RE: [ZION] High Priests More Active Than Elders

At 11:29 PM 10/23/02, Stephen Beecroft wrote: I do agree with at least one thing you've said: High priests are far more likely to be active than elders. Physically? ;-) --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last.

Re: [ZION] Voting and Parties

At 08:36 PM, Wednesday, 10/23/02, Gary Smith wrote: One more thing. We need to put term limits on all Congress. One term for Senate, two for House. Then we wouldn't have people fighting to keep themselves forever in office, and it would reduce the amount of voter bribes. New Senators and Congressm

Re: [ZION] High Priests More Active Than Elders

>I have heard that half of all elders are inactive. But that fewer than 5 >percent of high priests are inactive. Can anyone here confirm or deny >this? Sounds about right. Keep in mind though that this also includes the perspective elders who never got ordained. Gee wizz. Now I feel like

Re: [ZION] James' Ossuary

At 09:17 PM, Wednesday, 10/23/02, Marc A. Schindler wrote: I'm happy for the world of biblical archaeology, don't get me wrong, and perhaps ironically for someone who's probably perceived as being pro-science, I at least know science's place and certainly its weaknesses. It says nothing about Je

Re: [ZION] James' Ossuary

At 09:00 PM, Wednesday, 10/23/02, Gary Smith wrote: It fits. So there is a high possibility of this being authentic and in the right timeframe. But imagine having the bones of James! No bones, just the box. The bones are long gone. --JWR //

RE: [ZION] High Priests More Active Than Elders

-John- > I have heard that half of all elders are inactive. But that > fewer than 5 percent of high priests are inactive. Can anyone > here confirm or deny this? I can't confirm or deny Church-wide, of course, but around here that's not the case. 50% is approximately right for the elders, proba

[ZION] High Priests More Active Than Elders

At 03:08 PM, Wednesday, 10/23/02, Larry Jackson wrote: And while I'm here, I would also add that high priest is not a higher office in the Melchizedek Priesthood, just a different office, with specialized (and temporary) responsibilities. I have heard that half of all elders are inactive. But t

Re: [ZION] Hindsight

At 10:48 PM, Wednesday, 10/23/02, Cousin Bill wrote: Not I, said Cousin Bill. Nor will I ever vote for a Bush. I did vote for the first Bush. That was when I was young and foolish and didn't know better. I have noticed that on some of the websites run by people with politics similar to my ow

RE: [ZION] High Priest

-Larry- > Keys, where needed, are given to the person set apart for > a calling. He only holds those keys until he is released. How about that? That's directly opposite to what a bishop told me years back. Thanks for the clarification. Stephen //

RE: [ZION] High Priest

Stephen Beecroft: If a man who has previously served as elder's quorum president, then been released, is again called to serve, he does not need to have the keys given him. ___ Keys, where needed, are given to the person set apart for a calling. He only holds those keys until he

[ZION] Sniper Victims

Marc: Maybe a little ;-)I've pasted articles below on each victim. val > Hmm. Maybe I've got my wires crossed. The one I'm thinking of worked > at the time > of her death at the FBI (which doesn't say what she did earlier), > and she had red > hair. Does that fit in? > > Valerie Nielsen W

Re: [ZION] High Priests have money

>I think that Paul is being deliberately provocative in order to stir up a >discussion. I coached him while he was here. > >It works pretty good, doesn't it Paul? Yep. Your s right John. I like to be provocative and stir things up. It's fun, but I would feel bad if I hurt someones feeling

Re: [ZION] High Priests have money

At 09:43 PM, Wednesday, 10/23/02, Gary Smith wrote: There is nothing prestigious to these callings. There is some recognition, but in all reality, the pay isn't that great. Most would prefer to make it to heaven without the experience of being an apostle or stake president, but the humble ones acc

Re: [ZION] High Priests have money

At 08:48 PM, Wednesday, 10/23/02, Gary Smith wrote: I would say that most apostles will have money. There are exceptions, though fewer and fewer as the Church grows. Even today, many of our apostles are not wealthy, but are comfortable. In my family "comfortable" is a euphemism for wealthy. --J

