Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Thumper Origins Q

2007-02-02 Thread Torrey McMahon
Dale Ghent wrote: Yeah sure it "might" eat into STK profits, but one will still have to go there for redundant controllers. Repeat after me: There is no STK. There is only Sun. 8-) ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://m

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Thumper Origins Q

2007-01-31 Thread Selim Daoud
btw, I liked your blog entry about Lun Masking http://elektronkind.org/ selim. On 1/31/07, Dale Ghent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Jan 31, 2007, at 4:26 AM, Selim Daoud wrote: > you can still do some lun masking at the HBA level (Solaris 10) > this feature is call "blacklist" Oh, I'd do that

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Thumper Origins Q

2007-01-31 Thread Dale Ghent
On Jan 31, 2007, at 4:26 AM, Selim Daoud wrote: you can still do some lun masking at the HBA level (Solaris 10) this feature is call "blacklist" Oh, I'd do that but Solaris isn't the only OS that uses arrays on my SAN, and other hosts even cross-departmental. Thus masking from the array is

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Thumper Origins Q

2007-01-31 Thread Selim Daoud
you can still do some lun masking at the HBA level (Solaris 10) this feature is call "blacklist" On 1/31/07, Dale Ghent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Jan 24, 2007, at 1:19 PM, Frank Cusack wrote: >> On Wed, Jan 24, 2007 at 09:46:11AM -0800, Moazam Raja wrote: >> >> Note that the 3511 is being r

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Thumper Origins Q

2007-01-31 Thread Dale Ghent
On Jan 24, 2007, at 1:19 PM, Frank Cusack wrote: On Wed, Jan 24, 2007 at 09:46:11AM -0800, Moazam Raja wrote: Note that the 3511 is being replaced with the 6140: Which is MUCH nicer but also much pricier. Also, no non-RAID option. The 6140 is nicer in terms of performance. However if you

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Thumper Origins Q

2007-01-25 Thread Jonathan Edwards
On Jan 25, 2007, at 17:30, Albert Chin wrote: On Thu, Jan 25, 2007 at 02:24:47PM -0600, Al Hopper wrote: On Thu, 25 Jan 2007, Bill Sommerfeld wrote: On Thu, 2007-01-25 at 10:16 -0500, Torrey McMahon wrote: So there's no way to treat a 6140 as JBOD? If you wanted to use a 6140 with ZFS, an

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Thumper Origins Q

2007-01-25 Thread Albert Chin
On Thu, Jan 25, 2007 at 02:24:47PM -0600, Al Hopper wrote: > On Thu, 25 Jan 2007, Bill Sommerfeld wrote: > > > On Thu, 2007-01-25 at 10:16 -0500, Torrey McMahon wrote: > > > > > > So there's no way to treat a 6140 as JBOD? If you wanted to use a 6140 > > > > with ZFS, and really wanted JBOD, your

Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] Re: Thumper Origins Q

2007-01-25 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Jonathan, Thursday, January 25, 2007, 9:03:47 PM, you wrote: JE> On Jan 25, 2007, at 14:34, Bill Sommerfeld wrote: >> On Thu, 2007-01-25 at 10:16 -0500, Torrey McMahon wrote: >> So there's no way to treat a 6140 as JBOD? If you wanted to use a 6140 with ZFS, and really wan

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Thumper Origins Q

2007-01-25 Thread Al Hopper
On Thu, 25 Jan 2007, Bill Sommerfeld wrote: > On Thu, 2007-01-25 at 10:16 -0500, Torrey McMahon wrote: > > > > So there's no way to treat a 6140 as JBOD? If you wanted to use a 6140 > > > with ZFS, and really wanted JBOD, your only choice would be a RAID 0 > > > config on the 6140? > > > > Why wou

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Thumper Origins Q

2007-01-25 Thread Jonathan Edwards
On Jan 25, 2007, at 14:34, Bill Sommerfeld wrote: On Thu, 2007-01-25 at 10:16 -0500, Torrey McMahon wrote: So there's no way to treat a 6140 as JBOD? If you wanted to use a 6140 with ZFS, and really wanted JBOD, your only choice would be a RAID 0 config on the 6140? Why would you want to

