Re: [zfs-discuss] Is it possible to create a ZPool on SVM volumes ?

2007-06-12 Thread James C. McPherson
dudekula mastan wrote: Is it possible to create a ZPool on SVM volumes ? What are the limitations for this ? Not as far as I am aware. libdiskmgmt gets in the way - it protects you. on a solaris machine, how many number of zpools we can create ? Is there any limitation on number of zpools per

[zfs-discuss] Is it possible to create a ZPool on SVM volumes ?

2007-06-12 Thread dudekula mastan
Hi All, Is it possible to create a ZPool on SVM volumes ? What are the limitations for this ? on a solaris machine, how many number of zpools we can create ? Is there any limitation on number of zpools per system ? -Mastahn - Choose the

[zfs-discuss] drive displayed multiple times

2007-06-12 Thread Tim Cook
So I just imported an old zpool onto this new system. The problem would be one drive (c4d0) is showing up twice. First it's displayed as ONLINE, then it's displayed as "UNAVAIL". This is obviously causing a problem as the zpool now thinks it's in a degraded state, even though all drives are t

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Mac OS X "Leopard" to use ZFS

2007-06-12 Thread Mark J Musante
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007, Rick Mann wrote: > ZFS Readonly implemntation is loaded! Is that a copy-n-paste error, or is that typo in the actual output? Regards, markm ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailm

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Stopping a resilver?

2007-06-12 Thread Toby Thain
On 12-Jun-07, at 6:50 PM, John wrote: Ok.. never mind... the resilver says it completed... kind of odd... My hunch is that, unlike a scrub, say, it's not something you'd ordinarily want to stop? --Toby This message posted from opensolaris.org __

[zfs-discuss] Re: Stopping a resilver?

2007-06-12 Thread John
Ok.. never mind... the resilver says it completed... kind of odd... This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

[zfs-discuss] Re: data gone?

2007-06-12 Thread Peter Baughman
I thought of a few options today, I was hoping someone could tell me what my odds are of success. 1) That third disk had a copy of all my data on it before I added it to the zpool. I'm thinking r-studio should be able to recover most of the stuff on there. I'll lose a little bit of data, but

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS Apple WWDC Keynote Absence

2007-06-12 Thread Claus Guttesen
Perhaps Jonathan Schwartz really didn't want ZFS in OS X - Solaris competition - and he knew that if he did pre-announce ZFS in OS X that Steve Jobs would drop it just to get back at him. Maybe this was intentionally done by Schwartz to keep ZFS out of a competing OS. Just a thought. Whatever

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS Apple WWDC Keynote Absence

2007-06-12 Thread Toby Thain
On 12-Jun-07, at 4:38 PM, Sunstar Dude wrote: Perhaps Jonathan Schwartz really didn't want ZFS in OS X - Solaris competition - and he knew that if he did pre-announce ZFS in OS X that Steve Jobs would drop it just to get back at him. Maybe this was intentionally done by Schwartz to keep ZF

[zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS Apple WWDC Keynote Absence

2007-06-12 Thread Sunstar Dude
Perhaps Jonathan Schwartz really didn't want ZFS in OS X - Solaris competition - and he knew that if he did pre-announce ZFS in OS X that Steve Jobs would drop it just to get back at him. Maybe this was intentionally done by Schwartz to keep ZFS out of a competing OS. Just a thought. Whatever t

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS Apple WWDC Keynote Absence

2007-06-12 Thread Frank Cusack
On June 12, 2007 12:08:05 PM -0700 Deron Hull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: My guess is that Jonathan's WWDC pre-announcement last week is was probably why there's no ZFS in the WWDC beta. I'm sure the discs were made long before Jonathan's statement. -frank ___

[zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS Apple WWDC Keynote Absence

2007-06-12 Thread Deron Hull
My guess is that Jonathan's WWDC pre-announcement last week is was probably why there's no ZFS in the WWDC beta. Anybody remember what happend to ATI when they did that? It wasn't good. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss maili

[zfs-discuss] Stopping a resilver?

2007-06-12 Thread John
The other day I posted about how I did a "replace" that I really should not have done. I was advised to do a "detach", which worked fine! Thanks for that!! Today I rebooted the system and i find the zpool is doing a resilver: pool: z_tsmsun1_raidpool state: ONLINE status: One or more devices

Re: [zfs-discuss] data gone?