Re: [ZION] High Priests have money

I agree with everything you are saying Gary but I'm not thinking that all the GA's were born with silver spoons. I know they worked hard and got educated and have fine jobs that pay quite well. That is the nature of the man who gets the call. I am merely pointing out how the Lord does business and

Re: [ZION] High Priests have money

At 12:03 PM, Wednesday, 10/23/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will we ever see a janitor, a manual laborer, a machinist, a farmer, a rancher, as an apostle? To test this out - what are the current or former occupations of the apostles? Its interesting that a carpenter ended up saving mankind. ---

Re: [ZION] High Priests have money

>What is your definition of "money"? Is it $40,000? $50,000? $100,000? >$1,000,000? My definition of money is when you have it in the bank and you don't owe anyone anything except perhaps the mortgage. >Most school administrators I know make about $50K. So if that is your >definition of "m

Re: [ZION] High Priests have money

At 08:47 AM, Wednesday, 10/23/02, Paul Osborne wrote: I was referring to Stake President and up. They have money and prestige. There are plenty of talented yet poor High Priests who never get the call because they don't have money. Money is a prerequisite to those callings. I hope that it doesn't

Re: [ZION] UN Moral Authority

I already responded. But I'll respond again. I don't believe the UN is the moral authority of the world, so why on earth would I want to defend that position? I took this as a deliberately provocative, rhetorical question on the part of whoever originally wrote it, like asking when someone's going

Re: [ZION] James' Ossuary

Gary Smith wrote: > Actually, it IS ".05 percent." That means it is less than one percent > chance of happening. I agree that it could have been stated clearer. > But he meant 1 in 20, which is 5%. I agree that's not clear from the context, but when you read the AP and other wire service repor

Re: [ZION] Alma and High Priests

At 09:06 PM 10/23/2002, you wrote: According to the Old Testament, the House of Israel is supposed to be a nation of priests. I assume that is still true. The lesser priesthood is called the Aaronic or Levitical priesthood. The higher priesthood from which all other priesthoods are mere appe

RE: [ZION] High Priest

At 02:55 AM, Thursday, 10/24/02, Stephen Beecroft wrote: I mentioned before that there were two definitions of the term "high priest". To be more accurate, there are at least three definitions of "high priest" that refer to a holder of the true Priesthood: 1. The lead, or head, or "high", priest

Re: [ZION] High Priest

>Hopefully, these will help to show the importance of the future >ordination of all of us brethren as high priests and kings unto God the >Father. Ok. I'm convinced. I look forward to my ordination someday. :-) Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] __

Re: [ZION] High Priests have money

Gary Smith wrote: > You make it sound like these jobs were handed to them on a silver > platter. Not so. They all started at the bottom, with no silver spoon in > the mouth. Any money the GAs have, they earned it. Any education they > received was from hard work. > > Do you think any of them had

Re: [ZION] High Priests

At 11:41 PM, Tuesday, 10/22/02, Gary Smith wrote: It is partially an issue of maturity/age: placing those who have not had a line authority position requiring HP status, into the HP quorum/group, in order to strengthen the individual and also to strengthen the quorum. Yes but that is not what th

[ZION] Alma and High Priests

According to the Old Testament, the House of Israel is supposed to be a nation of priests. I assume that is still true. The lesser priesthood is called the Aaronic or Levitical priesthood. The higher priesthood from which all other priesthoods are mere appendages is called the Melchizedek pr

Re: [ZION] Definition of "liberal"

At 08:25 PM 10/23/2002, you wrote: Unfortunately, it is what Liberal now means in the US. It used to be that liberal was one that sought to help the underdog with smart assistance from government, while ensuring the freedoms of the average joe. But the term "liberal" has been co-opted by fringe g

Re: [ZION] DC sniper

Hmm. Maybe I've got my wires crossed. The one I'm thinking of worked at the time of her death at the FBI (which doesn't say what she did earlier), and she had red hair. Does that fit in? Valerie Nielsen Williams wrote: > I didn't know this, but I do know that when the woman vaccuuming her van > w

RE: [ZION] Figure the Odds

-John- > Figure the odds. Only a dozen or so have been killed out of > population of over 14,000,000. You chance of being killed is > about the same as a meteorite landing on your head. Well...not really. I believe there is only one known case of a meteor striking a person -- and she survived.

