Re: [WSG] Browser Stats

Helmut Granda wrote: > > . . . > > it seems like FF is loosing terrain, is w3schools accurate? No they're not, in fact I think there is a note about how they are no accurate on the page there. > Or is there > anyother place that I can check what the general public is using. > There are 3 kind

Re: [WSG] Chinese food and web standards

On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 14:34:35 +0930, Katrina wrote: > May I ask you which college/uni teaches web development? I believe Craig is a TAFE student in Brisbane, but I could be mistaken. warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems - http://elysiansystems.com/ Brisbane, Australia *

Re: [WSG] IE team says no to hacks

If you don't use CSS hacks you have 2 options. 1. Avoid CSS that is buggy in a browser. 2. Use other hacks like conditional comments. (Conditional comments *are* hacks, there just intentional ones) Number 1 is simply not an option unless your willing to look like useit.com or something. Number 2

Re: [WSG] Browser Stats

hi all, it may be that FF sucks sometimes a bit, the application-size is already reaching 40mb on my system, anyway - it is still the best solution for a browser, except for O 8.5 - that one has the facilities to get better maybe ... but FF is the icon and the symbol for Open Source getting reall

Re: [WSG] IE team says no to hacks

On 10/13/05, Peter Firminger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If you've gone against all sane advice and used CSS hacks then you knewexactly what you were in for with future browsers and potential problems.Don't look at me. I don't want to see an M$ bitch session develop here while Microsoft areseeming

Re: [WSG] IE team says no to hacks

Christian Montoya wrote: I'll probably be using conditional comments for the next five years, and everytime I use them I think to myself, this would just be easier if IE worked the same as FF/Opera/Safari. It sure would, but would IE be 'MSIE' then? :-) Besides, I think someone will have to f

RE: [WSG] IE team says no to hacks

If you've gone against all sane advice and used CSS hacks then you knew exactly what you were in for with future browsers and potential problems. I don't want to see an M$ bitch session develop here while Microsoft are seemingly trying very hard do the right thing (at last). Obviously we have to w

Re: [WSG] Browser Stats

On 10/12/05 10:43 PM "Helmut Granda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent this out: > it seems like FF is loosing terrain, is w3schools accurate? It's accurate in my case. On Mac, I think FF pretty well s*cks - what with stuck menus and stalls and all that sort of thing. I went back to Safari after about 2

Re: [WSG] IE team says no to hacks

I read the first part and even went to the websites of the hacks it gave references to. I thought that was the end of the post and then only saw the conditional stuff after I had posted so I apologize for that. Yes, exactly... IE needs to play nice like all the other browsers. Buddy Christian

[WSG] Browser Stats

For what I see in:   http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp   it seems like FF is loosing terrain, is w3schools accurate? Or is there anyother place that I can check what the general public is using.   This is for General Public, I know I can look in my logs to see my vi

Re: [WSG] Chinese food and web standards

Katrina wrote: I'm sorry, I totally didn't mean to send that to the list. Kat ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *

Re: [WSG] IE team says no to hacks

Did you read the blog post in the link? The writer insists that developers use conditional comments, and even shows how to use them. What I am saying is that IE should be eliminating the need for both conditional comments and hacks. I'm not saying to take their functionality away... it's a nice opt

Re: [WSG] IE team says no to hacks

what do you mean by conditional comments? It seems to me, that css hacks are not really a good thing since they are called hacks. The language should just work regardless of browser or computer. I think thats what standards are for aren't they? So that the language is standard for everyone?? Ma

Re: [WSG] Chinese food and web standards

Craig Rippon wrote: Kay, thanks. I am a web development student at college and this point came up in a lecture, just curious to get opinions. Cheers Craig R. Gday, I am a uni student at University of South Australia. May I ask you which college/uni teaches web development? Kat ***

Re: [WSG] Need more help Was: [css-d] List with hover background images

Tom Livingston wrote: All I want is link text with a backgnd image to show on hover. And ONLY the text should hover/link. The above again has "active blank space" within the href... yes, because of display:block; but I can't get the effect of text-pushed-over-to-allow-for-hover-bg-image w/o i

