once when I was the time keeper I was siezed halfway thru the time with a
very strong despire to just ring early. it passed.
On Nov 28, 2012 12:41 AM, Bill! billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote:
...Bill!
Bill,
If you are waiting for zazen to end you aren't doing zazen
Edgar
On Nov 28, 2012, at 3:41 AM, Bill! wrote:
...Bill!
You don't do zazen, zazen does you.
If you've never had the thought arise that the timekeeper has made some
serious error, I find it difficult to believe what you write about zazen.
If you don't find it an amusing thought, or an amusing aspect of our
common humanity that we have such thoughts,
Chris,
I sometimes felt, on sesshin, that, on occasion the Jikijitsu allowed the
period to go 10- or 25 percent OVER, just out of Compassion.
But I often sit 2-3 periods without walking, as one does when samadhi is just
becoming established, ...if samadhi had recently been scarce in daily
I one time let the periods go longer in order to resync the schedule after some
delay and the senior student ordered me to ring the bell! I did not let it go
longer again.
There is a story they tell in the Bay Area about Suzuki just leaving and not
coming back for hours and hours and letting
Chris,
That never happened in our old sangha in Tucson. We regularly held 7-day
sesshin with NO teacher at all. More Zen that way, eh? (Merle can tell you
what Zen means; I can't).
In fact, sesshin without a teacher is the norm. Not everyone knows this.
Sesshin WITH a teacher is called
Chris, Joe, et al...
I never had this happen at any sesshin I attended but there were times that the
timekeeper did not ring the bell on the schedule specified. In the times when
this was a longer period than scheduled (usually 40-minutes) there started to
be some scattered squirming around
Bill!,
Reminds me of what I've heard-tell about Werner Eberhard trainings, EST.
But yours sounds more humane and for exact purposes, and did not come at
extortative prices. Or did it?
Sounds like you got your money's worth down the years, anyway. ;-)
The moral I glean is, Always bring your
Joe,
I didn't have to pay. I was sent there by my employer at the time - Bank of
America. I was Director of Advanced Technology (computer stuff).
...Bill!
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Bill!,
Reminds me of what I've heard-tell about Werner Eberhard
Bill!,
Those rascals!
;-)
--J.
Bill! BillSmart@... wrote:
Joe,
I didn't have to pay. I was sent there by my employer at the time - Bank of
America. I was Director of Advanced Technology (computer stuff).
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book
Joe,
An example of one of the other exercises we did at that conference was we
divided up into teams of I think 5 apiece. Each team had a different problem
to solve, it was a logistics problem - management oriented. Each on on the
team was given a 'clue', a piece of information that was
Bill!,
Thank you, Bill!(!)
Definitely cool. Too cool for School!
--Joe
PS Remember the Star Trek thing about the Kashi-Maru exercise, or whatever it
was, at Star Fleet Academy? Your training reminded me at first of this. Cap't
Kirk effected some unique and famously- legendary solution of
Joe,
Another exercise started with a group of 5 or so too. We were told a story and
asked a question about it. We were given 3 answers to choose from. We were to
then discuss the story and first try to come to a unanimous decision for one of
the 3 answers; and if we couldn't do that we were
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