Re: [ZION] James' Ossuary

>It fits. So there is a high possibility of this being authentic and in >the right timeframe. But imagine having the bones of James! I think the only way you're going to get the bones of James is if you tug on his LIVING limbs. If you do that Gary I'm sure he'll smack you. ha ha ha ha Pau

RE: [ZION] High Priests have money

Paul Osborne: ... to become a GA? The unwritten rule is that he has to have money and resources. He almost always has a prestigious job and a fine education. That is what the Lord is looking for. If you don't have those benefits you can't be called to be a GA, let alone a SP. ___

RE: [ZION] High Priest

-Gary- > I give Stephen the point that I can't find a specific scripture > showing one will eventually be ordained a high priest in heaven. > However, i still hold to that point. However, I do have some > quotes below. Without scriptural backing, that's merely a speculative opinion with no founda

Re: [ZION] Voting and Parties

At 07:36 PM 10/23/2002, you wrote: IMO, I agree with President George Washington in his Farewell Address, that we should shun political parties. All they have done is divide the nation along a single line without as much as a care for actual platform. Too many people vote for a party, simply becau

[ZION] Figure the Odds

At 05:18 PM, Wednesday, 10/23/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you all think about the DC sniper? Anyone have any theories on it? I'm not sure what to think except that I'm just sick about it. My parents and one of my sisters live in the area...I grew up there...I'm just a WEE bit worried.

Re: [ZION] High Priests have money

Val wrote: >I must wholly disagree here. Our former stake president is only >high school educated and a construction worker. He was my Bishop when I >was a little girl, and back then he was managing a health spa. In fact, >we had no font in the building, so I was baptized in the pool at the spa.

[ZION] High Priests have money

You make it sound like these jobs were handed to them on a silver platter. Not so. They all started at the bottom, with no silver spoon in the mouth. Any money the GAs have, they earned it. Any education they received was from hard work. Do you think any of them had been wishing and hoping to bec

[ZION] Definition of "liberal"

Unfortunately, it is what Liberal now means in the US. It used to be that liberal was one that sought to help the underdog with smart assistance from government, while ensuring the freedoms of the average joe. But the term "liberal" has been co-opted by fringe groups in the US. Gore is a perfect

[ZION] High Priests have money

Paul, What is your definition of "money"? Is it $40,000? $50,000? $100,000? $1,000,000? Most school administrators I know make about $50K. So if that is your definition of "money", then you are right, most stake presidents AND High Priests have money. By the time they get to that age, they hav

[ZION] Voting and Parties

IMO, I agree with President George Washington in his Farewell Address, that we should shun political parties. All they have done is divide the nation along a single line without as much as a care for actual platform. Too many people vote for a party, simply because their parents did. Very few vote

[ZION] High Priest

I give Stephen the point that I can't find a specific scripture showing one will eventually be ordained a high priest in heaven. However, i still hold to that point. However, I do have some quotes below. BTW, it isn't just a "modern office." Melchizedek was a high priest. Christ was ordained a hig

[ZION] High Priest

I agree that the office of High Priest is not necessary in this life. I've never said that. I've only said that it is necessary to be a god. When we are set apart to be "kings and priests" the term "priest" means "high priest". There is very strong symbolism in it. See my other email on this with

[ZION] James' Ossuary

Actually, it IS ".05 percent." That means it is less than one percent chance of happening. I agree that it could have been stated clearer. As for the provenance, yes it is a shame that there is none for this artifact. However, there are things they can verify. For example, they can compare the wr

[ZION] Good Democrat

I have thought that if several millions of righteous people were to become Democrats, we could change its platform radically, returning it back to its more conservative roots of the 1950s. I'd love to see it back away from its liberal raunch, and back to being a party of character (rather than a pa

