Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS RAID10

2006-08-11 Thread Roch
RM: > I do not understand - why in some cases with smaller block writing > block twice could be actually faster than doing it once every time? > I definitely am missing something here... In addition to what Neil said, I want to add that when an application O_DSYNC write cover only parts o

Re: Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS RAID10

2006-08-11 Thread Roch
Robert Milkowski writes: > Hello Neil, > > Thursday, August 10, 2006, 7:02:58 PM, you wrote: > > NP> Robert Milkowski wrote: > >> Hello Matthew, > >> > >> Thursday, August 10, 2006, 6:55:41 PM, you wrote: > >> > >> MA> On Thu, Aug 10, 2006 at 06:50:45PM +0200, Robert Milkowski wrote:

[zfs-discuss] Re: Removing a device from a zfs pool

2006-08-11 Thread Louwtjie Burger
Hi there Are there any consideration given to this feature...? I would also agree that this will not only be a "testing" feature, but will find it's way into production. It would probably work on the same princaple of swap -a and swap -d ;) Just a little bit more complex. This message post

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS performance using slices vs. entire disk?

2006-08-11 Thread Roch
Darren: > > With all of the talk about performance problems due to > > ZFS doing a sync to force the drives to commit to data > > being on disk, how much of a benefit is this - especially > > for NFS? I would not call those things as problems, more like setting proper expectations. My unde

[zfs-discuss] user quotas vs filesystem quotas?

2006-08-11 Thread Jeff A. Earickson
Hi, I'm looking at moving two UFS quota-ed filesystems to ZFS under Solaris 10 release 6/06, and the quota issue is gnarly. One filesystem is user home directories and I'm aiming towards the "one zfs filesystem per user" model, attempting to use Casper Dik's auto_home script for on-the-fly zfs f

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Removing a device from a zfs pool

2006-08-11 Thread Matthew Ahrens
On Fri, Aug 11, 2006 at 02:47:19AM -0700, Louwtjie Burger wrote: > Are there any consideration given to this feature...? Yes, this is on our radar. We have some ideas about how to implement it, but it will probably be at least 6 months until it is ready. We have several higher-priority tasks to

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Lots of seeks?

2006-08-11 Thread Anton Rang
On Aug 9, 2006, at 8:18 AM, Roch wrote: So while I'm feeling optimistic :-) we really ought to be able to do this in two I/O operations. If we have, say, 500K of data to write (including all of the metadata), we should be able to allocate a contiguous 500K block on disk and

[zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS LVM and EVMS

2006-08-11 Thread Humberto Ramirez
Thanks for replying (I thought nobody would bother.) So, If understand correctly, I won't give up ANYTHING available in EVMS. LVM , Linux Raid -by going to ZFS and Raid -Z Right ? This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailin

[zfs-discuss] Proposal: zfs create -o

2006-08-11 Thread Eric Schrock
Following up on earlier mail, here's a proposal for create-time properties. As usual, any feedback or suggestions is welcome. For those curious about the implementation, this finds its way all the way down to the create callback, so that we can pick out true create-time properties (e.g. volblocks

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS LVM and EVMS

2006-08-11 Thread Eric Schrock
No, there are some features we haven't implemented, that may or may not be available in other RAID solutions. In particular: - ZFS storage pool cannot be 'shrunk', i.e. removing an entire toplevel device (mirror, RAID group, etc). Devices can be removed by attaching and detaching to existing

[zfs-discuss] Difficult to recursive-move ZFS filesystems to another server

2006-08-11 Thread Brad Plecs
Just wanted to point this out -- I have a large web tree that used to have UFS user quotas on it. I converted to ZFS using the model that each user has their own ZFS filesystem quota instead. I worked around some NFS/automounter issues, and it now seems to be working fine. Except now I ha

[zfs-discuss] Proposal expand raidz

2006-08-11 Thread homerun
Greetings Have used zfs raidz for while and question rised is it possible to expand raidz with additional disks. Got answer pool yes but raidz "group" no. So very high level idea for you , maybe already know. And i'm not detail level expert of zfs so here might be "trivial" things for you. So

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Lots of seeks?

