Edgar,
Yep, of course I know that.
We all studied it. But I never taught it.
Ours is not a Formal Logic echo! Nor one devoted to computer programming. I
think our words are merely goads, and not to be taken to the bank.
;-)
--Joe
PS I knew I could count on this sort of a "toot" from yo
Joe,
NO, the meaning of 'IFF' is a precise specific meaning in formal logic. It
means 'if and only if'.
Haven't any of you guys ever studied logic?
Well the answer to that question is painfully obvious!
:-)
Edgar
On Dec 2, 2012, at 9:30 PM, Joe wrote:
> Mike,
>
> It's onomatopoeic. And ha
Mike,
It's onomatopoeic. And has a certain cache!
Butt... (that's a logico-technical word, like "iff", as in "sniff), I mean to
(try to) convey both the sense of, 1.) awe at the efficient and effective power
of something which is *both* a statement AND punctuation of itself; AND 2.), an
assau
Instead of "Phew", how about "Phraap!". "Hei no oto" (sound of fart) or
"Kaze no oto" (sound of wind) just don`t have the same ambience.
--- On Mon, 3/12/12, Joe wrote:
From: Joe
Subject: Re: [Zen] truth is beauty
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.c
Bill!,
> Maybe there's hope for us yet!
No hope! Chao-Cho would say "Mu"!
And if you squeezed Chao-Cho to clarify, you might get him to say, "Nah!, it's
not LIKE that".
I think your differences are not fundamental, but superficial.
(please don't take this personally. Rather, please DO!)
Th
ave seen 1st.
> Mike
>
> --- On Mon, 3/12/12, Joe wrote:
>
> From: Joe
> Subject: Re: [Zen] truth is beauty
> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, 3 December, 2012, 3:30
>
>
> Dad was a hard hat,
> But not a red neck, uh-uh.
> 'd say &
Mike,
Let's generalize things and get away from the personal.
(let Edgar's nose heal up, a while). ;-)
Look at it my way: people of today are all silly UNTIL they hear a f*art; then,
they get ALL serious as if something deep has happened. The funny thing is
that it HAS!
Am I a nut? No.
(w
Mike,
You are a card! King of Hearts, and a Joker, in one. Kudos!
A wild "card". But not the wildcard that can stand in for Merle and get away
with it for long! We're ON to you. ;-)
--Joe
PS Pretty good simulation!; I'm missing Merle, too.
> mike brown wrote:
>
> Joe,
> What do you mea
Joe,
What do you mean.. Who are Richard and Laura..?
Mike
Ps. Sorry, it`s just that I`m missing Merle..
--- On Mon, 3/12/12, Joe wrote:
From: Joe
Subject: Re: [Zen] truth is beauty
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, 3 December, 2012, 3:49
Joe,
Only 2nd? I`d like to have seen 1st.
Mike
--- On Mon, 3/12/12, Joe wrote:
From: Joe
Subject: Re: [Zen] truth is beauty
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, 3 December, 2012, 3:30
Mike,
Dad was a hard hat,
But not a red neck, uh
, Edgar Owen wrote:
From: Edgar Owen
Subject: Re: [Zen] truth is beauty
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, 3 December, 2012, 3:45
Mike,
Yes, birds of a feather flock together
Interesting how you disrespect the whole Zendo full of Zen
Edgar,
I respect the working-gals, but that's me. ;-)
Yep, I know it, and it *is* rather a plague. Less and less real grunt-work is
needed "anymore" (?true?) so maybe the overall situation can continue to
improve as far as education is concerned. Not there there are jobs available
for the e
Joe,
I have plenty of respect for working men who can think through and solve
mechanical electrical etc. type problems. However sadly they are very often
plagued by uneducated, low life and unhealthy mentality in the other aspects of
their lives...
Edgar
On Dec 2, 2012, at 12:03 PM, Joe wro
Edgar,
Speaking for myself, Dad taught me to chop wood, carry water, etc.