[ZION] Hindsight

I voted for this Bush, but not because he really excited me. I would really have preferred Steve Forbes. I voted for Bush because he was better than the alternatives. Better imo than Gore or Harry Brown (Libertarian). Now, had Neil Boortz been running, I would have voted Libertarian. ;-) I'm mov

[ZION] High Priests have money

I would say that most apostles will have money. There are exceptions, though fewer and fewer as the Church grows. Even today, many of our apostles are not wealthy, but are comfortable. President Monson has almost always worked in the Church, so basically lives on a stipend given him, plus revenues

[ZION] UN Moral Authority

Marc, I'd love to hear your response to the following: "When did the United Nations become the supreme moral authority of the world? One might advance such a proposition if most of the organization were represented by democratic governments, but that is not the case. Of the 191 nations in the Uni

Re: [ZION] DC sniper

I didn't know this, but I do know that when the woman vaccuuming her van was killed, the news said she was a "former nanny, married and a recent convert to the Mormon Church." val On Wed, 23 Oct 2002 19:40:03 -0600 "Marc A. Schindler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > By the way, did you know that th

Re: [ZION] High Priests have money

On Wed, 23 Oct 2002 18:09:51 -0500 Paul Osborne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Did I say that a man had to be wealthy to become a GA? The unwritten > rule > is that he has to have money and resources. He almost always has a > prestigious job and a fine education. That is what the Lord is > loo

Re: [ZION] liberal question

Thanks for the reminder! It was hard to know how to respond to that well-meaning response without breaking the list's charter. It's all a word game, I think we know that. It depends on how you define words. Paul Osborne wrote: > > The liberal philosphy tending towards pro-abortion, pro-gay, > pr

Re: [ZION] United Nations

Cousin Bill wrote: > The following article makes an argument against the United Nations that, > thought I had never heard before, makes perfect sense, and leads me to > wonder why I had never heard it before. (I'm also slightly embarrassed that > I had never thought of it before.) > > United Na

Re: [ZION] DC sniper

By the way, did you know that the FBI employee, the woman at the Home Depot store, was LDS? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > What do you all think about the DC sniper? Anyone have any theories on it? > I'm not sure what to think except that I'm just sick about it. My parents > and one of my sisters l

Re: [ZION] And a little on the lighter side...

They're all being stored in Iraqi presidential palaces -- that's why the government won't release the report. Cousin Bill wrote: > Clinton aide slams Pentagon's UFO secrecy > By Richard Stenger > CNN > Tuesday, October 22, 2002 Posted: 3:09 PM EDT (1909 GMT) > <

Re: [ZION] Is This Authentic?

>Here is a story in the New York Times reporting a discovery published in >Biblical Archaeology Review. Unless it is a fraud, it may be the earliest >reference to Jesus found so far. It is a stone box inscribed with the >words, "James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus." > >What do you think? P

Re: [ZION] DC sniper

>What do I do? > >Heidi the fair Don't worry. They will catch him soon. A lot of people are watching and those who know the sniper may catch on that something is wrong and report it. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno Pl

[ZION] And a little on the lighter side...

Clinton aide slams Pentagon's UFO secrecy By Richard Stenger CNN Tuesday, October 22, 2002 Posted: 3:09 PM EDT (1909 GMT) <> "[A] former White House chief of staff and an international investigative journalist want to know what the P

Re: [ZION] High Priests have money

>Will we ever see a janitor, a manual laborer, a machinist, a farmer, a rancher, as an >apostle? A janitor, a manual laborer, and a machinist are not qualified to become apostles but a rich rancher and a rich farmer could be considered. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___

Re: [ZION] liberal question

> The liberal philosphy tending towards pro-abortion, pro-gay, pro-pornography, the free-drug/booze/sex culture. This would be so anti-LDS's philososphy, that in all conscienceness that the straight-laced LDS would even attempt to go to the temple. > > >This is not what liberal means to me at all.

