[WSG] RE: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

> Back to Top Is there an issue with using this for screenreaders? Wouldn't they activate this link and nothing would happen? Does this work effectively across browsers to scroll the page to the top though? I've found it works on firefox, ie, opera on PC (winXP). Thanks, On 27/02/06, Lachlan

RE: Focus highlighting, was Re: [WSG] Some links for light reading (30/11/04)

I wasn't getting any problems with www.caexpo.com.au either (tabbing thru still highlights, like hover), I was testing using multiple IE installations on single PC as well though. Tim Hill Computer Associates Graphic Artist tel: +612 9937 0792 fax: +612 9937 0546 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Origina

RE: [WSG] Applications that don't open in a new window

C: Alt and left arrow key (works for forward with right arrow key as well) Tim Hill Computer Associates Graphic Artist tel: +612 9937 0792 fax: +612 9937 0546 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cameron Adams Sent: Friday

RE: [WSG] Sometimes you just cant help people ...

November 2004 5:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Sometimes you just cant help people ... Why cant you just say "read content" and leave the skip bit out altogether jackie Patrick H. Lauke wrote: > Hill, Tim wrote: > >> I believe as more sites take >> thi

RE: [WSG] Sometimes you just cant help people ...

'skip to content' versus 'skip to content of this page'? Hmm, I'm not so sure, sounds pretty obvious to me. Skip links should be as short as possible, because they get consistently read when a user visits a page with screen reading software. I believe as more sites take this approach on board, it

RE: [WSG] converting WORD text into clean XHTML

I do not know of a program you can download to work on your computer. But Dean Allen of Textism fame has this online. http://textism.com/wordcleaner/ Tim Hill Computer Associates Graphic Artist tel: +612 9937 0792 fax: +612 9937 0546 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL P

RE: [WSG] Site review - www.caexpo.com.au

Thanks for the feedback. Regarding the Agenda page, for this page, we have a lot of information on the page, hard to fit all of it on. I can understand the text is quite small. I have not thought of a solution to this. I guess a printable copy with larger text might be in order. People who don't

[WSG] Site review - www.caexpo.com.au

Hi I would like to hear any feedback about a new site I've had in development. It is located at www.caexpo.com.au ; The validation error about an " I have noticed and will remedy soon. Thanks, Tim Hill Computer Associates Graphic Artist tel: +612 9937 0792 fax: +612 9937 0546 [EMAIL PROTECTED

RE: [WSG] Font size and arrogance | accessibility in general I say

"I would spend 95% of my time on special solutions or hacks, which are pleasing only 5% of the users." Although I wouldn't say it works out to be such a big percentage, but you are right you would spend some time on it. But you need to start spending that time on it, new laws being passed will soo

RE: [WSG] Up and down arrows using HTML entities

I had a problem with using these, for some reason the line-height was larger than the actual text, even at the same font size. My case in example; I had a horizontal nav list, and I was using the arrows for dropdown indicators, the heights got out of sync when I used the unicode option so I had to

RE: [WSG] Target Attributes - alternative to frames

Have you seen Flex from Macromedia? I think digital web did an article on it a couple of week back. http://www.macromedia.com/software/flex/solutions/business/ If you check out the first example on the page about the shopping cart, the forms are very usable. Although I guess it could cost a bit to

RE: [WSG] JAWS and image maps in mozilla

I'm not sure many people are using JAWS in firefox? I was under the impression that most users were on IE because of the accessible interface? When I have tried to listen to the interface of firefox, it brings up a lot of graphics instead of text. But I'm not very good at it, so I'm probably in ver

RE: [WSG] Footer stuff

Adding | between links in footer is good practice for screenreaders because it breaks up the reading of the links. But in the second example, you already do this with the list items, so in terms of accessibility I doubt you would need to add | to them. Also those | are outside the so I'm not sure

RE: [WSG] Mac (Safari) rendering of colours

Could it be because of the colour depth on the mac? Jpeg makes an approximation of the colours used (like in the original file) for better optimisation. So on the PC its using a different colour depth and the jpeg appears okay but on the mac it has a more limited depth so it doesnt? Pencil tool a

RE: [WSG] Better Flexible Rounded Corners Option? and Site Check

There is an article on A List Apart that has something like that, not sure if you have seen that one. http://www.alistapart.com/articles/customcorners/ But I guess this has html meddling... Tim Hill Computer Associates Graphic Artist tel: +612 9937 0792 fax: +612 9937 0546 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [WSG] Scalable Inman Flash Replacement Technique