I wish to God he could have met my Shih-fu, or your Teachers. They would have
been Jake with him! Dad died too young, after doing that work for 50 years. I
carry on, but that's mostly WHAT I do. He was a lot more prod
Mike,
> Maybe it`s a British thing.
No doubt. But it's something we share!
Undeniably HUMAN. Oh, well! ;-)
For Better or worse, for Richard or Laura... .
Hope I'm not making too much 'cents',
;-)
--Joe
PS ( I "hear" Edgar's: "No worries about *THAT*, Joe!" )
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups
z, what a boring bunch of pompous old farts you must be hanging out with
> then. Give me a bunch of construction workers or soldiers to hang out any day
> of the week.
>
> Mike
>
> --- On Sun, 2/12/12, Edgar Owen wrote:
>
> From: Edgar Owen
> Subject: Re: [
Edgar,
Grown ups call ourselves "Adults".
But I love the ANTIQUITY of that early usage, preserved into... "old age"?
Some never grow up. ;-)
Not mentioning names, now! No implications. It's all in your mind. At least
when you don't want it to be "Real"! Always an "OUT!", for the wicked!
Some say the cartoonist is the dharma-heir of Gary Larsen-the-Retired.
--Joe
Mike,
Dad was a hard hat,
But not a red neck, uh-uh.
'd say "Pull my finger!"
(2nd Arizona entry in the First-Internationl Haiku non-Competition)
--Joe
> mike brown wrote:
>
> Edgar,
> Jeez, what a boring bunch [scissors].
Current Book Discussion: any Z
Chris,
OK, True-Confessions-time? Here's a "blast" from the past, taught to me by a
schoolboy when I was a schoolboy; it's something his whacky old Italian
grandmother taught him. She was a hoot, herself!
The first stanza goes as yours does, Chris.
(did you know that there "is" a second stan
A Haiku he writes!
well before the caffeine bites;
Our Bill!, from the Hill!
(an Arizona entry in the Zeroth-International Haiku Wu-Wei Non-Competition)
-- by Joe, by Jove.
PS But, Bill!, you needed that fire to heat the water for that coffee (so did
*I*). You mean you used the microwave aga
--- On Sun, 2/12/12, Joe wrote:
From: Joe
Subject: Re: [Zen] truth is beauty
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, 2 December, 2012, 15:34
Mike,
Well, I just wondered myself -- questioned -- whether the cave people might not
have
--- On Sun, 2/12/12, Joe wrote:
From: Joe
Subject: Re: [Zen] truth is beauty
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, 2 December, 2012, 15:34
Mike,
Well, I just wondered myself -- questioned -- whether the cave people might not
have
Mine was always, "Apple tart makes you fart, custard powder makes it louder".
An oldie, but a goodie.
--- On Mon, 3/12/12, ChrisAustinLane wrote:
From: ChrisAustinLane
Subject: Re: [Zen] truth is beauty
To: "Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com"
Date: Monday, 3
Edgar,
Jeez, what a boring bunch of pompous old farts you must be hanging out with
then. Give me a bunch of construction workers or soldiers to hang out any day
of the week.
Mike
--- On Sun, 2/12/12, Edgar Owen wrote:
From: Edgar Owen
Subject: Re: [Zen] truth is beauty
To: Zen_Forum
s of something can make
>> their art look so easy and effortless... until you try it!
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> --- On Sun, 2/12/12, Joe wrote:
>>
>> From: Joe
>> Subject: Re: [Zen] truth is beauty
>> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
>> Date
> living in Yangzhou. It`s truly amazing how masters of something can make
> their art look so easy and effortless... until you try it!
>
> Mike
>
> --- On Sun, 2/12/12, Joe wrote:
>
> From: Joe
> Subject: Re: [Zen] truth is beauty
> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, R A Fonda wrote:
>
>
> In the darkness of mind
> before the word or concept
> Fire awakened us
In the mind's darkness,
Before the word or concept,
Coffee woke me up.
...Bill!
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book tha
Edgar,
I've been thinking for a long time that our seeming differences were only
semantic or at least not fundamental.
Maybe there's hope for us yet!