Re: [ZION] Tweaking Liechtensteiners

Oooyyy! Mark or Bonnie (or even Heidi) -- didn't you tell him about Tim Horton's? That poor boy. (Gary, not Tim) [If you're ever in trouble on the highway, head for the closest Tim Horton's -- you'll always find cops there...] Gary Smith wrote: > So, you are judging a small patch of Europe

Re: [ZION] High Priests have money

>Here are some of the former occupations of all the current apostles. Neither President >Hinckley nor President Packer could have become wealthy from their employment, so >Paul's theory fails in those cases (granted, they may have made money from their >books, investments, consulting fees, etc.).

Re: [ZION] Stop stuffing Marc, or something to that effect....

I posted a definition of an ideologue here a short time ago. Here it is again from Oxford's: 1. a system of ideas or way of thinking, usu. relating to politics or society, or to the conduct of a class or group, and REGARDED AS JUSTIFYING ACTIONS, EXP. ONE THAT IS HELD IMPLICITLY OR ADOPTED AS A WH

Re: [ZION] High Priests have money -- not

Actually in the 3rd world a larger than proportional share of line authority callings go to Church/CES employees. And, as I loved to tease Grant Johnson (I think that's his name -- the Book of Mormon Answerman who infuriated many LDS by saying that only those soldiers who fought for the Allies in

[ZION] United Nations

The following article makes an argument against the United Nations that, thought I had never heard before, makes perfect sense, and leads me to wonder why I had never heard it before. (I'm also slightly embarrassed that I had never thought of it before.) United Nations James Humes Wednesday, Oct.

Re: [ZION] DC sniper

I am glad that your mother listened and then harkened to that prompting she received. The best we can do in a situation like this is to pray for our families, the victims and their families, and especially for the sniper (or snipers) - that they may come to their senses and realize the horrible cri

Re: [ZION] High Priests have money

Gee...it seems to me that President Hinckley worked for his entire professional life for the Church Missionary Department (or some such like that). I'm pretty sure that one doesn't get rich working for the Church. I'm also sure that these brethren have been faithful in paying 100% tithing, which

[ZION] DC sniper

What do you all think about the DC sniper? Anyone have any theories on it? I'm not sure what to think except that I'm just sick about it. My parents and one of my sisters live in the area...I grew up there...I'm just a WEE bit worried. On the other hand, I know about eternal families and that if

[ZION] Famous Zionisto

The quality's not so good because it was scanned without descreening from a newspaper, but if anyone's curious what Tom Matkin looks like download http://www.geocities.com/marcschindler1/matkin.JPG (it's from the Temple City News, and it's the news article about him being called as the new stake p

Re: Voting and parties (was Re: [ZION] Cuba and Castro)

Mark Gregson wrote: > > > If one defines a good Democrat as being someone who works > > within the party to bring about a better platform, select better leaders and > > elect better office holders (those that would agree with church teachings), > > then it would be possible to be a good Mormon a

Re: [ZION] Tweaking Canada

Okeley dokely, but can I pass on a good pun first? I forgot to include this in the original post. Jon Spencer wrote: > Marc - > I congratulate you on an excellent self-analysis, and I do mean this as a > compliment. > > Now, repent! :-) > > Jon > > Marc A. Schindler wrote: > > I think it's time

Re: [ZION] Tweaking Liechtensteiners

It was Prince Edward Island. Before the Confederation Link* was built. All he could see was seafood but the service was lousy. *a big bridge that connects PEI to New Brunswick, built about 5-10 years ago. It rises up high enough and is reinforced to allow it to resist icebergs, believe it or not.

Re: [ZION] High Priests have money

Mark Gregson wrote: > > > To test this out - what are the current or former occupations of the apostles? > > Here are some of the former occupations of all the current apostles. Neither >President Hinckley nor President Packer could have become wealthy from their >employment, so Paul's theory

Re: [ZION] liberal question

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Gary, > > Opinions being what they are; being a liberal (whether a Democrat in the U.S., or >perhaps a member of the Labour party in England), it is incompatible with being "a >straight-laced LDS". > Well, as I think I've already mentioned, there is a Labour MP who'