2006-08-11 Thread Jonathan Adams
On Fri, Aug 11, 2006 at 11:04:06AM -0500, Anton Rang wrote: > >Once the data blocks are on disk we have the information > >necessary to update the indirect blocks iteratively up to > >the ueberblock. Those are the smaller I/Os; I guess that > >becauseof ditto blocks they go to phy

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Lots of seeks?

2006-08-11 Thread Anton Rang
On Aug 11, 2006, at 12:38 PM, Jonathan Adams wrote: The problem is that you don't know the actual *contents* of the parent block until *all* of its children have been written to their final locations. (This is because the block pointer's value depends on the final location) But I know whe

Re: [zfs-discuss] SPEC SFS97 benchmark of ZFS,UFS,VxFS

2006-08-11 Thread eric kustarz
Leon Koll wrote: On 8/11/06, eric kustarz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Leon Koll wrote: > <...> > >> So having 4 pools isn't a recommended config - i would destroy those 4 >> pools and just create 1 RAID-0 pool: >> #zpool create sfsrocks c4t00173801014Bd0 c4t00173801014Cd0 >> c4t00173

[zfs-discuss] Re: Proposal expand raidz

2006-08-11 Thread Brad Plecs
Just a data point -- our netapp filer actually creates additional raid groups that are added to the greater pool when you "add disks", much as zfs does now. They aren't simply used to expand the one large raid group of the volume.I've been meaning to rebuild the whole thing to get use of

Re: [zfs-discuss] Difficult to recursive-move ZFS filesystems to another server

2006-08-11 Thread Matthew Ahrens
On Fri, Aug 11, 2006 at 10:02:41AM -0700, Brad Plecs wrote: > There doesn't appear to be a way to move zfspool/www and its > decendants en masse to a new machine with those quotas intact. I have > to script the recreation of all of the descendant filesystems by hand. Yep, you need 6421959 want

[zfs-discuss] Looking for motherboard/chipset experience, again

2006-08-11 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
What about the Asus M2N-SLI Deluxe motherboard? It has 7 SATA ports, supports ECC memory, socket AM2, generally looks very attractive for my home storage server. Except that it, and the nvidia nForce 570-SLI it's built on, don't seem to be on the HCL. I'm hoping that's just "yet", not reported

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Proposal expand raidz

2006-08-11 Thread Darren Dunham
> Just a data point -- our netapp filer actually creates additional raid > groups that are added to the greater pool when you "add disks", much > as zfs does now. They aren't simply used to expand the one large raid > group of the volume. I've been meaning to rebuild the whole thing to > get use

[zfs-discuss] Importing a degraded storage pool.

2006-08-11 Thread Joe Stannard
Hey sorry if this is really basic, but I just started evaluating Solaris 10. Hated it at first but I'm sure that was just Windows withdrawal. The more I play the more I like. Just started with Solaris 10 for x86 and testing out ZFS for perhaps a home server. I have 4 SATA drives installed in m

[zfs-discuss] Question on Zones and memory usage (65120349)

2006-08-11 Thread Irma Garcia
Hi All, Sun Fire V440 Solaris 10 Solaris Resource Manager Customer wrote the following: I have a v490 with 4 zones: tsunami:/#->zoneadm list -iv ID NAME STATUS PATH 0 global running / 4 fmstage running /fmstage 12 fmprod running /fmprod 15 fmtest running /fmtest fmtest has a pool assigned to

Re: [zfs-discuss] SPEC SFS97 benchmark of ZFS,UFS,VxFS

2006-08-11 Thread Leon Koll
On 8/11/06, eric kustarz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Leon Koll wrote: > On 8/11/06, eric kustarz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Leon Koll wrote: >> >> > <...> >> > >> >> So having 4 pools isn't a recommended config - i would destroy >> those 4 >> >> pools and just create 1 RAID-0 pool: >> >> #zp

Re: [zfs-discuss] SPEC SFS97 benchmark of ZFS,UFS,VxFS

2006-08-11 Thread eric kustarz
After I saw that ZFS performance (when the box isn't stuck) is about 3 times lower than UFS/VxFS, I understood I should wait with ZFS for Solaris 11official release. I don't believe that it's possible to do some magic with my setup and increase the ZFS performance 3 times. Fix me if I'm wrong.