Just a note on this I tested it with a demo version of Jaws and it read the heading text, it did read it as a flash object though, so maybe for other screenreading software the heading may not read? Is anyone in a position to test this? Tim Hill Computer Associates Graphic Artist tel: +612 9937

RE: [WSG] Some updates on WE04 and free briefing session

What about the people who signed up before? Don't we get a free drink with dan cederholm and his equally amazing web standards book? Can we also get a signed photo from the event holders? Cameron was mentioning that bikini contest... Tim Hill Computer Associates Graphic Artist tel: +612 9937 079

RE: [WSG] Online browser XTHML editor

When I was testing out the demo on the page, it started to place tags in. Not sure if this would be the best choice in that case. Tim Hill Computer Associates Graphic Artist tel: +612 9937 0792 fax: +612 9937 0546 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:

RE: [WSG] Unaccessible - NY Attorney General busts two big name sites

Wow, that's big, can't believe they had to pay $40,000 that's huge. Tim Hill Computer Associates Graphic Artist tel: +612 9937 0792 fax: +612 9937 0546 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Bishop Sent: Friday, 20 Augu

[WSG] css help - convert from table to css - 3 tables

at this address: http://www3.ca.com/partners/channel/ At the bottom, there are 3 chips; an image on the left and text on the right inside a td. I want to convert this using CSS. I can nearly replicate it but it fails in ie5.0, where I can get a gap on the left. I wouldn't care about this but othe

RE: [WSG] divs and copying their content

I thought I remembered something about if you absolute position something, or have some weird float arrangement, IE has a hard time copying text, but sorry can't find URL for it. Tim Hill Computer Associates Graphic Artist tel: +612 9937 0792 fax: +612 9937 0546 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original

RE: [WSG] What to do when an External Link won't Validate?

I believe this concept is covered at Sitepoint as well; http://www.sitepoint.com/article/standards-compliant-world Ps have covered this in the list before, could probably find relating information by searching through the archives. Tim Hill Computer Associates Graphic Artist tel: +612 9937 0792

[WSG] list of text resizing buttons on websites

Hi, I'm looking for examples of text resizing buttons on websites. For example on the smh.com.au site, for each article they have the buttons in the top right, for printing, saving and increasing, decreasing text size. Can reply to me off list;   Thanks,   Tim HillComputer AssociatesGraph

RE: [WSG] Sportwear/fashion sites using web standards

http://www.onetruefit.com/ - Lee Jeans, and an interview with the design guy http://www.webstandards.org/learn/interviews/rcarver/ His company has more in the portfolio section as well. http://www.lookandfeel.com/ Tim Hill Computer Associates Graphic Artist tel: +612 9937 0792 fax: +612 9937 0546

RE: [WSG] mcafee site built with css

D] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hill, Tim Sent: Tuesday, 6 July 2004 2:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] mcafee site built with css Hi, thought people may like to know, the mcafee site built to standards, http://www.mcafee.com/us/ They are a pretty big company, I wonder if

[WSG] mcafee site built with css

Hi, thought people may like to know, the mcafee site built to standards, http://www.mcafee.com/us/ They are a pretty big company, I wonder if any other companies may follow suit. Tim Hill Computer Associates Graphic Artist tel: +612 9937 0792 fax: +612 9937 0546 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [WSG] Action to force browser developers to clean up their act

In response to Peter Firminger's response; "If you have to use a multitude of hacks to get your design to work in IE then you just plain built it wrong. Ask for help. That's what this list is for." "Using hacks to fix what you're doing (probably for pixel perfection) is a far bigger problem than

RE: [WSG] What Editors do you guys use?

http://tsware.net/ TSW Web Coder, pretty cool app. Has great CSS support and can make it do automatic xhtml syntax etc. and its free, (need valid email though, but I haven't received any spam from it) Tim Hill Computer Associates Graphic Artist tel: +612 9937 0792 fax: +612 9937 0546 [EMAIL PROT

RE: [WSG] Ten Questions for whomever

Yeah who's that Andy Budd guy anyway? *duck* Tim Hill Computer Associates Graphic Artist tel: +612 9937 0792 fax: +612 9937 0546 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Russ Weakley - Maxdesign Sent: Wednesday, 2 June 2004 11

RE: [WSG] check list for development

I would suggest some business orientated checks as well (most likely off-topic though) - Are you meeting user goals? - Is your content web orientated? There would be a lot more in there I would think, but I think it should be included for any check list of a development plan. Tim Hill Computer A

