Re: [XeTeX] TECkit map for Latin alphabet to Unicode IPA

2011-10-30 Thread Andy Lin
BTW, I don't know if this was mentioned already, but if you're having a problem with diacritic placement due to your fonts not having proper anchor points, you can try using the SIL unicode fonts, which have proper anchor points, as well as a large repertoire of pre-composed glyphs (Charis SIL in p

Re: [XeTeX] TECkit map for Latin alphabet to Unicode IPA

2011-10-30 Thread Andy Lin
I second looking through xunicode.sty. Most of the tipa commands are the same, although a couple were altered, as precedence was given to the math symbols (I think). The comments in file explain why a particular command was assign to a particular character in these cases, and IIRC, tell you what co

Re: [XeTeX] TECkit map for Latin alphabet to Unicode IPA

2011-10-30 Thread Ross Moore
Hello Daniel, On 30/10/2011, at 21:41, Daniel Greenhoe wrote: >> On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 5:50 PM, Ross Moore wrote: >>> With Xunicode loaded, does this not do what you want? >>> c\textsubring{b}c > > On ctan at http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/xetex/latex/xunicode > there is no documen

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] Ftuture state of XeTeX in TeXLive

2011-10-30 Thread Herbert Schulz
On Oct 30, 2011, at 1:10 PM, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: > > > Khaled Hosny wrote: >> On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 05:18:18PM +0100, Petr Tomasek wrote: >>> >>> Actually, I think little people need more then than what XeTTeX acctually >>> provides... >> >> "640kb ought to be enough for

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] Ftuture state of XeTeX in TeXLive

2011-10-30 Thread Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)
Khaled Hosny wrote: On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 05:18:18PM +0100, Petr Tomasek wrote: Actually, I think little people need more then than what XeTTeX acctually provides... "640kb ought to be enough for anybody." "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers."

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] Ftuture state of XeTeX in TeXLive

2011-10-30 Thread Khaled Hosny
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 05:18:18PM +0100, Petr Tomasek wrote: > > Actually, I think little people need more then than what XeTTeX acctually > provides... "640kb ought to be enough for anybody." -- Subscriptions, Archive, and List information, etc

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] Ftuture state of XeTeX in TeXLive

2011-10-30 Thread Paul Isambert
Le 30/10/2011 17:20, Petr Tomasek a écrit : On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 04:29:18PM +0100, Paul Isambert wrote: Le 30/10/2011 13:20, George N. White III a écrit : On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 7:42 AM, Khaled Hosny wrote: Writing an OpenType layout engine is not a simple task, and you can judge from the

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] Ftuture state of XeTeX in TeXLive

2011-10-30 Thread Petr Tomasek
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 03:29:30AM +1100, Vafa Khalighi wrote: > Are you talking about TeX--XeT bidirectional typesetting algorithm? Sorry that was a typo, am using a slow connection and a mutt on a server over ssh... > No, It has several major bugs and it is not perfect for RTL typesetting (ok >

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] Ftuture state of XeTeX in TeXLive

2011-10-30 Thread Vafa Khalighi
Are you talking about TeX--XeT bidirectional typesetting algorithm? No, It has several major bugs and it is not perfect for RTL typesetting (ok but not perfect). On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 3:18 AM, Petr Tomasek wrote: > On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 09:20:19AM -0300, George N. White III wrote: > > On Su

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] Ftuture state of XeTeX in TeXLive

2011-10-30 Thread Petr Tomasek
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 09:20:19AM -0300, George N. White III wrote: > On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 7:42 AM, Khaled Hosny wrote: > > > On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 04:25:21PM +1100, Vafa Khalighi wrote: > >> XeTeX font support is heaps better and  stable than what luaotfload package > >> offers and I guess

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] Ftuture state of XeTeX in TeXLive

2011-10-30 Thread Petr Tomasek
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 04:29:18PM +0100, Paul Isambert wrote: > Le 30/10/2011 13:20, George N. White III a écrit : > > On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 7:42 AM, Khaled Hosny > wrote: > >> Writing an OpenType layout engine is not a simple task, and you can > >> judge from the many years it toke FOSS commu

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] Ftuture state of XeTeX in TeXLive

2011-10-30 Thread Paul Isambert
Le 30/10/2011 13:20, George N. White III a écrit : On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 7:42 AM, Khaled Hosny wrote: > Writing an OpenType layout engine is not a simple task, and you can > judge from the many years it toke FOSS community to have a really good > one, HarfBuzz (the name luaotfload is mislea

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] Future state of XeTeX in TeXLive

2011-10-30 Thread BPJ
On 2011-10-28 21:02, Zdenek Wagner wrote: 2011/10/28: On Fri, 28 Oct 2011, William Adams wrote: majority of documents are created using GUI tools. What use cases are better served by batch mode, and in what cases is TeX used by default because of available GUI tools refuse to play. Large da

