On 19 Aug 2010, at 11:08, Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/content-models.html#annotations-for-assistive-technology-products-aria
However, with the new outline/sectioning algorithm, you can potentially go
well over the classic h1-h6 number of heading levels, while the ARIA
On 18 Aug 2010, at 23:40, Rob Crowther wrote:
On 18/08/10 17:51, tee wrote:
This example doesn't look very semantic to me :-) Is there a tag
that can replace or substitute the use of headings?
If you properly nest your section and article elements then you
can use just h1 everywhere:
On 19/08/2010 10:13, David Storey wrote:
So the section or article elements could be taken out of context and
displayed elsewhere but retain their h1 headings.
You could, but I still use the h1 to h2 inside the sections because no
browser uses the sectioning algorithm for thing like styling.
Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
On 19/08/2010 10:13, David Storey wrote:
So the section or article elements could be taken out of context and
displayed elsewhere but retain their h1 headings.
You could, but I still use the h1 to h2 inside the sections because no
browser uses the sectioning algorithm
On 19 Aug 2010, at 11:51, Rob Crowther wrote:
Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
On 19/08/2010 10:13, David Storey wrote:
So the section or article elements could be taken out of context
and
displayed elsewhere but retain their h1 headings.
You could, but I still use the h1 to h2 inside the
On 19/08/2010 11:51, Rob Crowther wrote:
Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
Also worth pointing out that, to my knowledge, no AT/screen reader
currently supports it either, so this may cause some issues for these
users at present.
Similarly the native semantics of elements like header and nav don't yet
David Storey wrote:
maybe, but any is not backwards compatible so not really an option to
use any time soon, and is (AFAICT) a Mozilla only extension that is not
in any specification. As it isn't even in any spec, even if it does get
accepted by the CSS working group, it will take ages to be
On 18/08/10 17:51, tee wrote:
This example doesn't look very semantic to me :-) Is there a tag that can
replace or substitute the use of headings?
If you properly nest your section and article elements then you can
use just h1 everywhere:
section
h1Monday/h1
article
h1First post/h1
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 12:11 PM, designer
desig...@gwelanmor-internet.co.uk wrote:
Tom,
I have 'played' with the simple elements and I like them. I actually wanted
to have a 'page' element (or wrapper) since that is an element that is used
an awful lot, but I never got anywhere with folk
Tom, I think the answer to that is semantics - div has no meaning. Id's are
there for you to manipulate the look and behaviour, the tags themselves
offer a way for third parties to glean meaning from the page. e.g you could
build an overview of a page by grabbing the first bit of text inside
a 'div' definitely has meaning, ie: it is a division of one part of
the page, from another; whether it is used for other behaviour,
doesn't preclude it from from its original meaning.
but when everything is in a div, div ceases to have much meaning. It
simply says theres a bunch of things on the
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 5:53 AM, Chris Knowles w...@ckweb.com.au wrote:
a 'div' definitely has meaning, ie: it is a division of one part of
the page, from another; whether it is used for other behaviour,
doesn't preclude it from from its original meaning.
but when everything is in a div, div
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 4:53 AM, Chris Knowles w...@ckweb.com.au wrote:
a 'div' definitely has meaning, ie: it is a division of one part of
the page, from another; whether it is used for other behaviour,
doesn't preclude it from from its original meaning.
but when everything is in a div, div
Just to add onto Chris' email.
This sounds like a good place to suggest people purchase Jeremy
Keith's book HTML5 for Web Designers. In it he actually describes the
semantics of the new tags and gives defines when and how to use tags
like section article header footer etc. If you have
Subject: Re: [WSG] Getting my feet wet in HTML5
Ignoring that this isn't using HTML5 elements, but using it as an
analogy - via the classes and IDs - could this be improved upon? Is
there a place for section(s) here? Did I get the element concepts
right?
Thanks again...
Sorry,, Corrected
Sorry,, Corrected Structure:
div id=wrap
div id=header
pHeader here/p
/div!-- !End Header --
div id=container class=clear
div class=article
Content with an H2, a UL, Ps and
: Re: [WSG] Getting my feet wet in HTML5
Sorry,, Corrected Structure:
div id=wrap
div id=header
pHeader here/p
/div!-- !End Header --
div id=container class=clear
div class=article
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From: Tom Livingston tom...@gmail.com
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Getting my feet wet in HTML5
[snip]
I actually have this book. And read it cover to cover. The problem
comes when I actually have to BUILD something using these elements
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 1:11 PM, designer
desig...@gwelanmor-internet.co.uk wrote:
Tom,
I have 'played' with the simple elements and I like them. I actually wanted
to have a 'page' element (or wrapper) since that is an element that is used
an awful lot, but I never got anywhere with folk
, than do it on your personal site or for a
more progressive client.
Ted
-Original Message-
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Tom Livingston
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 10:34 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Getting my
On 13 Aug 2010, at 18:51, Ted Drake wrote:
You need to build a site to learn HTML5 semantics, it's like the old days of
hybrid table-based layouts. 7 years ago you really needed to ditch tables to
truly understand CSS.
Are you suggesting that to switch to HTML5 we should avoid the use of
Take a look at the js, it's pretty simple.
However, it is true that you are leaving yourself open. At Yahoo, we treat
IE6 as an a-level browser. http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/articles/gbs/
So you aren't going to see me push to change Yahoo! Finance to HTML5 tags.
However, I have been doing
names will not give
you that understanding. It's a mental leap.
-Original Message-
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Tony Crockford
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 10:57 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Getting my feet wet
List,
Here's a theory question ( i think) for ya. I'm working on a layout,
and am attempting to use section and aside. Properly, I believe.
But as I look at my layout, I'm thinking ok, i'll put an ID on this
section, and one on that section... and I stopped and thought Uh
oh... it's the same as
Tom, I think the answer to that is semantics - div has no meaning. Id's
are there for you to manipulate the look and behaviour, the tags
themselves offer a way for third parties to glean meaning from the page.
e.g you could build an overview of a page by grabbing the first bit of
text inside
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