[wsjt-devel] use of NTP with WSJT-X disrupted by Windows 10 updates

2018-12-03 Thread Matt Power
WSJT-X on Windows has generally expected that the machine has third-party NTP software and doesn't use the Windows Time service. This affects clock accuracy, and consequently affects decoding performance in various ways, including the possibility of being affected by the recently identified "negati

Re: [wsjt-devel] use of NTP with WSJT-X disrupted by Windows 10 updates

2018-12-03 Thread David Fisher
NTP with WSJT-X disrupted by Windows 10 updates WSJT-X on Windows has generally expected that the machine has third-party NTP software and doesn't use the Windows Time service. This affects clock accuracy, and consequently affects decoding performance in various ways, including the possibili

Re: [wsjt-devel] use of NTP with WSJT-X disrupted by Windows 10 updates

2018-12-03 Thread AB4IQ
Well that's all I run as well is PRO and have on 10, 7, 8.1, XP. Ed.. From: David Fisher [mailto:dsfis...@outlook.com] Sent: Monday, December 3, 2018 9:30 PM To: WSJT software development Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] use of NTP with WSJT-X disrupted by Windows 10 updates It sounds

Re: [wsjt-devel] use of NTP with WSJT-X disrupted by Windows 10 updates

2018-12-04 Thread Matt Power
Yes, possibly it would help if individual users choose an OS other than Windows 10 Home. This doesn't solve the general problem. The presence of any users with misconfigured time synchronization hurts everyone because it reduces the probability that an arbitrary QSO attempt will be completed effici

Re: [wsjt-devel] use of NTP with WSJT-X disrupted by Windows 10 updates

2018-12-04 Thread Dana Myers
On 12/3/2018 7:13 PM, Matt Power wrote: WSJT-X on Windows has generally expected that the machine has third-party NTP software and doesn't use the Windows Time service. This strikes me as perhaps dated with respect to Windows 10. My Win 10 Pro box here (1809, 17763.134) runs the default Windo

Re: [wsjt-devel] use of NTP with WSJT-X disrupted by Windows 10 updates

2018-12-04 Thread Morris Wideman via wsjt-devel
Would this not also be dependant on one`s computer. My previous ham use computer when I started with JT65 it would not function until I added a time sync program and I had to set this program to adjust the time each minute to provide decent decodes. My new machine is much more stable and it is

Re: [wsjt-devel] use of NTP with WSJT-X disrupted by Windows 10 updates

2018-12-04 Thread Dana Myers
On 12/4/2018 6:33 PM, Morris Wideman via wsjt-devel wrote: Would this not also be dependant on one`s computer. My previous ham use computer when I started with JT65 it would not function until I added a time sync program and I had to set this program to adjust the time each minute to provide dece

Re: [wsjt-devel] use of NTP with WSJT-X disrupted by Windows 10 updates

2018-12-04 Thread Jim Shorney
NTP is a mature protocol and has been doing it right for years. Windows is late to the party. 73 -Jim NU0C On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 18:52:37 -0800 Dana Myers wrote: > > Why hesitate to install something that helps you and those your trying to > > communicate with. > If Windows is already offe

Re: [wsjt-devel] use of NTP with WSJT-X disrupted by Windows 10 updates

2018-12-05 Thread Bill Somerville
On 05/12/2018 03:52, Jim Shorney wrote: NTP is a mature protocol and has been doing it right for years. Windows is late to the party. 73 -Jim NU0C Hi Jim, that's not really correct. Windows Server variants have had an NTP client for many years, it is that client that is being shipped with

Re: [wsjt-devel] use of NTP with WSJT-X disrupted by Windows 10 updates

2018-12-05 Thread Dana Myers
On 12/5/2018 4:32 AM, Bill Somerville wrote: Anyway, reading the link Dana kindly posted, it is hardly a simple facility. You must edit several registry values just to get it working and it seems very unpolished for a desktop offering. You need only edit the registry values to get the highest (

Re: [wsjt-devel] use of NTP with WSJT-X disrupted by Windows 10 updates

2018-12-05 Thread Bill Somerville
On 05/12/2018 17:41, Dana Myers wrote: On 12/5/2018 4:32 AM, Bill Somerville wrote: Anyway, reading the link Dana kindly posted, it is hardly a simple facility. You must edit several registry values just to get it working and it seems very unpolished for a desktop offering. You need only edit

Re: [wsjt-devel] use of NTP with WSJT-X disrupted by Windows 10 updates

2018-12-05 Thread Kevin Utzy
I was wondering trying to read this thread.  What I haven't been able to discern is whether or not, if I can turn off the windows time update and use the USB GPS dongle I have been using.  My new Win 10 machine is coming tomorrow and I would like to know a head of time if this is going to be a

Re: [wsjt-devel] use of NTP with WSJT-X disrupted by Windows 10 updates

2018-12-05 Thread Topher Petty
The solution is simple: For Amateur Radio, dual-boot into Linux and give Micro$oft the finger... When you need to do something that you can only do in Windows (what, I don't know... other than MMORPGs and the like), boot back... On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 8:41 PM Kevin Utzy wrote: > I was wondering

Re: [wsjt-devel] use of NTP with WSJT-X disrupted by Windows 10 updates

2018-12-05 Thread Topher Petty
Also.. as for time servers... what, precicely, is wrong with time.google.com (other than it being free, and alphabet)? de AI8W, Chris On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 9:27 PM Topher Petty wrote: > The solution is simple: For Amateur Radio, dual-boot into Linux and give > Micro$oft the finger... When you n

Re: [wsjt-devel] use of NTP with WSJT-X disrupted by Windows 10 updates

2018-12-05 Thread Stan Gammons
Or do like myself and others do and run the Windows only software in a Windows VirtualBox VM on Linux. 73 Stan KM4HQE On 12/5/18 8:27 PM, Topher Petty wrote: The solution is simple: For Amateur Radio, dual-boot into Linux and give Micro$oft the finger... When you need to do something that yo

Re: [wsjt-devel] use of NTP with WSJT-X disrupted by Windows 10 updates

2018-12-05 Thread Jim Shorney
Thank you for your comments, Bill. I can only relate my own experiences. I have had to fiddle with every version of Windows up to 7 to keep the time sync accurate enough for my liking, even before JT/JT modes came into my shack. I do not run Windows server versions at home, not do I run any ver