RE: [WSG] New suckerfish menus

Just a quick note on the new article on digital web mag, by Peter-Paul Koch. Mentions something interesting about his disapproval of the suckerfish dropdowns, and combining JS and CSS (3/4 down the page under Separation). http://www.digital-web.com/articles/separating_behavior_and_presentation /

[WSG] jakob nielsen redesign

Hi, 2 links about doing redesigns for Jakob Nielsen   Design Eye for the Usability Guy - DesignByFire http://www.designbyfire.com/94.html   reUseIt - Built For The Future http://www.builtforthefuture.com/reuseit/   These links talk about designing with web standards, and people's approac

[WSG] digital web magazine redesign

New redesign for digital web, looks cool.   www.digital-web.com     Tim HillComputer AssociatesGraphic Artisttel: +612 9937 0792fax: +612 9937 0546[EMAIL PROTECTED]    

RE: [WSG] Is a degree necessary?

eheheh 'before computers were used in design' sounds really old sorry =)   I think having a degree is alot better than just having a portfolio. I guess its really what you put in, is what you get out. Like you could still do a degree and just do the bare minimum just keeping up, not putting

RE: [WSG] image swallowing my list

list-style-type: none; will remove the bullets non? Also I think you could combine the background and background-color rules to just read background: transparent url(../img/bulletStar.gif) no-repeat 0 2px; The image that is aligned left? Is floated left? Maybe try using margin-left if you want m

RE: [WSG] anne ven kerstern

Anne ven kerstern is 17 years old? What the? Tim Hill Computer Associates Graphic Artist tel: +612 9937 0792 fax: +612 9937 0546 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anna ven Kesteren looks at a poorly structured site and does it with standards: http://annevankesteren.nl/archives/2004/05/leidennl-by-anne The or

RE: [WSG] Aligning two DIVs horizontally

Could you float both perhaps? Or would that not work? The divs would need to be the same height I guess though. Tim Hill Computer Associates Graphic Artist tel: +612 9937 0792 fax: +612 9937 0546 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

RE: [WSG] Your opinion and feedback requested

> My only comment is about the lack of a navigation menu > I know you can get to the home users, business users and service provider sections from 3 different sets of > links on the page but I spent a couple of minutes looking around for a traditional menu of some sort so i > > think that fro

RE: [WSG] CSS & the Linux documentation project

They look at it from a purely visual point, the advantages of css for accessibility will outweigh getting the layout right for 0.01% of the viewing population. One of the comments had me in shock, "The important thing to remember here is that the new CCS'ed documents should render well on older b

RE: [WSG] best method for columns inside a column

Sorry no answer to the problem... But your services div has a margin left of 197 and your splitter one has a margin left of 200. The splitter seems to be pushing out as well in ie5.0, im not sure why that is. Probably the width of the feature or services div becomes smaller in ie5 and so its out of

RE: [WSG] Skip links and Accessibility Info Links

Hi, some reading about skip links by Joe Clark, he specifies you should make them visible. Although for a commercial site it would be hard to push this idea, http://joeclark.org/book/sashay/serialization/Chapter08.html#h4-2020 And if you browse this interview with him on digital web to the heading

RE: [WSG] Font size, and how large is large enough?

Should you have classes with the same name as html tags? ie class body? How I see it being a problem for a coder, is if you have; body { blah blah } and then .body { blah blah } it could get confusing. You may not need the body class, because you could assume all p tags follow the same rules w

RE: [WSG] Usability Week 2004

Hi found this just recently, the author calls it, 'An Open Letter to Jakob Nielsen' He makes some interesting points. http://www.designbyfire.com/68.html There was another website I found talking about his criticisms of ebay, but I can't remember what it was =( Tim Hill Computer Associates

RE: [WSG] New CSS site

Title: Message looks awesome, fonts used in titles are really cool, love the effect. the only thing I could see was and I don't know if I'm right with this. in http://www.cinema4duser.com/dltex_handmade.html   the item boxes, you have the headings of these as s I'm not sure if you should

RE: [WSG] turning back to the dark side...