Re: [ZION] High Priests have money

> To test this out - what are the current or former occupations of the apostles? Here are some of the former occupations of all the current apostles. Neither President Hinckley nor President Packer could have become wealthy from their employment, so Paul's theory fails in those cases (gran

RE: [ZION] High Priests have money -- not

Paul Osborne: >I can assure you that money is not a requirement in order to >be called as a stake president. I followed it for years in the Church News and have clearly seen that the money guys get the callings. I can't deny those facts. ... It's one of those unwritten rules. ;-) ___

Re: [ZION] Jimmy Carter - Nobel winner

Your general point is a fair one, but the problem is we don't really have enough knowledge here. Yes, North Korea deliberately lied and misled. I'm sure Jimmy Carter's not surprised, he's not that stupid. But the fact is that after he went there, a crisis was defused. Whether someone else could hav

Re: [ZION] I just hate it

What he said! Thanks, Gary. You have made a distinction that I've been trying to make, but have done it more elegantly: a mistake is not necessarily a sin. Gary Smith wrote: > Hopefully Marc and Stephen can remember to be Christians first, and right > second. > -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove,

Re: [ZION] Wars of preparation

Marc: You're no fun. I was trying to yank your chain. Dan: Sorry, I was coming down with the flu, and dealing with that misnomer known as "Quality Assurance" Now I'm trying to wade through all of my messages... Dan R Allen wrote: > Marc: > Dan, I think I already know the answer to this (I'm n

Re: [ZION] High Priests

FWIW, this is also my reading of references to "high priests" in *most* scriptures (I won't make a univeral claim because of course the D&C, especially in 84 but elsewhere, too, makes a distinction between different offices of the MP). IOW, it's a reference to the Melchizedek Priesthood in general.

Re: [ZION] High Priests have money

Will we ever see a janitor, a manual laborer, a machinist, a farmer, a rancher, as an apostle? To test this out - what are the current or former occupations of the apostles? Its interesting that a carpenter ended up saving mankind. Vic --- Paul Osborne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>Don't con

Re: [ZION] High Priests have money

>My former stake president was a public school teacher and later an >administrator and my current stake president is in a similar income >bracket. Both of them are most likely below the 50th percentile with >regard to income within the stake boundaries. > >How can you justify statements like that,

Re: [ZION] High Priests have money -- not

>I can assure you that money is not a requirement in order to >be called as a stake president. I followed it for years in the Church News and have clearly seen that the money guys get the callings. I can't deny those facts. The guys who get called in third world countries are the merchants and t

Re: Voting and parties (was Re: [ZION] Cuba and Castro)

>Bill brings up an interesting point. Is it a good idea to work within a party in order to >change it? Presumably the answer is yes. What if the party currently supports every >charter violating thing in existence? Just where does one draw the line? Well, we have to realize that this is a fre

Re: [ZION] Hindsight

>Not I, said Cousin Bill. Nor will I ever vote for a Bush. I did vote for >the first Bush. That was when I was young and foolish and didn't know >better. > >Cousin Bill Hey, you just called me a fool. (don't worry, I'm sure I am) I voted for Reagan the first time and I was only 18. I voted fo

Re: Voting and parties (was Re: [ZION] Cuba and Castro)

Cousin Bill >If one defines a good Democrat as being someone who works >within the party to bring about a better platform, select better leaders and >elect better office holders (those that would agree with church teachings), >then it would be possible to be a good Mormon and a good Democrat. Sou

[ZION] James's ossuary

I wrote a letter to the editor of the Globe and Mail expressing concerns about the difficulty provenance of this find presents to authenticating it. I also gave Hershel Shanks a backhanded compliment. They chose instead to publish a better, more focused letter, and one from a genuine expert, as opp

[ZION] Tweaking Canada

Toronto has become a centre of telemarketing scams aimed at USAmericans: <<http://www.globeandmail.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/PEstory/TGAM/20021023/UVISAN/national/national/nationalTheNationHeadline_temp/27/27/41/>> -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway t

[ZION] Canadian 1881 Census now on-line

>From this morning's Globe, of all places, the news that StatsCan has allowed the Family History Library to put the 1881 census online. Very good article. <<http://www.globeandmail.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/PEstory/TGAM/20021023/UCENSN/national/national/nationalTheNationHeadline

[ZION] Is This Authentic?