Re: [WSG] IE team says no to hacks

On 10/13/05, Alan Trick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I personally think that this will be unrealistic for the time being. Butit's nice to hear that the IE team is starting to take a stand againsthe problems their buggy software created.It sounds more like they are taking a stand against the designers

[WSG] IE team says no to hacks

I personally think that this will be unrealistic for the time being. But it's nice to hear that the IE team is starting to take a stand agains the problems their buggy software created. http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/10/12/480242.aspx ** T

RE: [WSG] Chinese food and web standards

>but there should be something similar which uses the KDE desktop. Knoppix uses KDE from (rather rusty) memory http://www.Knoppix.org Paul ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guide

Re: [WSG] Chinese food and web standards

On 10/13/05, Nick Cowie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you want to test in Linux, get a copy of Ubuntu live CD, drop the CD into > your drive, reboot from the CD and you have a fully function Linux box, > unfortunately it uses the Gnome desktop which knocks out testing Konqueror, > but there sh

RE: [WSG] Chinese food and web standards

Ian I am with Kay on Netscape 6.2 it was based on Mozilla 0.9.4.1 and released in October 2001. And quickly followed by 6.2.1 6.2.2 and 6.2.3 and then replaced within a year by Netscape 7 which ran a real Mozilla engine 1.0.1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netscape NS 6.2 has not been in my "

Re: [WSG] Chinese food and web standards

Kay Smoljak wrote: My layouts are pretty basic, so I doubt it wouldn't work. I think the number of people out in the general public using Linux on the desktop is infintismally (sp?) small. Hem not "infinitesimally small", but fewer than Windows. Possibly as many as Mac. IMHO designers fuss a

Re: [WSG] Chinese food and web standards

Hi Craig, On 10/13/05, Craig Rippon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Kay, thanks. I am a web development student at college and this point came > up in a lecture, just curious to get opinions. While it's important to be accessible to everyone, harsh economic realities dictate that you have to draw t

RE: [WSG] Chinese food and web standards

Kay, thanks. I am a web development student at college and this point came up in a lecture, just curious to get opinions. Cheers Craig R. -Original Message- From: Kay Smoljak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 13 October 2005 12:27 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [W

RE: [WSG] Chinese food and web standards

"and the market share of Linux in general in my own web site stats is next to nil." Wouldn't a LOT of Linux users now be Firefox users too? The OS is not the concern here (although Konqueror is Linux exclusive? ), it's getting things working in (somewhat imperfect) browsers. Ian is expressing

Re: [WSG] Chinese food and web standards

My layouts are pretty basic, so I doubt it wouldn't work. I think the number of people out in the general public using Linux on the desktop is infintismally (sp?) small. On 10/13/05, Craig Rippon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "and the market share of Linux in general in my own web site stats is

RE: [WSG] Chinese food and web standards

Sorry for being unclear. The page is pretty broken with overlaid content. You can see my browsercam output at http://www.browsercam.com/public.aspx?proj_id=198424 Got it. Yes, pretty "broken"! Fix the display in those browsers if and when you can. If only I knew where to start... It's taken

Re: [WSG] Is a colon after a form label necessary?

It makes things easier to associate in my opinion. At the end of the day its just punctuation... like using a full stop to separate content.  It may help too when the CSS is turned off.Zach Inglis // www.zachinglis.comOn 13 Oct 2005, at 02:18, McLaughlin, Gail G wrote: We are establishing Web stand

RE: [WSG] Chinese food and web standards

"and the market share of Linux in general in my own web site stats is next to nil." Genuine question: Is this because they visit, it doesn't work, and they don't come back, forever losing them as a customer? Craig Rippon Brisbane, Australia *

RE: [WSG] Chinese food and web standards

John wrote: > Define "doesn't work"? [I don't have those browsers to hand] > > If it "doesn't work" in the sense that some of the content is > invisible or illegible, links aren't clickable etc, then I don't > think I'd say it was acceptable. Sorry for being unclear. The page is pretty broken w

RE: [WSG] Is a colon after a form label necessary?

> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of McLaughlin, Gail G > Sent: Thursday, 13 October 2005 11:19 AM > To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org > Subject: [WSG] Is a colon after a form label necessary? > > We are establishing Web standards for forms a

Re: [WSG] Chinese food and web standards

On 10/13/05, Ian Fenn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have a lovely new em-based page on Chinese food that works fine in > practically everything apart from Netscape 6.2 and Konqueror 3.05. > > 1) Is it acceptable to go live with a layout that doesn't work with either > of these two browsers? (I not

Re: [WSG] Chinese food and web standards

1) Is it acceptable to go live with a layout that doesn't work with either of these two browsers? (I notice that a number of prominent web standardista websites have done so) Define "doesn't work"? [I don't have those browsers to hand] If it "doesn't work" in the sense that some of the content

[WSG] Is a colon after a form label necessary?

Title: Is a colon after a form label necessary? We are establishing Web standards for forms and are debating this. Here’s what I have gleaned based on reading the references cited below. 1. Colons are hard to see on a screen. (Reference 1.) 2. W3C does not state a requirement for a colon aft

[WSG] Chinese food and web standards

Hi, I have a lovely new em-based page on Chinese food that works fine in practically everything apart from Netscape 6.2 and Konqueror 3.05. My initial template is at http://www.chopstixmedia.com/dev/layout-test.html Please accept my apologies if it makes you hungry. Looking at my current websit

Re: [WSG] DW 8 & standards

We tested DW8 recently, Contribute 3 also uses this latest renderer. Its CSS support is a big improvement over the previous version. It still has a way to go yet. We picked up some issues with negative margins and other issues regarding floats. But if you keep these little issues in mind when bui

[WSG] Need more help Was: [css-d] List with hover background images

On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:48:05 -0400, Tom Livingston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: |-link text--| >hover and link work here< OK I solved the above issue by using display:table-cell and feeding WinIE display:block inCCs. But the same fix will not work for this: #faphomecont

Re: [WSG] List with hover background images

Float the list, or the containing div, so that the width won't stretch across the page? That should "contain" the hover effect. -- - C Montoyardpdesign.com ... liquid.rdpdesign.com ... montoya.rdpdesign.com

[WSG] List with hover background images

Listers... Here is the code I am using on a list of links: #content ul.linklist{list-style-type:none; margin:0 0 20px 0;} #content ul.linklist li{padding:0 0 .3em 40px;} #content ul.linklist a{display:block; padding:0 0 0 20px; margin:0 0 0 -20px;} #content ul.linklist a:hover{display:block; bac

Re: [WSG] Web developers & Voice recognition software (off-campus)

I will be off-campus from Wednesday, October 12 through Friday, October 14. I will return to campus on Monday, October 17. For technical assistance, or if this is an urgent web-related matter contact the ITS Helpdesk at [EMAIL PROTECTED], or call 612-659-6600. Otherwise, I will reply to your mess

Re: [WSG] Web developers & Voice recognition software

(Might be useful to someone else on this list too, otherwise apologies.) "Apple’s Speech Recognition and Speech Synthesis Technologies now give speech-savvy applications the power to carry out your voice commands and even speak back to you in plai

Re: [WSG] :after/:before used for layout

":after generated content cannot receive some CSS properties, including 'position', 'float', list properties, and table properties." That's CSS2. Can't find that line in CSS2.1. That's possible, I quoted this from PIE thus I don't know whether it was ment as a normative restriction, or practi

Re: [WSG] Safari FOUC was site check: liquid.rdpdesign.com

On 10/12/05, Philippe Wittenbergh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 12 Oct 2005, at 3:52 pm, Christian Montoya wrote:> Where would I document this?Blog ? Own website ?You could start here as well, or add an item to the CSS-D Wiki:< http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=FrontPage>Philippe---Philippe Witt

Re: [WSG] Safari FOUC was site check: liquid.rdpdesign.com

On 12 Oct 2005, at 3:52 pm, Christian Montoya wrote: Where would I document this? Blog ? Own website ? You could start here as well, or add an item to the CSS-D Wiki: Philippe --- Philippe Wittenbergh ***

Re: [WSG] Safari FOUC was site check: liquid.rdpdesign.com

On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 02:52:19 -0400, Christian Montoya wrote: > Where would I document this? Do you have a blog? Write an article there. If not, just add an article page to your website. Thinking bigger? Write it up for AListApart, or Evolt or... so many places. Even just write up the details and