2007-06-12 Thread Peter Schuller
> I tried to add a third disk to the raidz array > The third disk didn't get added to the raidz array, it was added to the pool, > but 'parallel' to the raidz This is because it is not currently possible to add disks to a raidz/raidz2. Adding storage is typically done by adding an additional raid

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS Apple WWDC Keynote Absence

2007-06-12 Thread George
I agree wholeheartedly. This ZFS is a must for desktop, small business and enterprise. I've been hanging out in #zfs and reading quite a bit over the last couple weeks and I will never trust my data again unless I have ZFS in place. I look to transfer this to my clients' setups as well somehow

[zfs-discuss] Re: Mac OS X "Leopard" to use ZFS

2007-06-12 Thread Rick Mann
Since the copy I have I did not get through normal channels, I don't have WWDC access to the dev site, so I don't know if it's there or not. However, my friend looked, and couldn't find it, either. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-di

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS Apple WWDC Keynote Absence

2007-06-12 Thread Toby Thain
On 12-Jun-07, at 1:54 PM, Erblichs wrote: Group, Isn't Apple strength really in the non-compute intensive personal computer / small business environment? IE, Plug and play. Thus, even though ZFS is able to work as the default FS, should it be the defaul

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS Apple WWDC Keynote Absence

2007-06-12 Thread Francois Dion
On Tue, 2007-06-12 at 09:54 -0700, Erblichs wrote: > Group, > > Isn't Apple strength really in the non-compute intensive > personal computer / small business environment? > IE, Plug and play. Warning, real case to follow, not a what if scenario: Over the past 10 years, I've be

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS Apple WWDC Keynote Absence

2007-06-12 Thread Erblichs
Group, Isn't Apple strength really in the non-compute intensive personal computer / small business environment? IE, Plug and play. Thus, even though ZFS is able to work as the default FS, should it be the default FS for the small system environment

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: Re: ZFS Boot manual setup in b65

2007-06-12 Thread Lin Ling
Douglas Atique wrote: Right. But can I generate them automatically somehow on the next boot? I have followed the instructions that loop-mount / and tar the contents of devices and dev and untar them to the root pool. I just want to know if there is an alternative way to do it. For example, wh

[zfs-discuss] zfs issue with beta 6/07 release

2007-06-12 Thread J. Beer
Has anybody seen this with the beta version of the next release of Solaris 10? If you run any zfs command as a non-root user, even zfs list, you get this error message: internal error: failed to initialize ZFS library As a root user, you get what you are supposed to. I used ldd to make sure all

Re: [zfs-discuss] NFS and Tar/Star Performance

2007-06-12 Thread Neil . Perrin
eric kustarz wrote: Over NFS to non-ZFS drive - tar xfvj linux-2.6.21.tar.bz2 real5m0.211s,user0m45.330s,sys 0m50.118s star xfv linux-2.6.21.tar.bz2 real3m26.053s,user0m43.069s,sys 0m33.726s star -no-fsync -x -v -f linux-2.6.21.ta

Re: [zfs-discuss] NFS and Tar/Star Performance

2007-06-12 Thread eric kustarz
On Jun 12, 2007, at 12:57 AM, Roch - PAE wrote: Hi Seigfried, just making sure you had seen this: http://blogs.sun.com/roch/entry/nfs_and_zfs_a_fine You have very fast NFS to non-ZFS runs. That seems only possible if the hosting OS did not sync the data when NFS required it or the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS Apple WWDC Keynote Absence

2007-06-12 Thread Rich Teer
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007, Robert Smicinski wrote: > Apple's strength is the desktop, Sun's is the datacenter. Agreed, to a large extent. > There's no need to have ZFS on the desktop, just as there's no need > to have HFS+ in the datacenter. I strongly disagree with the first clause of that sentence.