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] Ftuture state of XeTeX in TeXLive

2011-10-30 Thread George N. White III
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 7:42 AM, Khaled Hosny wrote: > On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 04:25:21PM +1100, Vafa Khalighi wrote: >> XeTeX font support is heaps better and  stable than what luaotfload package >> offers and I guess that is why many users still like using xetex instead >> luatex. I personally

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] Ftuture state of XeTeX in TeXLive

2011-10-30 Thread Khaled Hosny
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 04:25:21PM +1100, Vafa Khalighi wrote: > XeTeX font support is heaps better and  stable than what luaotfload package  > offers and I guess that is why many users still like using xetex instead > luatex. I personally believe that it is a bad practice that luaotfload just > co

Re: [XeTeX] TECkit map for Latin alphabet to Unicode IPA

2011-10-30 Thread Daniel Greenhoe
> On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 5:50 PM, Ross Moore wrote: >> With Xunicode loaded, does this not do what you want? >> c\textsubring{b}c On ctan at http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/xetex/latex/xunicode there is no documentation about xunicode other than a brief readme. Is there currently any do

Re: [XeTeX] TECkit map for Latin alphabet to Unicode IPA

2011-10-30 Thread Peter Dyballa
Am 30.10.2011 um 10:11 schrieb Daniel Greenhoe: > How do I in general put, for example, U+0325 below U+0062, > while still maintaining proper alignment (e.g. the bottom of the "b" > (U+0062) with a ring (U+0325) below it is still aligned with the > bottom of an adjacent "c" (U+0063) with nothing

Re: [XeTeX] TECkit map for Latin alphabet to Unicode IPA

2011-10-30 Thread Daniel Greenhoe
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 5:50 PM, Ross Moore wrote: > With Xunicode loaded, does this not do what you want? > c\textsubring{b}c > > or cb0325c (with no extra package). Yes, both of those work great! Thank you! Dan On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 5:50 PM, Ross Moore wrote: > > On 30/10/2011, a

Re: [XeTeX] TECkit map for Latin alphabet to Unicode IPA

2011-10-30 Thread Ross Moore
On 30/10/2011, at 8:11 PM, Daniel Greenhoe wrote: > On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Peter Dyballa wrote: >> With COMBINING RING BELOW, U+0325? > > Yes --- How do I in general put, for example, U+0325 below U+0062, > while still maintaining proper alignment (e.g. the bottom of the "b" > (U+0062

Re: [XeTeX] TECkit map for Latin alphabet to Unicode IPA

2011-10-30 Thread Daniel Greenhoe
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Peter Dyballa wrote: > With COMBINING RING BELOW, U+0325? Yes --- How do I in general put, for example, U+0325 below U+0062, while still maintaining proper alignment (e.g. the bottom of the "b" (U+0062) with a ring (U+0325) below it is still aligned with the bott

Re: [XeTeX] TECkit map for Latin alphabet to Unicode IPA

2011-10-30 Thread Peter Dyballa
Am 30.10.2011 um 02:12 schrieb Daniel Greenhoe: > For example the "b" with a small circle under it > (voiceless b) is quite important in Chinese. Any suggestions for > typesetting glyphs with diacritics? With COMBINING RING BELOW, U+0325? -- Greetings Pete Engineer: a mechanism for converti

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] Ftuture state of XeTeX in TeXLive

2011-10-30 Thread Vafa Khalighi
The > problem is, it's easier to blame luaotfload for its uncertain status > than to sit down and write a replacement; so please let's not forget > that without luaotfload LuaTeX wouldn't be different from PDFTeX as far > as fonts are concerned. > > That was not what I was trying to convey. What

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] Ftuture state of XeTeX in TeXLive

2011-10-30 Thread Vafa Khalighi
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Paul Isambert wrote: > Le 30/10/2011 06:25, Vafa Khalighi a écrit : > > > XeTeX font support is heaps better and stable than what luaotfload > > package offers and I guess that is why many users still like using > > xetex instead luatex. I personally believe that

Re: [XeTeX] TECkit map for Latin alphabet to Unicode IPA

2011-10-30 Thread Daniel Greenhoe
2011/10/30 Zdenek Wagner : > It depends... In Linux you can define your own xkb map and thus have > all accents on your keyboard. It is possible to define macros in emacs ... Thank you for your feedback. However, I was not referring to keyboard input methods, I meant how do I, for example, create

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] Ftuture state of XeTeX in TeXLive

2011-10-30 Thread Paul Isambert
Le 30/10/2011 06:25, Vafa Khalighi a écrit : XeTeX font support is heaps better and stable than what luaotfload package offers and I guess that is why many users still like using xetex instead luatex. I personally believe that it is a bad practice that luaotfload just copies ConTeXt code, it