Hi, when I look at the New Releases page and other sub pages, the top nav seems cut in half, like the images are cut in half. I'm using pc with ie6 and moz 1.6, they both displayed the same. Was there a reason you used a different style sheet for the sub pages? It seems like its the same code exp

RE: [WSG] Nicely styled Hx tags

Title: Message provide a gun to shoot themselves? (and mail one to the 19 people still using n4.7)   Tim HillComputer AssociatesGraphic Artisttel:+612 9937 0792fax: +612 9937 0546[EMAIL PROTECTED]   -Original Message-From: Universal Head [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wedn

RE: [WSG] Styleswitching

cool, to get rid of that flash of unstyled content in IE, visit this page. http://www.bluerobot.com/web/css/fouc.asp Tim Hill Computer Associates Graphic Artist tel:+612 9937 0792 fax: +612 9937 0546 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Michael Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [WSG] Styleswitching

On the third page kevin yank talks about it a bit more [quote from article] "...if the target attribute of the tag is being phased out, does it really make a difference whether we're setting it with JavaScript instead of HTML? Sure, the page will validate against the HTML 4.0 Strict and XHTML 1.

RE: [WSG] CSS/XHTML NavBar and IE6

I think you need to remove the default margins on uls. So within; #navcontainer ul, I removed all the margins and added margin: 50px 0 0 0; *this basically means the same as; margin-top: 50px margin-right: 0 margin-bottom: 0 margin-left: 0; That fixes the problem in ie6, but you get the 3px thi

RE: [WSG] Background PNGs in IE/Win?

I have found problems with the colour displaying correctly in IE, because I want the png to complement the background colour it blends fine in moz but in IE it displays with a different shade and ruins it. Which is the reason I haven't switched to using png (even 8bit) all the time. Tim Hill Com

RE: [WSG] PDA Browser Testing

-- --I'm about to do some testing for a website and curious to see how it looks through a PDA. My major problem --is I don't have a PDA to test with.. -- --Do does anyone know if there is a free PDA "emulator" I could use for a Windows PC? I was looking for one of these as well, I found this no

RE: [WSG] back again but with no tables

Title: Message The floating item in the html appears below the thing you want to float over: you need to move the #sidecolumn above #maincolumn in the html. I think russ has something that explains it better, as always =)   Also in #wrapper reset text-align:left; this should stop it cente

RE: [WSG] CSS & Tables...

Title: Message You could apply a float to the LOGOUT that makes it float to the right. but have this above the text on the left in the HTML,   try this belong to usall your base are   if both are in block tags, you could apply a float: left to one and a float: right to the other.   will

[WSG] website help, fixing problem with ie5

Hi, sorry to do this but I can’t find the problem I am having. The address is http://www.pinkforlife.info/new/home.html   My site is structured with; A ‘header’ div A ‘container’ div, that contains, a ‘content’ (left), and ‘nav’ (right) A ‘footer’ div   In ie5 there is a gap from th

RE: [WSG] A quick XHTMLquestion

Or why follow standards at all? XHTML is a newer standard than HTML, and people move to newer standards because of what they can provide. If you could move to XHTML (ie moving to newer technology for future compatibility etc.) and keep a consistent look of your page without restricting your audie

RE: [WSG] A quick XHTMLquestion

Kevin Yank at sitepoint has a great article on this. Although the the target still does not exist, there are no   http://www.sitepoint.com/article/1041     One of his main points:   *--- Quote starts here ---* I mean, if the target attribute of the tag is being phased out, does

[WSG] html encryption tool

Does anyone know how this would work? It encrypts the source code so you can view it but it is encrypted.   http://www.mtopsoft.com/encrypt-html-pro/index.htm       Tim Hill Computer Associates Graphic Artist tel: +612 9937 0792 fax: +612 9937 0546 [EMAIL PROTECTED]  

[WSG] style guide

Hi I was wondering if anyone had an example of a well laid out style guide for a web site.   So basically a guide for someone else to get a quick understanding of the design a site/production.   Thanks,   Tim Hill Computer Associates Graphic Artist tel: +612 9937 0792 fax: +612 9

RE: [WSG] Re: Image float and text wrap

Use a margin-left on the text that is the size of the image and then float the image to the left? So its like content between here Tim Hill Computer Associates Graphic Artist tel: +612 9937 0792 fax: +612 9937 0546 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Miles Tillinger [mailto:[EM

[WSG] css positioning - one column middle of page

Hi I have seen this working in IE at http://contest.prestontalk.com/index/gothic/0/4/1/ and I can get it working in Mozilla, but not in IE on my own comp.   And from what I can gather of the code  #container { position: relative; margin: 10px auto; width: 750px; 

[WSG] CMS question

Hi, I just recently joined, I was hoping someone might be able to point me in the right direction for this. At my work marketing emails are sent out to promote various products/events. My role is to provide the structured layout, and other people to input the text. My problem lies with