RE: [WSG] New logo scheme was talking points for standards

2005-12-07 Thread Alan Trick
I was just thinking about that and I don't think google.com (or for that matter - anything that company creates) would manage to get more than 1 star. On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 12:00 +1100, Peter Williams wrote: From: Herrod, Lisa Who really pays attention to the badges? Are the badges

Re: [WSG] New logo scheme was talking points for standards

2005-12-07 Thread Christian Montoya
On 12/7/05, Alan Trick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was just thinking about that and I don't think google.com (or for that matter - anything that company creates) would manage to get more than 1 star. You just now realized that Google doesn't care at all about standards compliance??? I think

RE: [WSG] New logo scheme was talking points for standards

2005-12-07 Thread Paul Bennett
Trick Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 3:36 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] New logo scheme was talking points for standards I was just thinking about that and I don't think google.com (or for that matter - anything that company creates) would manage to get more than 1 star

Re: [WSG] New logo scheme was talking points for standards

2005-12-06 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Peter Williams wrote: 1 star for content to markup ratio 1 star for validation of markup and css These two should be able to be automated, just like the w3c validator. 1 star for accessibility 1 star for semantic markup 1 star for ? suggestions from the audience required. These three

RE: [WSG] New logo scheme was talking points for standards

2005-12-06 Thread Peter Williams
From: Patrick H. Lauke Peter Williams wrote: 1 star for content to markup ratio 1 star for validation of markup and css Let the market regulate itself. Let standards-compliant markup sites take over because of their benefits actually manifesting themselves (easier to maintain,

RE: [WSG] New logo scheme was talking points for standards

2005-12-06 Thread Herrod, Lisa
you're not doing it for the elephant stamp? lisa -Original Message- From: Patrick H. Lauke To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: 7/12/05 9:37 Subject: Re: [WSG] New logo scheme was talking points for standards Peter Williams wrote: 1 star for content to markup ratio 1 star

RE: [WSG] New logo scheme was talking points for standards

2005-12-06 Thread kvnmcwebn
Personally, I don't think the logos Do It - they are too techie and Joe Average doesn't see what they mean. i like the approach of this site that uses text links(footer) in the overal style of the site http://www.monc.se/work/ ** The

Re: [WSG] New logo scheme was talking points for standards

2005-12-06 Thread Vincent Johansen
The whole deal about putting buttons on websites we make for clients is in my humble opinion quite retarded. You're directing traffic straight out of your clients website and to a page where they go Wha? All of a sudden you lost the user. Put those damn buttons on your own webpage if you

RE: [WSG] New logo scheme was talking points for standards

2005-12-06 Thread Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Herrod, Lisa Sent: Wednesday, 7 December 2005 10:15 AM To: 'wsg@webstandardsgroup.org' Subject: RE: [WSG] New logo scheme was talking points for standards We work this way because it's best

Re: [WSG] New logo scheme was talking points for standards

2005-12-06 Thread adam reitsma
I think there is still a mentality of any of those awards/certified/compliant buttons just being a click stealer.Remember those web award badges you could stick on your site with pride in the early 90's - until you realised that it was only there to get users to click off your site? I believe the

Re: [WSG] New logo scheme was talking points for standards

2005-12-06 Thread Lea de Groot
On 07/12/2005, at 9:14 AM, Herrod, Lisa wrote: We already have a rating system with A - AAA conformence and the pretty badges to go with it. It probably is 'just another button scheme' (hey, it was 6:30 in the morning!) but the concept was for Joe Average to start seeing these similar

RE: [WSG] New logo scheme was talking points for standards

2005-12-06 Thread Peter Williams
From: Herrod, Lisa Who really pays attention to the badges? Are the badges useful? really? surely an accessibility page on the site is more informative and helpful/useful/clear to those who are interested. We work this way because it's best practice and the right thing to do; it's

RE: [WSG] New logo scheme was talking points for standards

2005-12-06 Thread Peter Williams
From: Vincent Johansen The whole deal about putting buttons on websites we make for clients is in my humble opinion quite retarded. You're directing traffic straight out of your clients website I'm not sure I'd word it quite that way, but I agree that sending visitors away isn't a good

RE: [WSG] New logo scheme was talking points for standards

2005-12-06 Thread Peter Williams
From: Andreas Boehmer From: Herrod, Lisa surely you're not doing it for the elephant stamp? Could not have put it better. Agreed, but wasn't this all started by someone wanting a way to communicate the goodness of standards compliant sites to a lay audience? Wouldn't a scheme like that

RE: [WSG] New logo scheme was talking points for standards

2005-12-06 Thread Peter Williams
From: Patrick H. Lauke But the question remains: who awards these stars? Self-accreditation would obviously be futile. And who monitors that stars are rightly awarded, and not used by sites that don't meet the criteria? Hey, if there's full-time jobs being created here, I'm in... It has

RE: [WSG] New logo scheme was talking points for standards

2005-12-06 Thread Paul Noone
@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] New logo scheme was talking points for standards Peter Williams wrote: It has to be somehow enforced for it to have value. And as that's not going to happen, the star rating will be meaningless. To get back to the energy efficiency analogy, it's a situation

Re: [WSG] New logo scheme was talking points for standards

2005-12-06 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Paul Noone wrote: So, given that the W3C buttons enforce compliancy by returning errors if the page isn't valid, what's wrong with them again? WCAG buttons don't link to any validator. And, of course, accessibility cannot be checked in any satisfactory way without *human* testing (let me

Re: [WSG] New logo scheme was talking points for standards

2005-12-06 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Lea de Groot wrote: http://www.energyrating.gov.au/con3.html Ugly stickers; Very effective program. From http://www.energyrating.gov.au/background.html Manufacturers who produce / import appliances for the Australian market are required to submit their products to an approved testing

Re: [WSG] New logo scheme was talking points for standards

2005-12-06 Thread Richard Czeiger
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] New logo scheme was talking points for standards Lea de Groot wrote: http://www.energyrating.gov.au/con3.html Ugly stickers; Very effective program. From http://www.energyrating.gov.au/background.html Manufacturers who produce