Dear all, I have always been told to keep my topics on anisotropy (yes, conductivity is a tensor, not a scalar), or on ZTEM inversions, or on whatever the case might be, on a one-to-one discussion, but US constitutional rights seems to be a more interesting topic for the broader and international geophysical community.
Regards On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 7:01 PM Michael Asten via SEGMIN < [email protected]> wrote: > Colleagues, > This discussion shows plenty of diversity, but somewhat lacking in > inclusivity. > We can forget the US constitution - irrelevant to an international > society. But remember that free speech also implies the right to say "I am > offended by what you say". Most of us will have made a blooper at some > point in our international perambulations where we have crossed some > boundary unintentionally (and to be clear, unintentionally is what happened > here). But when an offended party points out a problem in civil language, > as has been done here, best to accept that honest statement and the reasons > behind it. And similarly for an apology. > > We still have 11/12 of the new year left - may it be a better one than > last year for all of us. > > cheers, > Michael Asten > > > On Mon, 1 Feb 2021 at 13:41, Dennis Woods via SEGMIN < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> All >> >> I am not sure what everyone else thinks about this latest discussion on >> SEGMIN, but I for one find it totally off centre to what the SEGMIN list >> server is supposed to be about. What was that now? I don't know. Could >> it be ... geophysics? And in particular, mining and mineral exploration >> geophysics. I happen to look forward to SEGMIN postings, and learn what >> other folk's opinions are on various geophysical topics that are of concern >> to me. >> >> People responding to SEGMIN posts have to realize and understand that >> "reply" to a SEGMIN post means reply to everyone in the world who is >> subscribed to SEGMIN. Think about it for a second. Do you really want >> every mineral exploration geophysicist in the world to read what you are >> about to say? Or are you only prompted to respond directly to the postee? >> If the later, then send your response just to that person. Don't get the >> rest of us involved in a discussion that is better left to other social >> media sites. >> >> Realize that "reply" on a list server is the same as "reply to all". >> >> I like hearing from other mineral exploration geophysicists from around >> the world on SEGMIN, on topics of geophysics. (I am growing to like >> international Zoom meetings even more!). We are in noble profession. >> Particularly as the world evolves to an environmentally cleaner solution to >> global energy demands. Because technological and scientific answers to >> global problems inevitably requires resources to fuel those answers. And >> those resources, which always have to be mined economically, are always >> harder to find. >> >> We mineral exploration geophysicists will always be on the forefront of >> the quest to find resources. Certainly nothing will happen without >> geologist to understand earth processes, and geochemists to put it in >> context. But geophysics, and remote detection of mineral resources in the >> ground, by inference or whatever, through the science of physics, is going >> to play a huge part in our future. >> >> Let us us mining and mineral exploration geophysicists on SEGMIN, tackle >> the issues of our science, and leave the social commentary to other media. >> >> Best to all, >> >> Dennis Woods >> >> >> >> At 04:50 PM 31/01/2021, Glenn Wilson via SEGMIN wrote: >> >> No offense, but that is a pretty weak apology. Citing your rights under >> the US Constitution is professionally irrelevant as the SEGMIN mailing list >> is international. >> >> Glenn >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jan 31, 2021, at 6:37 PM, Ken Witherly via SEGMIN < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> Thanks Bob. >> >> I felt I had used a powerful image with respect but regret if >> nevertheless, certain individuals felt aggrieved by the use of this >> imagery; this was not the intent. >> >> As Bob also mentions, the American constitution provides us with rights >> of freedom of expression which is one of the most important rights I hold >> as an American citizen. >> >> Best/Ken >> >> >> *From:* SEGMIN <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Robert >> Ellis via SEGMIN >> *Sent:* Sunday, January 31, 2021 5:26 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Cc:* Robert Ellis <[email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [SEGMIN] [External] Final Cut >> >> I doubt that Ken meant to offend anyone. I will defend Ken having know >> him for about 40 years and have never seen a slight indication of >> disrespect for various cultural backgrounds. We are fortunate to live in a >> country of free speech (for the moment) and everyone from diverse >> backgrounds need to just lighten up and get a grip. If you are a citizen of >> the US you are an American. If your not an American please respect our free >> speech while your here. I'm from Texas and pride of my heritage counters >> all intended and unintentional jokes about Texans, of which there are many >> and undoubtedly there now will be more! Bring them on babies. >> >> Robert Ellis >> Ellis Geophysical Consulting Inc. >> 9528 Xanthos Lane >> Reno, Nevada 89521 USA >> Skype: BobEllisEGC >> If email returned try: [email protected] >> >> >> On Sunday, January 31, 2021, 04:12:37 PM PST, Yaoguo Li via SEGMIN < >> [email protected] > wrote: >> >> Ken, >> >> Just to follow up on our email exchange, and to provide a context for my >> previous email: >> >> My reaction has nothing to do with culture or background. It has to do >> with basic human respect. I don't think you would use an image of a group >> of gulag prisoners of Soviet era, or a Rwanda genocide scene, for such a >> "fun" posting, so I wonder why you would use this image in such a way? >> >> These are not your proverbial "sacred cows" as you refer to them. What >> an insult, although I am sure you didn't mean it! You are not pushing the >> boundaries, nor are you questioning the status quo. You are using an image >> without the slightest understanding of, or care for, its context. >> >> Instead of dismissing someone as being from a different culture, wouldn't >> pushing one's boundaries include putting some effort in understanding the >> different cultures and a bit of historical context of things one chooses to >> use? >> >> Sincerely, >> Yaoguo Li >> >> > On Jan 31, 2021, at 4:16 PM, Yaoguo Li <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > Ken, >> > >> > I may appreciate your light hearted approach, but your attempted >> humorous use of this image is of poor taste at best and utterly >> disrespectful on the other end of the spectrum. I suppose some thinking >> just doesn't change! >> > >> > Sincerely, >> > Yaoguo Li >> > >> >> On Jan 31, 2021, at 4:06 PM, Ken Witherly via SEGMIN < >> [email protected] > wrote: >> >> >> >> Dear Colleagues >> >> >> >> I was confronted with three contractors, who for a variety of reasons, >> did not make the deadline. 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