a border with a site I'm doing. The
prototype's URL is http://www.raquedan.com/quickinfo.
My 3-column lay-out has a bit of a snag. The left-most sub-column has
a border that doesn't stretch all the way
Thanks for the suggestion! :)
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 18:29:35 +1100, Jixor - Stephen I [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jixor - Stephen I wrote:
Regnard Kreisler C. Raquedan wrote:
Hello,
I have a little problem with a border with a site I'm doing. The
prototype's URL is
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