[zfs-discuss] Re: Proposal expand raidz

2006-08-11 Thread Anton B. Rang
That's the default, I think, but you can use 'vol add -g' to add disks to an existing RAID group. This is fairly new functionality (V6.2 I think). ZFS will probably not take so long to add this feature. :-) This message posted from opensolaris.org _

Re: [zfs-discuss] Looking for motherboard/chipset experience, again

2006-08-11 Thread Richard Elling - PAE
This is a great question for the Solaris forum at NVidia. http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=45 My experience has been that NVidia does a pretty good job keeping the NForce software compatible with the hardware going forward. For Solaris, pre-NForce4 is a little spotty, but that

Re: [zfs-discuss] Question on Zones and memory usage (65120349)

2006-08-11 Thread Jeff Victor
Irma Garcia wrote: Hi All, Sun Fire V440 Solaris 10 Solaris Resource Manager Customer wrote the following: I have a v490 with 4 zones: tsunami:/#->zoneadm list -iv ID NAME STATUS PATH 0 global running / 4 fmstage running /fmstage 12 fmprod running /fmprod 15 fmtest running /fmtest fmtest has

Re: [zfs-discuss] user quotas vs filesystem quotas?

2006-08-11 Thread Frank Cusack
On August 11, 2006 10:31:50 AM -0400 "Jeff A. Earickson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Suggestions please? Ideally you'd be able to move to mailboxes in $HOME instead of /var/mail. -frank ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://

[zfs-discuss] Unreliable ZFS backups or....

2006-08-11 Thread Peter Looyenga
I looked into backing up ZFS and quite honostly I can't say I am convinced about its usefullness here when compared to the traditional ufsdump/restore. While snapshots are nice they can never substitute offline backups. And although you can keep quite some snapshots lying about it will consume

Re: [zfs-discuss] Question on Zones and memory usage (65120349)

2006-08-11 Thread Jeff Victor
Follow-up: it looks to me like prstat displays the portion of the system's physical memory in use by the processes in that zone. How much memory does that system have? Something seems amiss, as a V490 can hold up to 32GB, and prstat is showing 163GB of physical memory just for fmtest. Irma

Re: [zfs-discuss] Unreliable ZFS backups or....

2006-08-11 Thread Frank Cusack
On August 11, 2006 5:25:11 PM -0700 Peter Looyenga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I looked into backing up ZFS and quite honostly I can't say I am convinced about its usefullness here when compared to the traditional ufsdump/restore. While snapshots are nice they can never substitute offline backup

Re: [zfs-discuss] Question on Zones and memory usage (65120349)

2006-08-11 Thread Mike Gerdts
On 8/11/06, Irma Garcia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ZONEID NPROC SIZE RSS MEMORY TIME CPU ZONE 15 188 169G 163G 100% 0:46:00 48% fmtest 0 54 708M 175M 0.1% 2:23:40 0.1% global 12 27 112M 51M 0.0% 0:02:48 0.0% fmprod 4 27 281M 66M 0.0% 0:14:13 0.0% fmstage Questions? Does the 100% memory usage on

Re: [zfs-discuss] Looking for motherboard/chipset experience, again

2006-08-11 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
On 8/11/06, Richard Elling - PAE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This is a great question for the Solaris forum at NVidia. http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=45 Thanks, I have asked there. My experience has been that NVidia does a pretty good job keeping the NForce software compati