Hi guys! :) i really think for home users and anykey level of admins still prefer more straight databases then Postgres (like MongoDB) and that because there so many versions of Postgres (YugabyteDB, TimescaleDB, Tantor, Postgres Pro and there ALOT) also as i see NoSQL DB with ACID like Xodus or MongoDB (even YouTrackDB nosql+graf show better and pretty easy to adopt https://github.com/prosgarz35/youtrackdb-app) better fit for mail server specifics. Postgres is surely good, but i personally after try Cassandra i like it more (mb i rly like java tools?) and its shame there no way i can use it on standalone server because of ACID (i try to hard test it and no corruption but still...). So i feel like something like Jpa-App but new...cause current Jpa-App can be pretty easy corrupt by oom killer, sigkill etc. Youtrackdb seems promising by the way - i adopt all into this Database (even mail spooler) and it show about 400 msg/sec, full ACID, online hot backups (full and incr) with sync on blobs in filesystem. Tell me you thoughts about it please.
пн, 5 окт. 2026 г. в 18:34, Benoit TELLIER via server-dev < [email protected]>: > Hello > > jpa-app neing deprecated -> +1 > > About xodus: I see the point but I am reluctant to add yet another family > of storage dependency as part of the james project. > > I'd consider the PG dependency light enough to not be a concern even to > self hosters. > > I'd recommend concentrating our efforts only to one backend instead of > dispersing our efforts. > > -- > > > Best regards, > > Benoit TELLIER > > General manager of Linagora VIETNAM. > Product owner for Twake-Mail product. > Chairman of the Apache James project. > > Mail: [email protected] > Tel: (0033) 6 77 26 04 58 (WhatsApp, Signal) > > > > Le oct. 5, 2026 9:26 AM, de Ilya Terskov <[email protected]>i think > its not worth it only bacause in future if james bump java to 25+ > there no way for xodus still be working :c sorry to wasting you time... but > i still try youtrackdb github.com/JetBrains/youtrackdb - database > which used now instead of xodus. > > пн, 5 окт. 2026 г. в 12:24, Ilya Terskov <[email protected]>: > > > Thanks Rene! > > > > here is PR POC > > > > github.com/apache/james-project/pull/3231 > > > > пн, 5 окт. 2026 г. в 09:25, Rene Cordier <[email protected]>: > > > >> Hi Ilya, > >> > >> I personally don't know Xodus at all. > >> > >> I would say if you can propose a POC that separates well Xodus implem > >> into its own modules without impacting much the rest of the code it's > >> maybe ok having a look and discussing around it. > >> > >> The more we add components support to James the moire we need time and > >> energy to keep maintaining everything though keep in mind. > >> > >> Rene. > >> > >> On 10/4/26 22:25, Ilya Terskov wrote: > >> > Hi there once again. > >> > > >> > I am little update build. I know its will adds complexity if added to > >> > master but i think its good option vs jpa-app which now mostly > >> deprecated > >> > and not more main point of development. I am personaly want hard test > it > >> > and support as i can. > >> > For now in my repo its uses in memory spooler (because activemq -> > >> artemis > >> > transition time) also for simplicity i make metadata and blob in > >> database > >> > but xodus support and control meta in database and blob in filesystem > - > >> and > >> > with backup it sync both places and guarantee persistent - its killer > >> > feature dont it? > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > >> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > >> > >> >