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> Very strange. I do essentially agree with everything in your post b
Mike,
Well, I just wondered myself -- questioned -- whether the cave people might not
have an overall different mentality from people raised in modern times and with
probably different norms of behavior in the group. And I thought of how I''d
heard that in China, after a good meal where one is
--- On Sun, 2/12/12, Joe wrote:
From: Joe
Subject: Re: [Zen] truth is beauty
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, 2 December, 2012, 2:05
Mike,
My old tai chi teacher Da Liu (1902-2000) always began each class with his
doing the form
Bill!,
In my far-flung time-zone last night, I was fading, and you were still Bright
and Smart.
I think you may be encapsulating in your poem for me the concern I showed for
that static fellow at the top of the 100-foot pole. Is that correct?
I've had about 8 hours now of relative WAKEFULNE
On 12/1/2012 7:53 AM, Edgar Owen wrote:
I'm surprised you don't have a wood stove instead of a fireplace with
a blower.
We live in a poorly designed faux-chalet that was built by the previous
owner, and have just made-do all these years as first we hung on working
in a hard-scrabble poverty-p
RAF,
Excellent thought and poetry.
That in fact is one of the reasons I love my wood stove so much. Controlled
fire is a wonderful living force at the center of human civilization and you
say may well have been central to the evolution of human consciousness..
Edgar
On Dec 1, 2012, at 10:06
RAF,
There's no sloppiness of any kind, when one is sharing one's heart, and I thank
you for it. Our topic is deep and fundamental. And hard to get at. Or is it?
--Joe
> R A Fonda wrote:
>
> On 11/30/2012 11:45 PM, Joe wrote:
> > The golden glow of the low cook-fire; the golden light of Sam
Mike,
My old tai chi teacher Da Liu (1902-2000) always began each class with his
doing the form.
He'd say, "I *DO*, you WATCH."
It was a nice organic phrase, and could as well have been one word, in some
language. We came to understand it as such.
During his playing of the form, Da Liu BELCH
On 11/30/2012 11:45 PM, Joe wrote:
The golden glow of the low cook-fire; the golden light of Samadhi. The
identity of the Community and its lineage, and its storehouse of
wisdom and stories. It goes 'way back. This is no modern Invention.
I sense that we are all on the same page about this. It
Edgar,
Yes sir.
Some work so that this is never lost. I believe this is the most important
thing in the world. Funny!
--Joe
> Edgar Owen wrote:
>
> Joe,
>
> Yes, a wonderful and powerful image which has been largely lost in modern
> society...
>
> Edgar
>
> On Nov 30, 2012, at 11:45 PM,
, Edgar Owen wrote:
From: Edgar Owen
Subject: Re: [Zen] truth is beauty
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, 2 December, 2012, 0:02
Joe,
Yes, a wonderful and powerful image which has been largely lost in modern
society...
Edgar
On Nov
Bill,
Very strange. I do essentially agree with everything in your post below except
the last part where you condemn me for NOT AGREEING WITH IT!
:-)
I can only conclude you still don't realize what I'm saying
Edgar
On Nov 30, 2012, at 11:59 PM, Bill! wrote:
> RAF,
>
>
> You have now
Joe,
Yes, a wonderful and powerful image which has been largely lost in modern
society...
Edgar
On Nov 30, 2012, at 11:45 PM, Joe wrote:
> RAF,
>
> I think the connectedness we enjoy on sesshin -- which means "joining the
> mind", or "sharing the mind" -- is what was the norm when small co
Edgar,
It rarely gets below 10C (50F) even at night. Heat is the main problem. It
does get in excess of 40C (104F) regularly.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> PS, of course you aren't faced with the problem of cold weather where you
> are. That's a
RAF,
I think Bill and I both agree with you here. I do. What I mean to convey is
that all reality itself is Buddha Nature (what I call 'ontological energy', the
reality of existence, and which others call Tao) has existed since the
beginning.
Siddhartha just discovered or realized what had alw
Bill,
PS, of course you aren't faced with the problem of cold weather where you are.