Re: [zfs-discuss] NFS and Tar/Star Performance

2007-06-12 Thread eric kustarz
Over NFS to non-ZFS drive - tar xfvj linux-2.6.21.tar.bz2 real5m0.211s, user0m45.330s, sys 0m50.118s star xfv linux-2.6.21.tar.bz2 real3m26.053s, user0m43.069s, sys 0m33.726s star -no-fsync -x -v -f linux-2.6.21.tar.bz2 real

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS Apple WWDC Keynote Absence

2007-06-12 Thread Robert Smicinski
Apple's strength is the desktop, Sun's is the datacenter. There's no need to have ZFS on the desktop, just as there's no need to have HFS+ in the datacenter. There is a need to improve ZFS in the datacenter, however, and I wish Sun had invested their time in getting dynamic LUN expansion going in

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS Apple WWDC Keynote Absence

2007-06-12 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC
On Jun 12, 2007, at 9:37 AM, Andy Lubel wrote: Yeah this is pretty sad, we had such plans for actually using our apple (PPC) hardware in our datacenter for something other than AFP and web serving. It also shows how limited apples vision seems to be. I think you are jumping to conclusions

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS Apple WWDC Keynote Absence

2007-06-12 Thread Andy Lubel
Yeah this is pretty sad, we had such plans for actually using our apple (PPC) hardware in our datacenter for something other than AFP and web serving. It also shows how limited apples vision seems to be. For 2 CEO's not to be on the same page demonstrates that there is something else going on rat

[zfs-discuss] Re: Mac OS X "Leopard" to use ZFS

2007-06-12 Thread Sunstar Dude
Well, that sounds promising. But I just went to http://developer.apple.com , searched for ZFS, and got 0 results found. jetforme, have you tried to locate the ZFS kext and install it? Any success? This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-dis

Fwd: [zfs-discuss] Re: Mac OS X "Leopard" to use ZFS

2007-06-12 Thread George
Wow, alright... I'm wondering if there are still some "top secret" items up Apple's sleeve. Someone just told me yesterday that Microsoft had some tricks coming and that Apple not having a more refulgent keynote was likely due to this. Ie, they want Microsoft to tip their hand first prior to an

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS Apple WWDC Keynote Absence

2007-06-12 Thread Rob Logan
we know time machine requires an extra disk (local or remote) so its reasonable to guess the non bootable "time machine disk" could use zfs. someone with a Leopard dvd (Rick Mann) could answer this... ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolari

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS Apple WWDC Keynote Absence

2007-06-12 Thread Toby Thain
On 12-Jun-07, at 9:23 AM, Sunstar Dude wrote: Yea, What is the deal with this? ... Can anyone explain the absence of ZFS in Leopard??? I signed up for this forum just to post this. Steve giveth and Steve taketh away. --Toby This message posted from opensolaris.org _

[zfs-discuss] Re: Re: Re: ZFS Boot manual setup in b65

2007-06-12 Thread Douglas Atique
> > Hi Doug, > > I need more information: > You need /devices and /dev on zfs root to boot. Right. But can I generate them automatically somehow on the next boot? I have followed the instructions that loop-mount / and tar the contents of devices and dev and untar them to the root pool. I just w

[zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS Apple WWDC Keynote Absence

2007-06-12 Thread Sunstar Dude
Yea, What is the deal with this? I am so bummed :( What the heck was Sun's CEO talking about the other day? And why the heck did Apple not include at least non-default ZFS support in Leopard? If no ZFS in Leapard, then what is all the Apple-induced-hype about? A trapezoidal Dock table? A transpa

Re: [zfs-discuss] Apple WWDC and ZFS

2007-06-12 Thread John Malone
http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=199903281 "An Apple official on Monday said Sun Microsystems' open-source file system would not be in the next version of the Mac operating system, contradicting statements made last week by Sun's chief executive." John Graham

[zfs-discuss] Apple WWDC and ZFS

2007-06-12 Thread Graham Perrin
On 12 Jun 2007, at 03:28, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wondering if anyone at WWDC has poked around the kexts, etc. for ZFS. It seemed oddly missing today at the keynote in light of last week's announcement. Is it too early to announce it due to some functions that are still being added and thus Ap

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: zfs reports small st_size for directories?

2007-06-12 Thread Casper . Dik
>I believe we should rather educate other people that st_size/24 is a bad >"solution". That's all well and good but fixing all clients, including potentially really old ones, might not be feasible. Being correct doesn't help our customers. Casper

Re: [zfs-discuss] NFS and Tar/Star Performance

2007-06-12 Thread Roch - PAE
Hi Seigfried, just making sure you had seen this: http://blogs.sun.com/roch/entry/nfs_and_zfs_a_fine You have very fast NFS to non-ZFS runs. That seems only possible if the hosting OS did not sync the data when NFS required it or the drive in question had some fast write caches. If