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/22/science/22JESU.html?ex=1036036800&en=53be1b8ad1e35dda&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE Here is a story in the New York Times reporting a discovery published in Biblical Archaeology Review. Unless it is a fraud, it may be the earliest reference to Jesus found so far. It

RE: [ZION] High Priests have money

> -Original Message- > From: Paul Osborne [mailto:osborne1962@;juno.com] > > Right. And your "ALSO" points out that the money is required > in order to get those high callings of Stake President and > up. Thank you for making my point, Gary. My former stake president was a public school

RE: [ZION] High Priests have money

-Paul- > The Lord will not call a poor man to be an apostle. Poor people > are just not good enough for the job. You have to have money. If I remember correctly, Elder Packer spent his professional life in the CES, a job practically guaranteed to keep you dressed in rags. Stephen //

RE: [ZION] High Priests have money -- not

Paul Osborne (replying to someone else): Right. And your "ALSO" points out that the money is required in order to get those high callings of Stake President and up. ___ I can assure you that money is not a requirement in order to be called as a stake president. I can further assu

Re: Voting and parties (was Re: [ZION] Cuba and Castro)

At some point in the past, Mark wrote: > Bill brings up an interesting point. Is it a good idea to work within a party in order to change it? Presumably the answer is yes. What if the party currently supports every charter violating thing in existence? Just where does one draw the line? --

Re: Voting and parties (was Re: [ZION] Cuba and Castro)

> If one defines a good Democrat as being someone who works > within the party to bring about a better platform, select better leaders and > elect better office holders (those that would agree with church teachings), > then it would be possible to be a good Mormon and a good Democrat. Thanks

Re: [ZION] Hindsight

At some point in the past, Jon wrote: > Well, I voted for Bush and I will again next time. -- As did many other people that I know and love. I won't hold it (your voting for Bush) against you if you won't hold (the other) it (my not voting for Bush -- and no, I didn't vote for Go

Re: [ZION] liberal question

Gary, Opinions being what they are; being a liberal (whether a Democrat in the U.S., or perhaps a member of the Labour party in England), it is incompatible with being "a straight-laced LDS". The liberal philosphy tending towards pro-abortion, pro-gay, pro-pornography, the free-drug/booze/sex

Re: [ZION] Hindsight

Well, I voted for Bush and I will again next time. Jon - Original Message - From: "Cousin Bill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [ZION] Hindsight > At some point in the past, Paul asked: > > So, who all on this list > > v

Re: [ZION] High Priests have money

Phew! Now at least I don't have to worry about dealing with THAT calling! Jon > The Lord will not call a poor man to be an apostle. Poor people are just > not good enough for the job. You have to have money. / /// ZION

Re: [ZION] High Priests have money

>Don't condemn the brethren simply because it seems the Lord (or the >people) picks a lot of wealthy people. He does it because they ALSO have >shown other great gifts of service, wisdom, and faithfulness. Right. And your "ALSO" points out that the money is required in order to get those high ca

Re: [ZION] Jimmy Carter - Nobel winner

Gary Smith wrote: > The reality is, the proof is in the pudding. Arg! I have heard so many people say this lately, and it is just plain wrong! It doesn't mean anything! I have it on EXPERT advice that the proper saying is "The proof of the pudding is in the eating." This DOES make sense. Thi

Re: [ZION] Hindsight

At some point in the past, Paul asked: So, who all on this list > voted for Bush? - Not I, said Cousin Bill. Nor will I ever vote for a Bush. I did vote for the first Bush. That was when I was young and foolish and didn't know better. Cousin Bill //

Re: [ZION] High Priests have money

I was referring to Stake President and up. They have money and prestige. There are plenty of talented yet poor High Priests who never get the call because they don't have money. Money is a prerequisite to those callings. I hope that it doesn't sound like I am faulting the Lord. I'm simply pointing

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