That's another good approach... What's the coldest it gets there?
Edgar
On Nov 30, 2012, at 10:45 PM, Bill! wrote:
>
> Joe, and also RAF and Edgar...
>
> So are your efforts to be able to produce your own
Bill,
With regards to a wood stove in particular it's all of the below..
Edgar
On Nov 30, 2012, at 10:45 PM, Bill! wrote:
>
> Joe, and also RAF and Edgar...
>
> So are your efforts to be able to produce your own electricity based on a
> desire for:
> complete self-sufficiency (as in surviv
RAF,
I'm surprised you don't have a wood stove instead of a fireplace with a blower.
Much more effective and no dependence on electric. When I move in here, 33
years ago, I put the largest wood stove (takes 24" logs) I could get right in
front of my fireplace opening with the pipe horizontal up
RAF,
You have now defined EP as: "Evolutionary Psychology, and by extension,
in common usage, the body of adapted behavior in humans mediated by
genetic propensity."
Thanks for that. I can now answer the very important question you posed
in your closing paragraph below, but before doing so I need
RAF,
I think the connectedness we enjoy on sesshin -- which means "joining the
mind", or "sharing the mind" -- is what was the norm when small communities sat
together in caves in evenings, with nothing to say, after din-din, and the
cook-fire was burning low. We can't prove this, unless we si
Bill!,
It's lodging in my third eye, and causing vertigo, or verdigris. Help!
(must be something I *didn't* eat).
--Joe
> "Bill!" wrote:
>
> Joe,
>
> When I dedicated this haiku to you it was not meant to describe you. It was
> meant to encapsulate the message you delivered in prose in you
On 11/30/2012 10:45 PM, Bill! wrote:
So are your efforts to be able to produce your own electricity based
on a desire for:
1. constancy (as in a temporary back-up)
RAF
On 11/30/2012 7:59 PM, Edgar Owen wrote:
But Bill uses Zen (capitalized) to refer to the historical Buddhist
sect (which I refer to as zen (uncapitalized since it's less important
than Zen)).
Okay, thanks for that explanation. I usually capitalize it simply as a
sign of respect, though when I
Bill!,
Aww-w, Bill!, you're making me remember that I forgot to rank in order the
moral standings of those three characters yesterday. I won't forget for long.
But I will forget, now, in order to answer the question(s) at the pointy front
of the queue:
I produce a little juice in order 2.) a
RAF,
Okay... I'll now go back and re-read your previous long post to see if I want
to respond further.
Thanks...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, R A Fonda wrote:
>
> Bill:
> > What does EP mean?
>
> Evolutionary Psychology, and by extension, in common usage, the body of
> adapted beh
RAF,
Thanks - you've answered my questions in my previous post...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, R A Fonda wrote:
>
> On 11/30/2012 7:55 PM, Bill! wrote:
> > I've experimented around with electric power generation (solar and
> > wind) and still haven't found any that are more cost-effec
Joe, and also RAF and Edgar...
So are your efforts to be able to produce your own electricity based on
a desire for:
1. complete self-sufficiency (as in survivalist)
2. constancy (as in a temporary back-up)
3. cost-savings
4. a more ecological means (more 'green')
5. other (ple
On 11/30/2012 7:55 PM, Bill! wrote:
I've experimented around with electric power generation (solar and
wind) and still haven't found any that are more cost-effective, much
less more efficient and 'green', then the community grid.
True. I just want my own power source so that when the power goe
All,
That's what I THOUGHT! Extraordinary Pontification!
(pot, calling the kettle black, here; relax, gangstas).
Lil' joke, now; don't all jump me at ONCE.
One at a time? Two?
OK. Two.
--Joe
> R A Fonda wrote:
>
> Bill:
> > What does EP mean?
>
> Evolutionary Psychology, and by extensio
Bill!,
We, err-r, "hams" have to be (like to be) ready, in case of an emergency, and
like to have home-power on-hand in case the big-momma should go down. We think
our comm's might save the day, a little at a time. And we see it happen, when
things happen. We train for it, so it's not mayhem
Bill:
> What does EP mean?