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Thumper Origins Q

2007-01-25 Thread Bill Sommerfeld
On Thu, 2007-01-25 at 10:16 -0500, Torrey McMahon wrote: > > So there's no way to treat a 6140 as JBOD? If you wanted to use a 6140 > > with ZFS, and really wanted JBOD, your only choice would be a RAID 0 > > config on the 6140? > > Why would you want to treat a 6140 like a JBOD? (See the previou

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Thumper Origins Q

2007-01-25 Thread Frank Cusack
On January 25, 2007 11:22:41 AM -0500 Jonathan Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Jan 25, 2007, at 10:16, Torrey McMahon wrote: Albert Chin wrote: So there's no way to treat a 6140 as JBOD? If you wanted to use a 6140 with ZFS, and really wanted JBOD, your only choice would be a RAID 0 con

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Thumper Origins Q

2007-01-25 Thread Albert Chin
On Thu, Jan 25, 2007 at 10:16:47AM -0500, Torrey McMahon wrote: > Albert Chin wrote: > >On Wed, Jan 24, 2007 at 10:19:29AM -0800, Frank Cusack wrote: > > > >>On January 24, 2007 10:04:04 AM -0800 Bryan Cantrill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>wrote: > >> > >>>On Wed, Jan 24, 2007 at 09:46:11AM -0800

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Thumper Origins Q

2007-01-25 Thread Jonathan Edwards
On Jan 25, 2007, at 10:16, Torrey McMahon wrote: Albert Chin wrote: On Wed, Jan 24, 2007 at 10:19:29AM -0800, Frank Cusack wrote: On January 24, 2007 10:04:04 AM -0800 Bryan Cantrill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wed, Jan 24, 2007 at 09:46:11AM -0800, Moazam Raja wrote: Well, he did sa

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Thumper Origins Q

2007-01-25 Thread Torrey McMahon
Albert Chin wrote: On Wed, Jan 24, 2007 at 10:19:29AM -0800, Frank Cusack wrote: On January 24, 2007 10:04:04 AM -0800 Bryan Cantrill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wed, Jan 24, 2007 at 09:46:11AM -0800, Moazam Raja wrote: Well, he did say fairly cheap. the ST 3511 is about $18.5

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Thumper Origins Q

2007-01-25 Thread Albert Chin
On Wed, Jan 24, 2007 at 10:19:29AM -0800, Frank Cusack wrote: > On January 24, 2007 10:04:04 AM -0800 Bryan Cantrill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > >On Wed, Jan 24, 2007 at 09:46:11AM -0800, Moazam Raja wrote: > >>Well, he did say fairly cheap. the ST 3511 is about $18.5k. That's > >>about the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Thumper Origins Q

2007-01-24 Thread Shannon Roddy
Ben Gollmer wrote: > On Jan 24, 2007, at 12:37 PM, Shannon Roddy wrote: > >> I went with a third party FC/SATA unit which has been flawless as >> a direct attach for my ZFS JBOD system. Paid about $0.70/GB. > > What did you use, if you don't mind my asking? > Arena Janus 6641. Turns out I und

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Thumper Origins Q

2007-01-24 Thread Ben Gollmer
On Jan 24, 2007, at 12:37 PM, Shannon Roddy wrote: I went with a third party FC/SATA unit which has been flawless as a direct attach for my ZFS JBOD system. Paid about $0.70/GB. What did you use, if you don't mind my asking? -- Ben PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Thumper Origins Q

2007-01-24 Thread Rich Teer
On Wed, 24 Jan 2007, Shannon Roddy wrote: > Sun is missing out on lots of lower end storage, but perhaps that is by > design. I am a small shop by many standards, but I would have spent > tens of thousands over the last few years with Sun if they had > reasonably priced storage.I just need a

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Thumper Origins Q

2007-01-24 Thread Shannon Roddy
Frank Cusack wrote: > On January 24, 2007 9:40:41 AM -0800 Richard Elling > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Peter Eriksson wrote: >>> Yes please. Now give me a fairly cheap (but still quality) FC-attached >>> JBOD utilizing SATA/SAS disks and I'll be really happy! :-) >> >> ... with write cache and

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Thumper Origins Q

2007-01-24 Thread Ed Plese
On Wed, Jan 24, 2007 at 01:25:26PM -0500, Angelo Rajadurai wrote: > If your company can qualify as a start-up (4 year old or less with less > than 150 employees) you may want to look at the Sun Startup essentials > program. It provides Sun hardware at big discounts for startups. > > http://www.sun