Evolutionary Psychology, and by extension, in common usage, the body of
adapted behavior in humans mediated by genetic propensity.
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are
reading! Talk about it to
Joe,
When I dedicated this haiku to you it was not meant to describe you. It was
meant to encapsulate the message you delivered in prose in your preceding post.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" wrote:
>
> Bill!,
>
> Put down WHAT?
>
> Pu tong hua?
>
> Oh, an attractively ve
RAF,
Yes, kind of...
I use the term Zen (upper-case 'z') to refer to Zen Buddhism because I see that
as a proper noun. 'Zen' is a religion and in fact a subset of Buddhism.
I us the term zen (lower-case 'z') to refer to my practice of integrating
Buddha Nature into my daily life. 'zen' is no
Bill!,
Poor ghost does not know that there's no gravity in dreams!
And there is no falling, in this Life.
--J.-J.
> Edgar Owen wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> Gosh Bill, I was going to jump but then I saw the splat when you hit the
> ground!
>
> The other ghosts tell me you now finally understand my t
Bill,
Gosh Bill, I was going to jump but then I saw the splat when you hit the ground!
The other ghosts tell me you now finally understand my teachings on the reality
of the world of forms!
:-)
Edgar
On Nov 30, 2012, at 8:02 PM, Bill! wrote:
> Joe,
>
> I've long since given up trying to co
Bill!,-bo,
> his slippery drips of logic and smears of understanding
Tears of MIS-understanding.
Shucks... makes *me* sad just to THINK of it.
Boo-hoo.
Got KLEENEX?
--Joe
PS As Jisha, I always made sure there was a plentiful and PROMINENT supply,
near the student's cushion. Ah, the un-tra
Bill!,
Put down WHAT?
Pu tong hua?
Oh, an attractively veiled pointer urging me toward learning 'Common People's
Speech'; yes, I really must get on with it:
"Pu tong... pu tong HUA".
Xie-xie. Xie-xie ne!,
--Joe-Joe
> "Bill!" wrote:
>
> Joe,
>
> Just for you...
>
> A failure to launch?
>
Joe,
I've long since given up trying to coax Edgar to take the leap off the 100-ft
pole. He is clinging to it with a vise-like grip of rationality.
The only reason I continue to 'spar' with him is to prevent him from completely
blocking others from climbing the poll by smearing it with his sli
Edgar,
Hey, now I am starting to feel at HOME!
Just don't go on, Edgar, whatever you do. ;-)
--Joe
> Edgar Owen wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> What I'm saying is not found in any dictionary, nor is Zen...
>
> Edgar
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that y
RAF and Bill,
I need to explain to RAF here that Bill uses the term zen (uncapitalized) to
equate to realization or Buddha Nature which he and I and you agree existed
BEFORE Siddhartha Buddha. Note however that I use Zen (capitalized) to mean
this and I gather you do too.
But Bill uses Zen (c
Bill!,
Reads 'almost' like a koan case.
What, no "Verse"? I want my Monkey back!
Failing that, money will be a poor, poor substitute.
Kudos! I knew all along that the Sky was clear at your place.
--Joe
> "Bill!" wrote:
>
> RAF,
> One answer with a caveat and explanation, one question and o
RAF and Joe,
I've experimented around with electric power generation (solar and wind) and
still haven't found any that are more cost-effective, much less more efficient
and 'green', then the community grid.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" wrote:
>
> Edgar,
>
> Why, I'm delig
Joe,
Just for you...
A failure to launch?
It couldn't get any verse,
Put down putting down!
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" wrote:
>
> Bill!,
>
> "Thoroughly Modern Millie", our Bill!(!).
>
> And, awake in the moment without a screen of thoughts (or even if there are
> pa
Bill,
What I'm saying is not found in any dictionary, nor is Zen...
Edgar
On Nov 30, 2012, at 7:26 PM, Bill! wrote:
> Edgar,
>
> You are confusing the terms 'experience' with 'perception'. Look them up.
>
> ...Bill!
>
> --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen wrote:
> >
> > Bill,
> >
RAF,
One answer with a caveat and explanation, one question and one closing
multi-topic comment:
ANSWER: Zen did not exist before Siddhartha Buddha - at least to my
knowledge.CAVEAT: Buddha Nature existed before Siddhartha
Buddha.EXPLANATION:
* I use the term zen to describe a process which
Edgar,
Pass and Stow... Pass and Stow... how else would I know THAT?
Use some common sense. And a sprinkle of pixie dust, Cinnamon, and Sage.
"Here's lookin' at YOU, Kid".
--Joe
PS "Just", my ass.
> Edgar Owen wrote:
>
> Joe,
>
> Just when I thought you might be getting sane again you sta
Joe,
Just when I thought you might be getting sane again you start on "past lives"!
PLease tell me it's a joke?
Well let me be more specific. The psychological phenomenon called past lives
clearly exists. I've 'regressed' a number of people through their past lives
including myself on a number
Gang-sters,
Chao-Cho had a Dog,
Her name was "Beauty";
The Truth shone OUT of her;
She was a Cutie!
--Joe-Joe
> R A Fonda wrote:
>
> On 11/30/2012 8:03 AM, Edgar Owen wrote:
> > What's your water source?
[snip]
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book tha
Edgar,
You are confusing the terms 'experience' with 'perception'. Look them up.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> The world of forms is already AT your door. Everything you experience is some
> aspect of the world of forms. That's what experience is,
On 11/30/2012 8:03 AM, Edgar Owen wrote:
What's your water source?
A small stream whose watershed lies on NF land abutting our northern
boundary. I pick up the water in a roll-pipe somewhat more than 100
vertical feet above the house so we have pressurized-water. A bit of a
nuisance to keep th
RAF,
Right, a little more than I cared to (try to) handle.
An attraction to this work may have come from a previous life of mine, such as
when I helped make the Liberty Bell, in England: "Pass, & Stow".
But I searched myself and found that, yes, I COULD let bygones be bygones, by
golly.
I've
Chris,
You know, Chris, ALL our Zen teachers are iconoclastic. Well, they'd better
be. Just think about it... . No!, *don't*!
--Joe
> Chris Austin-Lane wrote:
>
> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Joe wrote:
>
> > Chris!... *I'LL* take your money... and donate it to my favorite
> > non-pr
He gave up his day job and is trying to support himself by writing and
travelling around visiting sanghas - it's not really that lucrative of a
position. I donate to his blog as I donate to other blogs from
professional writers that I enjoy because I like good writing and I don't
wish it to vanish
Chris,
His books were/(are?) very popular among the membership of the large sangha I
used to belong to in Tucson. They have a large lending-library and his books
got well-worn in no-time. I have never cracked one of them! Too modern. ;-)
You see, I have a lot to learn. Regarding skilful me
Chris,
Let that be your koan!
The sound is like the "hiss" Suresh reports on here.
There is also a note of regret, at times, about missed-opportunity.
But I also feel *relieved* about not having had to build-up such a foundry
facility, here, and about the real DANGER I missed by not working, a
On 11/30/2012 1:43 PM, Joe wrote:
The significance is the 10,000 Things, in One.
"The Ten Thousand things return to the One: what does the One return to?"
And the ringing of it or the striking of it would be its function in
the Zendo
I like the idea!
You are right though, about what a proj
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Joe wrote:
> Chris!... *I'LL* take your money... and donate it to my favorite
> non-profit...
I sent it to Brad Warner, him of the "Sit Down and Shut Up" books - a
stylistically iconoclastic but fully recognized teacher in the Soto school.
Thanks,
--Chris
c
RAF, Chris,
Things will all come out in the wash.
But as I like to say, "Just think of the effects that will have on the WATER!"
;.)
Chris!... *I'LL* take your money... and donate it to my favorite non-profit...
...Yours Truly!,
--Joe
PS Just better not send it to me... only kiddin', man.