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Thumper Origins Q

2007-01-24 Thread Jason J. W. Williams
'Cept the 3511 is highway robbery for what you get. ;-) Best Regards, Jason On 1/24/07, Richard Elling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Peter Eriksson wrote: >> too much of our future roadmap, suffice it to say that one should expect >> much, much more from Sun in this vein: innovative software and i

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Thumper Origins Q

2007-01-24 Thread Angelo Rajadurai
On 24 Jan 2007, at 13:04, Bryan Cantrill wrote: On Wed, Jan 24, 2007 at 09:46:11AM -0800, Moazam Raja wrote: Well, he did say fairly cheap. the ST 3511 is about $18.5k. That's about the same price for the low-end NetApp FAS250 unit. Note that the 3511 is being replaced with the 6140: htt

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Thumper Origins Q

2007-01-24 Thread Frank Cusack
On January 24, 2007 10:02:52 AM -0800 Rich Teer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dunno about FC or iSCSI, but what I'd really like to see is a 1U direct attach 8-drive SAS JBOD, as described (back in May 2006!) here: http://richteer.blogspot.com/2006/05/sun-storage-product-i-would-like-to.h

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Thumper Origins Q

2007-01-24 Thread Frank Cusack
On January 24, 2007 9:40:41 AM -0800 Richard Elling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Peter Eriksson wrote: Yes please. Now give me a fairly cheap (but still quality) FC-attached JBOD utilizing SATA/SAS disks and I'll be really happy! :-) ... with write cache and dual redundant controllers? I think

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Thumper Origins Q

2007-01-24 Thread Joe Little
On 1/24/07, Jonathan Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Jan 24, 2007, at 09:25, Peter Eriksson wrote: >> too much of our future roadmap, suffice it to say that one should >> expect >> much, much more from Sun in this vein: innovative software and >> innovative >> hardware working together to

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Thumper Origins Q

2007-01-24 Thread Rich Teer
On Wed, 24 Jan 2007, Jonathan Edwards wrote: > > Yes please. Now give me a fairly cheap (but still quality) FC-attached JBOD > > utilizing SATA/SAS disks and I'll be really happy! :-) > > Could you outline why FC attached instead of network attached (iSCSI say) > makes more sense to you? It migh

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Thumper Origins Q

2007-01-24 Thread Bryan Cantrill
On Wed, Jan 24, 2007 at 09:46:11AM -0800, Moazam Raja wrote: > Well, he did say fairly cheap. the ST 3511 is about $18.5k. That's > about the same price for the low-end NetApp FAS250 unit. Note that the 3511 is being replaced with the 6140: http://www.sun.com/storagetek/disk_systems/midrange

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Thumper Origins Q

2007-01-24 Thread Moazam Raja
Well, he did say fairly cheap. the ST 3511 is about $18.5k. That's about the same price for the low-end NetApp FAS250 unit. -Moazam On Jan 24, 2007, at 9:40 AM, Richard Elling wrote: Peter Eriksson wrote: too much of our future roadmap, suffice it to say that one should expect much, much m

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Thumper Origins Q

2007-01-24 Thread Richard Elling
Peter Eriksson wrote: too much of our future roadmap, suffice it to say that one should expect much, much more from Sun in this vein: innovative software and innovative hardware working together to deliver world-beating systems with undeniable economics. Yes please. Now give me a fairly cheap (

[zfs-discuss] Re: Thumper Origins Q

2007-01-24 Thread Tim Cook
I think this will be a hard sell internally given that it would eat up their own storagetek line. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discu

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Thumper Origins Q

2007-01-24 Thread Jonathan Edwards
On Jan 24, 2007, at 09:25, Peter Eriksson wrote: too much of our future roadmap, suffice it to say that one should expect much, much more from Sun in this vein: innovative software and innovative hardware working together to deliver world-beating systems with undeniable economics. Yes p

[zfs-discuss] Re: Thumper Origins Q

2007-01-24 Thread Peter Eriksson
> too much of our future roadmap, suffice it to say that one should expect > much, much more from Sun in this vein: innovative software and innovative > hardware working together to deliver world-beating systems with undeniable > economics. Yes please. Now give me a fairly cheap (but still quality