So what is the sound of a planned but unmade bell ringing in the Zendo?
Thanks,
--Chris
ch...@austin-lane.net
+1-301-270-6524
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Joe wrote:
> RAF,
>
> A man after my own heart (no, not THAT kind of "after"). ;-)
>
> The bronze pennies (1982 and pre-) are worth
RAF,
A man after my own heart (no, not THAT kind of "after"). ;-)
The bronze pennies (1982 and pre-) are worth more than a red cent these days,
too, I gather. But I do not take that into account in the following
calculation.
I once wanted to begin a Sangha project of collecting 10,000 US Pen
Thanks,
--Chris
ch...@austin-lane.net
+1-301-270-6524
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 10:39 AM, R A Fonda wrote:
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>
> On 11/30/2012 12:53 PM, Chris Austin-Lane wrote:
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> I had no idea!
>
>
> About what?
>
That you are so captured by the idea of a "die-off" that you are
stock-piling.
>
> I'm sorry
On 11/30/2012 12:53 PM, Chris Austin-Lane wrote:
I had no idea!
About what?
I'm sorry -
About what?
I've sent you $50 (via PayPal) to help out.
I can't accept it. I would say 'thank you anyway', but the idea that you
would just suddenly send me $50 as an expression of your generosity a
Edgar, Bill!,
That's true in zazen, as you say.
It's in AWAKENING, however, where Zen begins, and where the formless is
actually experienced. This is the heart of zen and the central experience of
zen practice. You must carry the practice at least as far as this to have the
hope of the ghost
I had no idea! I'm sorry - I've sent you $50 (via PayPal) to help out.
Use it to buy dimes or to rid yourself of a very powerful meme - your call.
I do think having people be prepared for a variety of circumstances tends
to make our society more robust in general; that's why I appreciate the
pe
Edgar,
Why, I'm delighted that you might be looking for another solar system to live
in! ;-)
Sure, amateur radio operators could offer a lot of examples, either for sale
off-the-shelf, or from piecemeal integration of parts. My own system for Ham
comm's here is too idiosyncratic to recommend
Edgar,
I think that shows good sense.
What I must try to do is to modify my engine-lathe by concocting a
treadle-power attachment and drive-belt system, and fitting it to the lathe
pulley. QED (Quite Easily Done)! Meanwhile the collapse that's impending, I
might get some healthful exercise t
Bill!,
My sweet-ums says she's done with cycles, too. But we still ride our tandem
together. ;-)
--Joe
> "Bill!" wrote:
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> Edgar and RAF,
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> Why are you concerned with Hindu Cycles? Don't we have to get through the
> Aztec Calendar thingy first?
Bill!,
"Thoroughly Modern Millie", our Bill!(!).
And, awake in the moment without a screen of thoughts (or even if there are
passing thoughts, or momentarily fixed thoughts; you're skilled at what to do
with them).
Let me add my voice to those who say they don't call you "Smart" for nuttin'!
On 11/30/2012 7:48 AM, Edgar Owen wrote:
A silver dime should be no problem...
Yeah, dimes are the way to go. Spending silver ounces would involve
taking too much fiat-garbage in change, for most purchases. Also, the
circulated character of old dimes makes them self-authenticating,
whereas s
> Edgar and RAF,
>
> Why are you concerned with Hindu Cycles? Don't we have to get
through the Aztec Calendar thingy first?
Actually, Bill, I'm pretty sure it is the MAYAN calendar "thingy", but
what the heck, it is all just THIS! and THAT! anyway, right?
Now, there are several aspects to
Bill,
The world of forms is already AT your door. Everything you experience is some
aspect of the world of forms. That's what experience is, the world of forms.
It is impossible to directly experience the formless because it has no
characteristics whatsoever. In zazen one only experiences the
Edgar,
When it arrives at my door and I can see, hear, feel, taste and/or smell it I
will believe!
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen wrote:
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> Bill,
>
> I know you think the world of forms is illusion but when it arrives at your
> door that will change fast!
> :-)
>
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